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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.13 22:44:00 -
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The arbitrary War Dec Limit of 3 should be doubled to 6. I don't care if the cost keeps going up just plz raise the limit.
People keep whining about there being no pew pew in Hi Sec, my corpm8s will happily work on that for you.
Iwant Urstuff I do want URSTUFF plz hand it all over!!! |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.13 22:59:00 -
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I was unaware of the War-Dec limit.
Considering all the War-dec's flying all over the place : O P
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JabberWockii
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Posted - 2008.12.13 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: JabberWockii on 13/12/2008 23:04:36 I agree the wardec limit should be increased to at least double of the current limit. Let us war to as many people as we dare.
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Dirty Davina
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Posted - 2008.12.13 23:04:00 -
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Please raise the limit. I cant see why there even needs to be a limit!!! IWANT UR STUFF |
Dirty Davina
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Posted - 2008.12.13 23:06:00 -
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I support this. IWANT UR STUFF |
Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.13 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis I was unaware of the War-Dec limit.
Considering all the War-dec's flying all over the place : O P
NPC Carebare corps don't have wars, so of course your unaware of the limit.
!!!revo lla ti puah zld FFUTSRU tuaw op I |
FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.13 23:29:00 -
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supported
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TimGascoigne
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.13 23:29:00 -
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wow theres a limit? oh well time to get ride of this trash.
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Haakelen
Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.13 23:31:00 -
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Supported.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.13 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 13/12/2008 23:35:14 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 13/12/2008 23:34:19
Originally by: Iwant Urstuff
Originally by: Drake Draconis I was unaware of the War-Dec limit.
Considering all the War-dec's flying all over the place : O P
NPC Carebare corps don't have wars, so of course your unaware of the limit.
Obvious Troll Obvious
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.13 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Iwant Urstuff
Originally by: Drake Draconis I was unaware of the War-Dec limit.
Considering all the War-dec's flying all over the place : O P
NPC Carebare corps don't have wars, so of course your unaware of the limit.
Bitter much?
No but it is a little hard to legally get at urstuff while your in an NPC corp so I guess I will need to resort to other means.
!!!revo lla ti puah zld FFUTSRU tuaw op I |
mothyowns
teeny tiny space pirates
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Posted - 2008.12.14 00:01:00 -
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Supported
mothy
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Dave Tehsulei
Atomic Battle Penguins The Darwin Award Foundation
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Posted - 2008.12.14 00:14:00 -
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The whole war dec system needs reworking
Why is there a limit at all?
We already are punished enough with the stupid war fee system, pvp is supposed to be an integral part of the game and yet if you want to start a war you are limited by your wallet balance and the 3 war mechanic.
War voting is out dated and cumbersome get rid of it, starting wars should be completely separate to corporate votes.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.14 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 14/12/2008 00:23:56 ***
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.12.14 02:28:00 -
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Wars go like... 2mil 4mil then 200mil @ 3rd. Honestly... if you want 4th and 5th... u can have them... but damn ur gunna be paying LOTS of isk.
Carebear here supporting ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
vault22dweler
Gallente 8lack Wing Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 02:48:00 -
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SUPPORTED
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.14 02:56:00 -
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/support --------
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Glevin Flot
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Posted - 2008.12.14 06:06:00 -
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needs doubled to 6 at least.
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Iwant Urstuff
Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.14 06:25:00 -
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Edited by: Iwant Urstuff on 14/12/2008 06:25:32
Originally by: Jason Edwards Wars go like... 2mil 4mil then 200mil @ 3rd. Honestly... if you want 4th and 5th... u can have them... but damn ur gunna be paying LOTS of isk.
Carebear here supporting
It's been my experience that war fees run 2 mil then 4 mil then 6 mil, so for 3 wars the total is 12 million isk vs three corps. Alliance wars are a bit more expensive costing 50 mil to start. I don't object to cost, just the limit needs to be raised to 6.
!!!revo lla ti puah zld FFUTSRU tuaw op I |
Anarich
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.14 19:19:00 -
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Increase the limit is a good idea, but the cost right now of war decs against corps is too cheap. Without increasing the base cost it will just promote excessive griefing.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 19:26:00 -
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The trick is to annoy people so that they declare on you.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei Why is there a limit at all?
About a year ago, a pretty impressive PvP alliance with rotating corp membership set about wardeccing every player corp under the sun in high sec to "bring PvP back". Players who were just getting started in player corps, people taking a break from the endless PvP drama of high sec, industrial corporations, all of them. They took it upon themselves to abuse the mechanics on a pretty epic scale to remold high sec into what their "ideal" vision of EVE should be. Non-consentual PvP spread as widely as possible. Some of them felt that if you were in a player corporation, you should be forced to PvP.
CCP took exception to this interpretation and implemented the changes.
I think they were at nearly a hundred simultaneous war declarations active at their peak. During the last push before the patch, they might have pushed that to nearly 150. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Haakelen
Gallente Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Dave Tehsulei Why is there a limit at all?
About a year ago, a pretty impressive PvP alliance with rotating corp membership set about wardeccing every player corp under the sun in high sec to "bring PvP back". Players who were just getting started in player corps, people taking a break from the endless PvP drama of high sec, industrial corporations, all of them. They took it upon themselves to abuse the mechanics on a pretty epic scale to remold high sec into what their "ideal" vision of EVE should be. Non-consentual PvP spread as widely as possible. Some of them felt that if you were in a player corporation, you should be forced to PvP.
CCP took exception to this interpretation and implemented the changes.
I think they were at nearly a hundred simultaneous war declarations active at their peak. During the last push before the patch, they might have pushed that to nearly 150.
What you speak of is irrelevant. The 3-dec limit for a corp (as opposed to an alliance) existed before that. The Privateer nerf was each dec after the first being a multiplied bill, as opposed to an added bill. First dec 50M, second 100M, third 200M, or something like that. Your hyperbole, while hilariously bitter, is inappropriate and incorrect.
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:27:00 -
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Supported
Originally by: Janu Hull CCP took exception to this interpretation and implemented the changes.
More like 'caved in' to appease the carebears ... in a game they've geared towards PVP.
Originally by: Haakelen Your hyperbole, while hilariously bitter, is inappropriate and incorrect.
CLICKY
Thank-You,
The Pitboss
Signatures by: Kalen Vox |
Gimme Urstuff
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:44:00 -
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Need more WAR. Need more stuffz. It'z preciouzzzzzzz to me. It's all my own, my preciouz, my eve. Gimme Urstuff.
I love money, but what I really really love is other peoples money!!! |
Terra Mikael
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 08:34:00 -
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WTF? there's a limit on war decs!? there should be no limit on lul production in eve.
Approved. ________________________________
Originally by: Korovyov You WIN! And by win, I mean suck horse manure.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.16 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss
Originally by: Janu Hull CCP took exception to this interpretation and implemented the changes.
More like 'caved in' to appease the carebears ... in a game they've geared towards PVP.
Now, if they had done that, they would have removed the wardec system altogether. They left the ability in to take on a corporation that gets under your craw, they just removed the ability to bring armageddon to the carebears.
Don't get me wrong, I was never decced by the Privateers, so I'm not personally bitter about what y'all did at all. I think you took it WAY too far, though. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.16 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen What you speak of is irrelevant. The 3-dec limit for a corp (as opposed to an alliance) existed before that. The Privateer nerf was each dec after the first being a multiplied bill, as opposed to an added bill. First dec 50M, second 100M, third 200M, or something like that. Your hyperbole, while hilariously bitter, is inappropriate and incorrect.
Yeah, remember that one. I'd just bought it, and had it partially fitted out. By the way, that wasn't a wardec, back in the day, I was a can snatching fiend, and they bagged me fairly on that one.
Not that I'm complaining, mind you, I'd found some pretty interesting stuff in wrecks left at various gates. That time, I just got caught with my pants down. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Daemonspirit
Redhawk Tribal Trust
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Posted - 2008.12.16 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss Supported
Originally by: Janu Hull CCP took exception to this interpretation and implemented the changes.
More like 'caved in' to appease the carebears ... in a game they've geared towards PVP.
Originally by: Haakelen Your hyperbole, while hilariously bitter, is inappropriate and incorrect.
CLICKY
Yeah, god forbid that CCP have a clue about how they want to run their game... I mean, they coded it, and produced it... They obviously have no clue about whats happening....
Approve taking the limit off the number of war-decs, scaling war-dec fees and Pirates/griefers/carebears all crying about each other!
THAT'LL FIX EVERYTHING! ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö |
Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.31 02:11:00 -
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Just a bump to see if the CSM even reads these. I kinda doubt it. They don't want their stuffz taken.
!!!revo lla ti puah zld FFUTSRU tuaw op I |
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.02 03:05:00 -
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Bumptybump, they still haven't read it.
!!!revo lla ti puah zld FFUTSRU tuaw op I |
Slave 775
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.02 04:17:00 -
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You get my support on this one.
Centuries ago, the Bible warned of dangers posed by evil men described as ômaster[s] at evil ideasö and ôscheming to do bad.ö (Proverbs 24:8) PRIVATEERS Officialy nerfed by CCP 05/07 |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.01.02 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Iwant Urstuff Bumptybump, they still haven't read it.
Can't take a hint? =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com =============== |
Drik Drevani
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Posted - 2009.01.03 05:26:00 -
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Oppose. Current limit is plenty.
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Telor Ashrin
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Posted - 2009.01.04 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei The whole war dec system needs reworking
Why is there a limit at all?
We already are punished enough with the stupid war fee system, pvp is supposed to be an integral part of the game and yet if you want to start a war you are limited by your wallet balance and the 3 war mechanic.
War voting is out dated and cumbersome get rid of it, starting wars should be completely separate to corporate votes.
Doesn't 0.0 take care of this?
Of course, I may be wrong since I am new. |
Haakelen
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.04 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Telor Ashrin
Originally by: Dave Tehsulei The whole war dec system needs reworking
Why is there a limit at all?
We already are punished enough with the stupid war fee system, pvp is supposed to be an integral part of the game and yet if you want to start a war you are limited by your wallet balance and the 3 war mechanic.
War voting is out dated and cumbersome get rid of it, starting wars should be completely separate to corporate votes.
Doesn't 0.0 take care of this?
Of course, I may be wrong since I am new.
PvP happens everywhere in Eve.
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thesonarnet
Gallente 0ccam's Razor UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.04 10:30:00 -
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against it
Why? because war deccing Carebears is super carebearish! We have more Regions in this game where you can fight everyone even without a war dec and a sec hit than we have empire regions.
So don't be such carebears and move your butts to the real action.
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.04 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Iwant Urstuff on 04/01/2009 16:56:39
Originally by: thesonarnet against it
Why? because war deccing Carebears is super carebearish! We have more Regions in this game where you can fight everyone even without a war dec and a sec hit than we have empire regions.
So don't be such carebears and move your butts to the real action.
Noobz r not our targetz of choice. There are other targetz in Hi Sec than noobz. Anyways thanks for the bump!!!!
!!!revo lla ti puah zld FFUTSRU tuaw op I |
irion felpamy
Minmatar HellJumpers Corp United For 0rder
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Posted - 2009.01.04 18:03:00 -
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If you are at war with 3 corps and have spare capacity you should be decing more worthwile targets not more targets.
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Gimme Urmods
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Posted - 2009.01.04 18:21:00 -
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SUPPORTED
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Iwant Urmods
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Posted - 2009.01.04 18:24:00 -
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Would like to see this doubled
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No Beard
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2009.01.04 19:27:00 -
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Yarrmageddon
Gallente Aeon Of Strife R.U.R.
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Posted - 2009.01.04 20:26:00 -
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supported |
Murlas Ysarn
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Posted - 2009.01.06 11:17:00 -
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Not supported. If you just want to PvP move to low-sec or 0.0, that is why it is there.
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Suitonia
interimo
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Posted - 2009.01.06 12:27:00 -
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The current limit isn't too bad I think, although it would be great if they raised it to 5 or something like that.
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Jaina Proudmoar
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.06 21:01:00 -
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We really need no limit to war dec number and the fees removed.
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.10 20:15:00 -
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To those of you Dogz of War who continue to support this topic many thankz!!! Please take the time to add a thumbz up to your post, this makes it eazier for the CSM to evaluate support. Again thankz to all thoze who have viewed this topic, thoze who have posted in support, and thoze who have voiced the oppozition view (I don't agree with those oppozing but it'z great to see pilotz taking this issue seriously).
!!!revo lla ti puah zld FFUTSRU tuaw op I |
jokerb
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.12 07:17:00 -
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12 at least.. 3 pfft lame... |
Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.12 13:25:00 -
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Well I guess the CSM wants to lower the War Dec Limit to ONE or prolly none. Only the negative 10 gank squadz will get pvp in hi sec. Sim Eve from 0.5-1.0 sec. Leastways that is what LaVista Vista told me, he said how about one war dec. I didn't even get to say anything other than Greetingz and I opened a topic in Assembly Hall and thiz guy who ran about how talk to me in game vote for me and all that said he would vote no, I mean how do you present your position if the representativez of the community won't even listen to you. Well at least I know he read this. Guess I will go lower my sec rating and start blowing up noobz like all the other frustrated pvpers. !!!revo lla ti puah zld FFUTSRU tuaw op I |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.12 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Iwant Urstuff Well I guess the CSM wants to lower the War Dec Limit to ONE or prolly none. Only the negative 10 gank squadz will get pvp in hi sec. Sim Eve from 0.5-1.0 sec. Leastways that is what LaVista Vista told me, he said how about one war dec. I didn't even get to say anything other than Greetingz and I opened a topic in Assembly Hall and thiz guy who ran about how talk to me in game vote for me and all that said he would vote no, I mean how do you present your position if the representativez of the community won't even listen to you. Well at least I know he read this. Guess I will go lower my sec rating and start blowing up noobz like all the other frustrated pvpers.
Talk about totally taking what I said too literally.
You convoed me. I'm heading out for Iceland tomorrow for a whole week. So as I told you, I was rather busy. Having to catch up for 7 days worth of everyday doing in just 2 days is hard. Having to go to Iceland isn't holiday at all, which people seem to think.
I did say that if anybody raised this, I would vote no. I argued that the current system is a pay-to-grief system and it should be TOTALLY overhauled before any change is made to said limit. I suggested dropping the limit to 1 in order to prove that 3 is a sweet-spot.
I can see why one would want to increase the limit. But it's a selfish reason in my eyes. Sure, having more targets to shoot at is nice and all. But it doesn't serve any more than that, giving more targets to high-sec griefers.
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.12 13:56:00 -
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I got to say I started a topic and you said you would vote no. Your my elected representative. I didn't even get to say one word about my position and you proposed cutting the limit by 1/3. Your supposed to listen to us and take our views to CCP. The system is clunky and it really suckz. I'm wondering why I even voted in that election. The Negative 10 gank squadz don't even give any warning just BANG your in a pod then Bang your in a clone. Our corp triez to practice PRIVATEERING going after high value targetz who should defend their assetz.
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.12 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Iwant Urstuff Well I guess the CSM wants to lower the War Dec Limit to ONE or prolly none. Only the negative 10 gank squadz will get pvp in hi sec. Sim Eve from 0.5-1.0 sec. Leastways that is what LaVista Vista told me, he said how about one war dec. I didn't even get to say anything other than Greetingz and I opened a topic in Assembly Hall and thiz guy who ran about how talk to me in game vote for me and all that said he would vote no, I mean how do you present your position if the representativez of the community won't even listen to you. Well at least I know he read this. Guess I will go lower my sec rating and start blowing up noobz like all the other frustrated pvpers.
Talk about totally taking what I said too literally.
You convoed me. I'm heading out for Iceland tomorrow for a whole week. So as I told you, I was rather busy. Having to catch up for 7 days worth of everyday doing in just 2 days is hard. Having to go to Iceland isn't holiday at all, which people seem to think.
I did say that if anybody raised this, I would vote no. I argued that the current system is a pay-to-grief system and it should be TOTALLY overhauled before any change is made to said limit. I suggested dropping the limit to 1 in order to prove that 3 is a sweet-spot.
I can see why one would want to increase the limit. But it's a selfish reason in my eyes. Sure, having more targets to shoot at is nice and all. But it doesn't serve any more than that, giving more targets to high-sec griefers.
Can I take ur stuffz while ur gone?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.12 14:06:00 -
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Support:
The limit of 3 is overly restrictive - corporations and alliances should be able to declare war as they see fit as long as they can pay the escalating cost. A new limit of 6 would probably be a fair compromise.
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low26
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2009.01.12 14:32:00 -
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It SHOULD all be risk vs reward I could agree with CCP making a few totally safe systems but you pay a price for that safety. For example, only veldspar rocks the size of pea's spawn there, fly nothing bigger than a cruiser there, and get no better than level 2 missions but, you will be totally safe. Then carebears will have a totally safe place if they truly wish that and they can go there if they don't want to participate in a pvp in a pvp based game but the rewards are much smaller.
All this crap "go to low sec" "go to 0.0" Been there done that I don't like blob warfare and POS'S. And who the heck are you to tell me how to play the game when I use a legal game mechanics to play, quit being lazy and learn game mechanics. Quit trying to have reward with no risk. We need to avoid this game becoming another mindless money grind MMORPG like so many others |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.12 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Support:
The limit of 3 is overly restrictive - corporations and alliances should be able to declare war as they see fit as long as they can pay the escalating cost. A new limit of 6 would probably be a fair compromise.
Alliances can have as many war-decs as they want as far as I'm aware.
The point being that there needs to be a certain barrier to entry for grand-scale war-dec. If you are so serious about war-deccing, then you create an alliance. It's 1 billion, that's a small fee to pay for griefing with no limits. Sure, it does get slightly more expensive. However I think that's entirely fair.
This whole thing only affects small corporations who targets a large amount of other corps. It doesn't affect anybody else. Thus, you can deduce that the mechanic is working entirely as intended. |
Esmenet
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Posted - 2009.01.12 15:28:00 -
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SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.01.12 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: SencneS on 12/01/2009 16:48:02 I'll never support this for one reason. You're using Wardec as a griefing tool rather then what it's function is designed to be.
War Declaration should be used for when one or two corporations have forced you into a situation where War is the only option.
Not as a "Yeah, we're a solid PVP Corp so we'll war dec weak corporations for the soul perpous of grabbing their stuff and making their game experience miserable."
While I support Pirate like activity. Low-sec hunting, can flipping, ninja salvage, hell even suicide ganking is OK but I think it's punishment is not as much as it should be. I do not support out right griefing..
No one should be able to dictate to anyone else how they should play the game. If a player wants to sit in a belt mining, or run missions, or transport courrier contracts, they can. However, no one else should be able force another game style on to anyone.
If War Declaration had actual arbitration it would be much better but that will never happen. So the only way to prevent PVP Corps from forcing their game style onto others is by limitations.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.12 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/01/2009 18:43:30
mispost.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:00:00 -
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I'm supporting this. I know I have far more than just 3 enemies I'd like to go to war with as a corp. Particularly for FW, where vigilantes are all over the place...
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.14 11:54:00 -
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Typical of the big boyz wanting to have all the funz, alliancez can war dec all they wantz but the little guyz get hamstung. LaVista support is growing.
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Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2009.01.14 11:56:00 -
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I disagree
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SharpMango
14th Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:06:00 -
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I give a thumbs down.
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Furb Killer
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:10:00 -
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Same, first fix wardecs. No reason to make it easier to wardec more miners at a time.
And half of the people supporting it here are your own alts... ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Blackjack Turner
Caldari Inverted Awareness
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:01:00 -
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No way. Fix the fact that a corp can war dec another corp then not even bother to fight first. Add an activity timer that forces the deccing corp to engage the decced corp or the war is declared void.
I know, "but all the decced corp has to do is wait out the timer". Duh, it's their prerogetive as they didn't WANT to get decced, eh?
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StarStryder
Zero-Hour
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:07:00 -
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No. If you operate in the way you say then fine, but the war mechanics do not just apply to you. They also apply to the pvp corps who are too scared to go to 0.0 and like to stay in Empire grieving easy targets.
I completely agree with LaVista in saying that the war system needs a complete overhaul.
Bear in mind that war is supposed to allow corps to compete over resources, not to act and as way to slap someone from "dissing" them, which is often what happens (even if you don't).
What I'd like to see is each war needing to have an objection specified. Eg:
Prevent use of asteroid fields in X system Prevent use of lab slots in X station
Once the criteria is fulfulled for Y time (say a week) then the war ends on its own. If target corp resumes the activity within Z time (say a month) then the deccing corp can re-dec for free.
Oh, and the cost should be increased since the aim is to allow competition over resources. If the resources aren't worth a higher wardec fee then why bother in the first place.
So bottom line, thumbs down (Why is there is thumb down icon btw?) for this thread.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: StarStryder No. If you operate in the way you say then fine, but the war mechanics do not just apply to you. They also apply to the pvp corps who are too scared to go to 0.0 and like to stay in Empire grieving easy targets.
I completely agree with LaVista in saying that the war system needs a complete overhaul.
Bear in mind that war is supposed to allow corps to compete over resources, not to act and as way to slap someone from "dissing" them, which is often what happens (even if you don't).
What I'd like to see is each war needing to have an objection specified. Eg:
Prevent use of asteroid fields in X system Prevent use of lab slots in X station
Once the criteria is fulfulled for Y time (say a week) then the war ends on its own. If target corp resumes the activity within Z time (say a month) then the deccing corp can re-dec for free.
Oh, and the cost should be increased since the aim is to allow competition over resources. If the resources aren't worth a higher wardec fee then why bother in the first place.
So bottom line, thumbs down (Why is there is thumb down icon btw?) for this thread.
Nice twist on the victory conditions... a bit complicated... but it makes sense.
War's ARE supposed to be over resources of sum such or another.... problem is... no one bothers to be that creative anymore. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com =============== |
Aiko Intaki
Lodizal Capsuleers Lodizal Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:35:00 -
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Disagree.
The wardec system is broken and needs to be redesigned before the number of wardecs should be expanded. As for the limitation, 3, 6, or 9 wardecs per corp/alliance ultimately shouldn't matter if the system is designed well. At the moment though, it would be too easily abused to harass smaller corps in even greater frequency.
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.15 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Iwant Urstuff on 15/01/2009 23:05:37
Originally by: Blackjack Turner No way. Fix the fact that a corp can war dec another corp then not even bother to fight first. Add an activity timer that forces the deccing corp to engage the decced corp or the war is declared void.
I know, "but all the decced corp has to do is wait out the timer". Duh, it's their prerogetive as they didn't WANT to get decced, eh?
You want better wars, choose better targets. Don't increase the numbers of war decs.
I don't think this is that bad an idea, if u post this in another thread I will support it as long as the timer is equal to the time it takez to get a war dec going, the 24 hours for the vote and 24 hours for the war dec to take effect, for a 48 hour total waiting period, also any shooty shooty be the corp wishing to escape the war dec would cancel the peace drive, (another way for spiez to be effective). I think the corp wishing to avoid war should have to pay iskiez also, and go through the same hassle as a vote and declare peace and all that. I think the devz would need to play around with it a bit and I don't think alliances should be able to use it, just small corps.
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.15 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Same, first fix wardecs. No reason to make it easier to wardec more miners at a time.
And half of the people supporting it here are your own alts...
That just flat iz not true. Yes my corpm8s supported me here, I would think that if you discussed an issue with your corp and then posted it here they would support you too.
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Martha Lightyear
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Posted - 2009.02.15 15:30:00 -
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lemme guess: you are a PVP carebear who will never enter 0.0 nor even lowsec so you need wardec limit to be gone and therefore get more easy kills .
right?
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