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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:40:00 -
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PVPers are not going to quit because higher tier ships are more expensive. They'll downgrade the ship they fly before quitting.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Selinate
852
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:42:00 -
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Kattshiro wrote:I actually mine right now due to time conflicts and level of concentration... I have never been ganked (I dont even fly hulks...) I think it's blown out of proportion honestly.
2. If I am ganked.... I dont give a **** about a loss mail. It's not a matter of pride. I also fail to see how getting ganked in a covetor is a stupid "mistake.." How could it be. (Yeah yeah why the **** are you mining youre doing it wrong blah blah)
I dont mine in lowsec because i'd then have to pay 100% attention...which I already stated I can't do or else i'd be doing something else...
I dont think people want to mine in low sec due to being forced to pay attention to how boring mining really is. That's the problem aside from the part that mining to be profitable or useful needs to be done in a group. Address the fundemental nature of mining and make it more entertaining/non stationary and you'll see an upswing.
As of now you see: People like me who can't devote 100% of their attention yet still want to interact with the game (work, school work...hungover) People who really dont have an issue with the mechanics of it... I dunno how they do it. mandatory mining corp ops Bots.
If I were mining, I would actually rather mine in low sec space almost exclusively. While the profit isn't really that much better (if it is at all), certain low sec pockets are pretty much completely empty, and on top of that it's actually not that hard at all to take stuff from low sec to high sec or vice versa (just fit like 3 stabs in your lows, a decent tank, and you'll be able to make it through Rancer if you want. I've done it multiple times FFS). Want advice on how to not lose your hulk in lowsec? Align for a station and dock when you see a neutral in local. Not that hard.
I don't see why there's so much whining. Do you people want some form of farmville except where you play it in spaceships? That takes the fun out of the game for me. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
310
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:43:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:PVPers are not going to quit because higher tier ships are more expensive. They'll downgrade the ship they fly before quitting. -Liang While simultaneously ramping up the tear factor for everybody involved.
As previously stated, CCP has successfully buffed the tears of the unwashed masses.
**** is about to get really good around here!!! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Bane Necran
277
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:46:00 -
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You really seem fixated on the victim thing. And loss mails are only as important as you want them to be.
I've never really thought of myself as a victim when i lose ships. It's more of a job hazard. And after you lose enough ships you stop caring, which is why griefers prefer to target new players for precious tears. |
IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance
297
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:51:00 -
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/hands you a new stick so you can beat a dead horse some more....
I'm sorry this ganking of HS miners you speak of is so much a non issues aside from the times when someone is making a concerted effort to gank HS mining.
Hulkageddon, Ice Interdiction etc etc etc...
Do you not realize that the gankers are going to be pricing themselves out of business? Ganking is a barely profitable venture as it is and now with the 'Boomerang Exploit' fixed, and the fact that Concorded ships payout no insurance you have to be a moron or a total a$$hat with deep pockets to want to keep on ganking for the 'fun' of it. Also with profitablity comes incentive to innovate. I'm curious to see where that leads. I for one am optimistic about the changes becuase it shakes up the established order of things. An established order that alot of folks continually b!tch about. Some of the same people saying the sky is falling now were the same folks p!ss!ng and moaning about bots and drone droppings. Now these folks are lamenting the CCP fixes.
I swear people who play this game aren't happy unless they are miserable.
I'm going to reserve my OMG EVE IS DYING!!11!!!1!!!1! paranoia until after I see evidence that it is in fact dying.
Perhaps you should as well OP
PS. Barges do not need moar tank, just smarter pilots. PSS. Anyone who says mining is boring needs to get some EVE friends. A few Covetors (Hulks are overpriced targets IMO) with an Orca + a six pack of beer is a wonderful way to kill a few hours. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1514
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:53:00 -
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Uh, most of the PVPers I know may grumble for a while, but it won't last that long. We're a pretty adaptable lot and as a whole are remarkably good at ISK making and such. Hell I'm grumbling over the market prices of stuff, but a volatile market is going to incredibly good for my ISK reserves.
Don't confuse grumbling over short term discomfort with the perpetual whine we hear from die hard carebears.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
311
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:55:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Uh, most of the PVPers I know may grumble for a while, but it won't last that long. We're a pretty adaptable lot and as a whole are remarkably good at ISK making and such. Hell I'm grumbling over the market prices of stuff, but a volatile market is going to incredibly good for my ISK reserves. Don't confuse grumbling over short term discomfort with the perpetual whine we hear from die hard carebears. -Liang I was agreeing with you and extrapolating your point. Learn reading comprehension, I guess?
See also: THAT WAS NOT AN ARGUMENT. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
IronLemur
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
1
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:56:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Eve is dying because I'm not getting my way thread #968572
Played-out "L2P" comment that contributes nothing to a thread #5,665,324
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
94
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:57:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:I've never really thought of myself as a victim when i lose ships. It's more of a job hazard. And after you lose enough ships you stop caring, which is why griefers prefer to target new players for precious tears. QFT. "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
311
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:58:00 -
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IronLemur wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:Eve is dying because I'm not getting my way thread #968572 Played-out "L2P" comment that contributes nothing to a thread #5,665,324 How about this then? HTFU He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1514
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:17:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Uh, most of the PVPers I know may grumble for a while, but it won't last that long. We're a pretty adaptable lot and as a whole are remarkably good at ISK making and such. Hell I'm grumbling over the market prices of stuff, but a volatile market is going to incredibly good for my ISK reserves. Don't confuse grumbling over short term discomfort with the perpetual whine we hear from die hard carebears. -Liang I was agreeing with you and extrapolating your point. Learn reading comprehension, I guess? See also: THAT WAS NOT AN ARGUMENT.
Ummm, I don't know how I could have deduced that but w/e. The point is well and truly belabored now.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
312
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:20:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Uh, most of the PVPers I know may grumble for a while, but it won't last that long. We're a pretty adaptable lot and as a whole are remarkably good at ISK making and such. Hell I'm grumbling over the market prices of stuff, but a volatile market is going to incredibly good for my ISK reserves. Don't confuse grumbling over short term discomfort with the perpetual whine we hear from die hard carebears. -Liang I was agreeing with you and extrapolating your point. Learn reading comprehension, I guess? See also: THAT WAS NOT AN ARGUMENT. Ummm, I don't know how I could have deduced that but w/e. The point is well and truly belabored now. -Liang Maybe the problem is you read every post and just assume that people are arguing with you instead of maybe trying to add to what you've already said.
Just a thought, though. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1514
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:58:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: Maybe the problem is you read every post and just assume that people are arguing with you instead of maybe trying to add to what you've already said.
Just a thought, though.
Let's take a look at what was said: "PVPers are not going to quit because higher tier ships are more expensive. They'll downgrade the ship they fly before quitting."
"... While simultaneously ramping up the tear factor for everybody involved."
It seems that relatively obvious that by saying "everybody involved", PVPers are included in that ramping up of the tear factor. Really, it could also be argued that its the responsibility of a poster to ensure their posts are understandable by the readers - which includes people who have a different native language. It could be argued that a certain poster has poor communication skills if they didn't say what they meant.... ?
Just a thought, though.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
313
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:02:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: Maybe the problem is you read every post and just assume that people are arguing with you instead of maybe trying to add to what you've already said.
Just a thought, though.
Let's take a look at what was said: "PVPers are not going to quit because higher tier ships are more expensive. They'll downgrade the ship they fly before quitting." "... While simultaneously ramping up the tear factor for everybody involved." It seems that relatively obvious that by saying "everybody involved", PVPers are included in that ramping up of the tear factor. Really, it could also be argued that its the responsibility of a poster to ensure their posts are understandable by the readers - which includes people who have a different native language. It could be argued that a certain poster has poor communication skills if they didn't say what they meant.... ? Just a thought, though. -Liang
Yes, the tears upon which they sup routinely have been (and continue to be) buffed. That's what I meant.
The tears you get will be better. The tears that your victims give will be better.
It's too bad that apparently anything I reply to you has to be spelled out like I'm dealing with a spergy six year old...
My point was valid regardless - that you got defensive is the true tell here. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1514
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:04:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:My point was valid regardless - that you got defensive is the true tell here.
It's not being defensive when someone screws up what they're trying to say and you have to correct them.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
313
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:07:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:My point was valid regardless - that you got defensive is the true tell here. It's not being defensive when someone screws up what they're trying to say and you have to correct them. -Liang
I'm not sure you corrected anybody there Liang.
Unless CCP has not buffed tears? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1140
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:12:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Alain Kinsella
100
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Posted - 2012.04.11 21:13:00 -
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You can have a *lot* of fun in destroyers, even before the recent changes (though then it would primarily be the Thrasher). I <3 Agony Uni.
As for mining, I'm still happy digging into planets, thanks (though I freely admit rocks are tempting again). Will wait and see how CCP fills out the Ore ship line.
BTW, is this some new form of roid rage? I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2012.04.11 21:47:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Jas Dor wrote: Most likely though is sudden, explosive, subscription loss when the inflation situation makes continuing to play this game untenable.
I doubt that will be the case. At least not in the dramatic scene of players running for the hello kitty hills.
The only reason CCP is doing anything is because people began leaving in sufficient numbers to scare them.
So try to be less of an idiot. |
Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
31
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Posted - 2012.04.11 22:00:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: Maybe the problem is you read every post and just assume that people are arguing with you instead of maybe trying to add to what you've already said.
Just a thought, though.
Let's take a look at what was said: "PVPers are not going to quit because higher tier ships are more expensive. They'll downgrade the ship they fly before quitting." -Liang
You are wrong Liang. Most pirate corps have strong industrial alt corps. How do you think who is making CAP ships, drugs, T2 ships and other stuff? Large part of it is made in lowsec by us.
I went outlaw one and half a year ago with around 800m in wallet. Now its more than 15 Bils in cash and more than double in hardware. All was earned in lowsec by that time. So dont worry bout us :)
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
595
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Posted - 2012.04.11 23:24:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote: So try to be less of an idiot.
Soon as you stop being a douche bag |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2012.04.11 23:43:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote: You are wrong Liang. Most pirate corps have strong industrial alt corps. How do you think who is making CAP ships, drugs, T2 ships and other stuff? Large part of it is made in lowsec by us.
I went outlaw one and half a year ago with around 800m in wallet. Now its more than 15 Bils in cash and more than double in hardware. All was earned in lowsec by that time. So dont worry bout us :)
Might I humbly suggest that
1. Now that this has been moved to Market discussion the quality of the posting seems to be improving; and
2. A low sec pirate who reads market discussion might not be representative of the average 0.0 line pilot (for one thing you have the good sense to do something more fun than being a 0.0 line pilot). |
Silver Ott
Baxter Inc Babylon 5..
2
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Posted - 2012.04.11 23:53:00 -
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biggest crybaby thread ever boohoo sadstory
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Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:16:00 -
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Hum. I find it surprising how many people here are rejecting the simple concept that eve is a game and people playing a game will not adopt the role of victim. Sure folks will lose ships PvPing. Getting into a ship who's role is to be an easy kill for somebody else, not so much.
Trit averaged 5.89 yesterday. It's averaging 6.19 as we speak (nope make that 6.20 on sell orders). That's a tad over 17.8m/hour from mining and rising. I hate to point this out but it doesn't look like players are much interested in getting ganked in mining barges for the what the market is currently willing to pay them. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:31:00 -
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the reason you are wrong OP is that you assume that everyone cares as much about losing ships as you do. i myself regularly scan down low class WHs and clean them out in a cheap BC. if i get ganked, i eject and warp to the exit hole without losing a second thought. and i can also confirm that i am not the only one doing this, i even met a guy who was solo MINING in a C2 once.
TL;DR: people don't care about losing ships, therefore you're wrong. |
Silver Ott
Baxter Inc Babylon 5..
2
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:49:00 -
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Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.04.12 01:32:00 -
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About mining...
.... working as intended .... some people like it, even if you dont, sorry ... thank you CCP for making mining the thing the cool kids do... .... no changes necessary, miners are happy
That is all...
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Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2012.04.12 03:00:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:the reason you are wrong OP is that you assume that everyone cares as much about losing ships as you do. i myself regularly scan down low class WHs and clean them out in a cheap BC. if i get ganked, i eject and warp to the exit hole without losing a second thought. and i can also confirm that i am not the only one doing this, i even met a guy who was solo MINING in a C2 once.
TL;DR: people don't care about losing ships, therefore you're wrong.
What makes you think that I am arguing from personal feeling and not a string of observations about player behavior. You yourself are helping to prove my thesis. You indicate that you do not mind dying, in a relatively low probability event (killed in a WH), without social stigmatization (**** happens in a WH), while doing something relatively interesting. Yeah, I don't mind the occasional ship loss from living outside of empire either.
There is a big difference from doing something relatively secure and signing up to do a stupid. Becoming gank bait in a barge is signing up to do something stupid. So is carrying 1B in a T1 hauler. Both are things people either don't do or only do once. Right now we are seeing a bunch of people going "tried it, got ganked, got the message about mining in high sec." Unfortunately unless a significant number of lemmings volunteer to be gank bait in high sec, low end prices will continue to rise.
As indeed they have. |
Silver Ott
Baxter Inc Babylon 5..
2
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Posted - 2012.04.12 03:09:00 -
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omg the sky is falling y2k is coming everybody panic
maybe you should consider playing eve in a bombshelter or the likes until patch day just to be on the safe side |
Kreeia Dgore
EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis
1
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Posted - 2012.04.12 04:30:00 -
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I want a minigame! Did you guys see the fanfest state of the economy video? Mining is one of the most performed activities (though bots may have caused this), but it is the most hated one. I would like to see a minigame, nothing difficult, but something that will benefit folks plying aftively, not half afk or bots. If there would be a minigame, for example similar to the scanning proces of identifying anomalies, while now you would identify the most yielding parts of the asteroid to gain better yield and not having to chop through the rock parts, it would speed things a bit and surely make them more fun. Those either botting or mostly afk would be left with the possibility of mining, but wouldn't be as efficient as when playing actively.We could have a special module for that, or just adjust the survey scanners, we need them anyway. Once mining will be more fun (and hulks somehow boosted in defence), the situation may get better. Right now, it is just a dull activity folks have to do. I also appreciate the new ideas about group mining ops in mining belts, but frankly, mining mechanics is old and boring, you would give us great new place to be, but it won't help for in the end the folks will just be bored together. |
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