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Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.12.12 20:38:00 - [1] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This matter will be brought up at a CSM and CCP meeting this upcoming weekend. Post your questions and/or concerns to be debated over the weekend. Perhaps CCP and the CSM can look here for the player base's best interest. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Solomon XI Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.12 20:56:00 - [2] --/signed & fully supported. One question to the OP: Does this topic actually belong here in the Assembly Hall? *** Question to CCP: What does CCP plan to do about the economic backlash this has created? Question to CCP: Obviously, alliances and whatnot have benefited from this exploit. What does CCP plan to do about the outposts, super-capitals, and POS's that have been funded by this exploit? How will the alliances be handled? Question to CCP: How was this exploit not discovered sooner?
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.12.12 21:25:00 - [3] One of the things CCP asked us, going into the meeting, was to find a lot of questions which the community thinks are important. Originally by: Solomon XI --/signed & fully supported. One question to the OP: Does this topic actually belong here in the Assembly Hall? *** Question to CCP: What does CCP plan to do about the economic backlash this has created? Question to CCP: Obviously, alliances and whatnot have benefited from this exploit. What does CCP plan to do about the outposts, super-capitals, and POS's that have been funded by this exploit? How will the alliances be handled? Question to CCP: How was this exploit not discovered sooner? And those 3 are the essence of what people wants to know by the looks of it. That and how long it has been going on, is what people seem to want to know.
Solomon XI Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.12 21:40:00 - [4] Ooooh, a CSM. I like. =) *** I have another question, then. CCP reset the market histories for quite a few items because of this causing people to lose money via the market. How does CCP plan to compensate the innocent people they hurt by doing this?
ArmyOfMe 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.12 21:51:00 - [5] Here's a question i would love to know the answer to. Why should we belive that ccp isnt hiding a lot of the ramifications this exploit has had on the game? after all, who is really there to check if what ccp has said is the entire truth Originally by: deadmaus Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything
Gone'Postal Minmatar Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.12.12 22:20:00 - [6] Why didn't there market man find this? name and shame the lot of em tbh but doubt we will get that. I don't think it would be that hard to see there was way to many items of beging made ingame there where was ways to make it.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.12.12 22:38:00 - [7] To CCP - What assurances do players have that their game play, their time, and their hard work and effort are among others in an equal playing field? To CCP - If exploits to this extent are still out there, what changes are being done to see that these are caught and fixed promptly before they can cause great economic impact again? --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Anne Archer	Posted - 2008.12.12 23:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Anne Archer on 12/12/2008 23:51:46 What I really want to know is: Did CCP really receive multiple petitions/bug reports on this over the years and not say anything until it came out on a third party forum? This of itself will speak volumes for me. I would like the truth to this question answered. If anyone has an old record of their report please step forward for all!
Hyjinx McStagger Elko Bail Bonds	Posted - 2008.12.13 00:56:00 - [9] Is it possible for non-CSM members to "attend" the meeting in a listen-only mode, or to hear a recording of the meeting? As a least-prefeered alternative, will the minutes of the meeting be made available to the public at large? Thanks! It's a game, not a job!
Hyjinx McStagger Gallente Elko Bail Bonds	Posted - 2008.12.13 01:00:00 - [10] Were the in-game characters/corps/alliances of any past/present CCP developers associated with the banned accounts? Thanks! It's a game, not a job!

Hyjinx McStagger Gallente Elko Bail Bonds	Posted - 2008.12.13 01:04:00 - [11] Going forward - is there an "audit" type of system that CCP could put in place where the manufacture of items does not align to the resources available? Getting something for nothing seems to be somtheing that should be easy to catch. Thanks! It's a game, not a job!
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.13 01:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Gone'Postal Why didn't there market man find this? name and shame the lot of em tbh but doubt we will get that. Name and shame doesn't work and has been tried on other online games. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2008.12.13 01:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Hyjinx McStagger Is it possible for non-CSM members to "attend" the meeting in a listen-only mode, or to hear a recording of the meeting? no, CSM has had to sign NDA's to cover the possibility that CCP devs/GM's may mention something that cannot be made public, having members of the general playerbase there would negate the point of the NDA. Originally by: Hyjinx McStagger As a least-prefered alternative, will the minutes of the meeting be made available to the public at large? yes, but it may be a little moderated depending on where the conversations take us. ---------------------- My Blog
Jareck Hunter Academy of Decadence Hereticus Aegis Communis	Posted - 2008.12.13 01:46:00 - [14] Edited by: Jareck Hunter on 13/12/2008 01:47:30 Edited by: Jareck Hunter on 13/12/2008 01:47:15 After the fail of Midas i wanna know if there will be another Industrie Addon, maybe with a Contract or a Log for Shares, maybe those fuelpellets and other things discussed. We shouldn't forget everything else, cause of this Exploit thing. ------------------------------------------------- Sorry for my bad english^^ Join public Channel "Decadence" or visit www.eve-decadence.de
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.12.13 02:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Omber Zombie Originally by: Hyjinx McStagger As a least-prefered alternative, will the minutes of the meeting be made available to the public at large? yes, but it may be a little moderated depending on where the conversations take us. Often in the past, these minutes from CCP & CSM meetings have been seriously delayed, I hope that CSM can impress upon the CCP reps, that attend the meeting, it behooves them to get those minutes out to the public ASAP, so negate the rabble rabble. -- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.12.13 02:28:00 - [16] Obviously there's the t2 exploit thing.... How does T2 BPOS compare to invention now that the base items are going to be far more scarce and thusly the advantage of invention of high units decreasing cost... how does that fit in? Could be a significant issue. 1. How is Wreck flagging in pvp going? I kill someone outside jita 4-4 I'm not going to get anything that drops. 2. Freighter sized ship for moving loads of rigged ships? 3. Remote Sensor damps need some love. 4. low sec fix for concord? Something like this? 5. Pirate faction ships? Rogue drones dominix? Sisters epic cov-op ship; one capable of being essentially cloaked when it isnt. 6. High sec outposts? 7. Invention/drone implants? 8. Fix to wardecs... 2mil to essentially annoy people? 9. POS Fuel? In Features area they had the idea of creating Pos fuel to be streamlined into 3 items at most. Yes or no? 10. Fix for Stealth bombers? 11. Black ops? Sin needs more targetting range. 12. Gallente Navy Ogres, Amarr Navy Praetors? 13. Slightly shorter jumpclone time. Such that if you spend only a few hours a day online, you arent stuck. 14. EVE STOCK MARKET! 15. Suicide ganking and insurance. 16. Battle Recorder. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.12.13 02:35:00 - [17] 17. Alluring Emanations; Level 4 mission that's easier to finish then any level 1 mission. 18. Mining misappropriate; Level 4 mission that amarr agents gives to go kill amarr ships. Not good? ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Bunyip	Posted - 2008.12.13 06:05:00 - [18] Hello all, We'll raise these questions, but I'm not sure how many answers we'll get as it's so early in the investigation. Regardless, we'll try to get these things answered, as I can vouch for the rest of my CSM compatriots that this is first and foremost on our list of problems to get solved. The other stuff can wait for a different meeting if necessary. "May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table.
Miss Moonwych	Posted - 2008.12.13 08:00:00 - [19] Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 13/12/2008 08:01:37 Regarding the exploit: I think that CSM members should make a priority list (for themselves) of the things they think have to be addressed. And then not to leave the meeting(s) without either: CCP having clarified how and when they are going to reveal the demanded/requested information or being convinced themselves that its better that CCP doesn't reveal (some of) the information in order to convince us in turn. No doubt these meetings will be the most important to date and we expect you not to walk out without a red face due to putting serious pressure on CCP to reveal as much information as needed. M.M.
Dasfry Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.13 08:08:00 - [20] Edited by: Dasfry on 13/12/2008 08:07:57 Originally by: Bunyip Hello all, We'll raise these questions, but I'm not sure how many answers we'll get as it's so early in the investigation. Regardless, we'll try to get these things answered, as I can vouch for the rest of my CSM compatriots that this is first and foremost on our list of problems to get solved. The other stuff can wait for a different meeting if necessary. My main question is, Will they make future exploits that appear or existing ones that are not yet known... be a priority in fixing as they'e found out about? Can they do anything to encourage the user base that might be aware of existing exploits to come forth and tell CCP about the exploits they might be using without fear of being banned. Example, Alliance X is using a meathod to make a lot of isk and isn't sure if what they're doing is an exploit. Out of fear of both being banned and losing their source of income they keep it a secret. Kind of the way profitable trade routes are kept hush hush, out of fear of losing said trade route to the masses. To summarize what I'm asking... What will CCP do to catch and handle more exploits. What will CCP do to encourage players to admit the ones they know about? *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics

Issler Dainze	Posted - 2008.12.13 08:47:00 - [21] We have scheduled a CSM "Thunderdome" with CCP Sunday! Only the CSM will emerge alive! Seriously, the CSM is engaged with CCP and my impression is that CCP is willing to be very open with the CSM. Remember, intimate details are not likely to emerge but I feel CCP will act in a way that shows they are committed to a fair Eve for all. I feel that the transperancy everyone has called for will happen, the reaction of the CSM to this development has been impressive. All of the CSM sees the seriousness of the issues and seems committed to making CCP accountable. In the mean time, know this is still the best game in the verse! Hang on, hang in and count on this being settled once and for always! Issler
Timotheus Siberius Federation Navy Shipyards	Posted - 2008.12.13 08:53:00 - [22] What T2 BPO's were removed from the game due to this incident? * See you in space!
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2008.12.13 09:26:00 - [23] A) Fixes to make T2 Ammo worthwhile, or at least a lot more balanced against Faction which does the same thing, without nerfs? B) Fixes to the war declaration system enabling amicable surrenders? C) Fixes to the war declaration system that flags members of the declared corps so that jumping is not an immediate immunity flag? D) Fixes to NPC corps to prompt players to move outward toward Player Corporations? E) Not touching ECM, but making ECM countermeasures more feasable? F) More streamlined exploration methods to remove some drudgery? G) Streamlined POS logistics? Fuel Rods, multiple items anchoring/unanchoring simultaneously? H) POS Material Bays that all modules within the shield can access (re: Assembly Arrays, Labs) to mitigate material shifting for every joblot.
Ivena Amethyst	Posted - 2008.12.13 11:46:00 - [24] -------- Is that an Itty V in your pocket or ar you just happy to see me?
Belmarduk M.A.R.S. Enterprises	Posted - 2008.12.13 13:01:00 - [25] Edited by: Belmarduk on 13/12/2008 13:01:04 Skill-Queue ? Macroers ? Insurance Payout when concorded (Best thing would be to get rid of insurance alltogether imho) Mainchar:
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.13 13:09:00 - [26] Edited by: jason hill on 13/12/2008 13:10:11 Originally by: Issler Dainze We have scheduled a CSM "Thunderdome" with CCP Sunday! Only the CSM will emerge alive! Seriously, the CSM is engaged with CCP and my impression is that CCP is willing to be very open with the CSM. Remember, intimate details are not likely to emerge but I feel CCP will act in a way that shows they are committed to a fair Eve for all. I feel that the transperancy everyone has called for will happen, the reaction of the CSM to this development has been impressive. All of the CSM sees the seriousness of the issues and seems committed to making CCP accountable. In the mean time, know this is still the best game in the verse! Hang on, hang in and count on this being settled once and for always! Issler The daft thing is though that I have unfortunatly heard all of this before ive been playing since 2003 and this is not the first time this has happend destroy everything you touch
Zebba Gallente Northwind Research Agency	Posted - 2008.12.13 13:12:00 - [27] My question would be: Will CCP apologize for their rushed way to remove ghost training without making sure everybody will know about this "fix" in time?
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.12.13 13:28:00 - [28] Please be aware that this meeting is ONLY about the recent exploit. We are not discussing anything other than that. We will be doing that in January.
Pliauga Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.12.13 14:06:00 - [29] What is the projected effect on the economy. What are the steps taken to prevent economic turmoil and market panic if such would arise. In short: You (CCP) have found Mr. exploit and killed him, what are you going to do with the corpse? And on top of that: will there be any new mechanisms introduced to prevent this in the future? Fear of the banhammer is obviously a lousy preventive measure. ---------- DRONE love rulez!! 'mkay?! .
Miss Moonwych	Posted - 2008.12.13 14:33:00 - [30] When exactly will the meeting take place (server time)? And when do you expect to be able to give us an initial briefing about how it went?



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