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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.13 14:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Miss Moonwych
When exactly will the meeting take place (server time)? And when do you expect to be able to give us an initial briefing about how it went?
The meeting is Sunday 1600 GMT. We have no idea when you will hear about the result of it. It's up to CCP really.
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Plundaar
Gallente
Golden Orb Technology inc
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Posted - 2008.12.13 16:32:00 -
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Can we get a transcript of the questions and statements they are allowed to give us answers on?
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Miss Moonwych
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Posted - 2008.12.14 09:00:00 -
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Here is a very simple question to ask CCP:
- When was the bug introduced?
The answer to that question will tell us a lot already about the scope of the exploitation and it shouldn't reveal any information about the exploit itself or the about the identity of the cheaters.
Regards,
M.M.
PS. Notice that CCP in their official statement hasn't addressed this crucial issue yet. They have said somebody petitioned a few days ago, but the availability/presence of the exploit/bug is not mentioned. People therefore get the impression this exploit is just a few days old. However if they didn't know about the bug then it was propably there from the beginning.
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BlondieBC
Ardent Industrial
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.14 09:18:00 -
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Did CCP go back a month or so ago and check the POS's, to make sure they caught most of the exploiters? There are lots of rumors that someone was tipped off.
Will CCP take back the capitals and supercapitals built with these iskies? The amounts are so large, we know where the money went.
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eliminator2
Gallente
Young Enterprise
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI
--/signed & fully supported.
One question to the OP: Does this topic actually belong here in the Assembly Hall?
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Question to CCP: What does CCP plan to do about the economic backlash this has created?
Question to CCP: Obviously, alliances and whatnot have benefited from this exploit. What does CCP plan to do about the outposts, super-capitals, and POS's that have been funded by this exploit? How will the alliances be handled?
Question to CCP: How was this exploit not discovered sooner?
hes pretty much asked my Questions :D 4 years for CCP to figure it out is it me or does this indicate A. CCP do not care about exploits that are petitioned unill its to late B. CCP just do not rad petitions untill 4 years later C. CCP are just stupid?
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Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
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Posted - 2008.12.14 11:36:00 -
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1) How far is it possible to carry out an audit/investigation into the banned characters' ledgers to try to determine what the isk obtained from selling the free materials, was used for?
2) How far will such an audit/investigation actually be carried out?
That is to say, if the isk was passed on to confederates of the characters who actually used the exploit, can/will that be traced, along with any stuff (including T2BPOs, which I understand CCP take pains to keep track of?) that was purchased with it?
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eliminator2
Gallente
Young Enterprise
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 12:17:00 -
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all i wann no is
how does CCP think this will infulance the market atm it is steady and everyone is enjoying it the T2 mods/ships are at a nice price for sellers and buyers but the best named lasers are hell >_< anyway, after what they havedone with removing the exploit the market will either increase in price because a lack of mods/ships are built there for less people will buy stuff there for people will leave because everything is to expensive to keep going, or they will decrease because well no reason really but all depends on what CCP will do so which way do CCP think that the market will headin a increase which makes people leave or a decrease because well i dnt no :p ?
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.12.14 12:51:00 -
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Quote:
Question to CCP: What does CCP plan to do about the economic backlash this has created?
TBH, this incident has created a short-term market instability with lots of speculation going on, but in the long term there isn't anything that can cause a lot of damage.
I don't really think there is any reason for CCP to bail out the EVE economy. It'll correct itself, especially now alchemy puts a ceiling on reaction prices.
T2 prices may go up a bit (most likely in the 10-20% range), but that is not actually a bad thing. I would in fact welcome higher T2 prices. Not because I produce them or their components, but because it'll mean:
a. More T1 named items will be used (ie. more variety)
b. More tears when people lose T2 ships/stuff
c. More satisfaction in killing T2 ships
d. More pride in flying T2
e. More profit for pirates (I'm not one btw.)
In short, higher T2 prices will insert more variety and emotions into EVE, both of which are to the benefit of the game.
So the sensible thing to do is to give the EVE market a few months to find a new equilibrium, and THEN decide whether there is any need for intervention.
Doing so now would be based on panic, not on facts (as nobody know exactly what will happen).
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Vicious Merquise
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Posted - 2008.12.14 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Quote:
Question to CCP: What does CCP plan to do about the economic backlash this has created?
TBH, this incident has created a short-term market instability with lots of speculation going on, but in the long term there isn't anything that can cause a lot of damage.
I don't really think there is any reason for CCP to bail out the EVE economy. It'll correct itself, especially now alchemy puts a ceiling on reaction prices.
T2 prices may go up a bit (most likely in the 10-20% range), but that is not actually a bad thing. I would in fact welcome higher T2 prices. Not because I produce them or their components, but because it'll mean:
a. More T1 named items will be used (ie. more variety)
b. More tears when people lose T2 ships/stuff
c. More satisfaction in killing T2 ships
d. More pride in flying T2
e. More profit for pirates (I'm not one btw.)
In short, higher T2 prices will insert more variety and emotions into EVE, both of which are to the benefit of the game.
So the sensible thing to do is to give the EVE market a few months to find a new equilibrium, and THEN decide whether there is any need for intervention.
Doing so now would be based on panic, not on facts (as nobody know exactly what will happen).
Indeed it well.  I also would like to note that over the period of time of this argument that has commenced as it is inevitable to prevent from this strange situation in a social group. CCP hurts no one they never intend too. I'm not hurt, what does that tell you? Your only hurting your self over this ridiculous argument over CCPs decision and less we not forget who is the final judge if not the jury made in their attempts to making eve a better world. :) There's and ours alike we share like carebears :P This must be a case where player empowerment takes over there heads. lol Silly Players 
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Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.14 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrrel on 14/12/2008 19:26:27
Aside from the current questions posted about the duration, knock-on effects and why it was never spotted (If you work out the maximum amount of moon mineral that can be mined and then search the markets for how much was sold it would surely give you an indication that something was up?) - then what I'd very much like CCP to make public is:
1) How can we be sure the duration you inform the playerbase or the CSM is correct?
2) How can we be sure you have actually perma-banned 70 accounts?
I would never expect personal details, despite the fact it's against the EULA, however the characters themselves belong to CCP.
Therefore you CAN publish the character names of those that were banned, the corp/alliance names belong to you too - you can publish those also.
When people then do not see character x appear in the game again we will know something has probably been actually been done to the extent that you have publicised.
Saying that, I'm sure CCP will only tell the CSM what they want them to know, it's not like they can storm the CCP offices and confiscate equipment and look at logs etc.
I'm sure this is only going to have occured in a matter of a few days, and only 100 or so characters will have been using it, nothing to see here, the game you've been playing for 5 years has not really been totally skewed for the past 4 - the markets that we pride our game on is unaffected, as is the political landscape.
Seriously, 'EvE: The movie' would be nothing compared to 'CCP: The movie.'
Just a shame that Jim Henson isn't alive to direct it.
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Nquyen Win
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Nquyen Win on 14/12/2008 21:54:35
1 I would like for CCP to give me all the items they confiscated.
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Shakari Sween
freelancers inc
KenZoku
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:01:00 -
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Name and shame would be best, of at least the corp names(alliances they were in too after all we can look them up if we have the corp names).
While most people will realise that it will take a bit of time to get all the info etc there are good reasons why people want to know everything about this incident. Things like how long has this exploit been around?(this is a cruicial question im sure ccp are really looking into) If it is indeed the 4 years or so that has been stated by some people(with no evidence) then the whole landscape of eve would have been different. While people have allready started speculating to what will happen with regards to t2 supply and demand, how much less will there really be? How much did the exploited materials really make up of the whole supply?
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