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Izen Cracker
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Posted - 2008.12.14 02:45:00 -
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I decided i wanted to build a new kit. After attaching everything to the motherboard i went to turn it on. The led lights in the case blinked on for a half second and wnet dark. Nothing else happened. I'm fearing the worse right now and i feel as tho i may have broken something vital like the motherboard or the CPU. Another possibility would be that the power supply is inadequate. I did do a wattage check and i fall about 250 below my minimum with my kit. So i decided to unplug the components i did not immediately need to save wattage and perhaps be able tot turn the pc on and install the MOBO drivers. It did the exact same thing as the first time, then nothing. The heat sink did not even spin.
When I look at the motherboard led light it is a solid green light signifying that it is in standby mode, however that's as far as I am getting no matter what i do to compensate.
I've been pretty paranoid about the building process from the start, I've even put patches on the back of the new case to make sure that the motherboard did not touch any of the case metal.
Here is my kit:
ASUS M3A78-em AM2+ 780g micro board (ATX)
AMD phenom X4 9850 black edition processor
NVIDIA 8800 GTS 512 MB graphics card (uses PCI-E slot)
Standard DVD/CD rom
Standard CD rom
2 DDR2 ram
Western Digital 80 GB HDD
Western Digital 650 GB HDD
Small TV Tuner in pci regular slot.
Power: 500 watt. (750 minimum is needed but still wont power up the PC when components have been removed. All of the plugs seem to fit into the motherboard and it carries all the connections the motherboard requires.)
This power unit is currently in use in an older computer and is powering it up fine.
Case: Thermaltake VA8000BWS. Has 4 fans. 1 front intake, 2 rear exhaust and one top exhaust. Front and back fans have led lights.
If anyone has any idea or suggestion towards what could have possibly gone wrong please let me know. I'm quite eager to return to EVE now that finals are over, but I definitely need to fix this problem first. My hope is that the power supply is insufficient in more than one way, but lots of signs are pointing to a problem with the mobo. It sucks because I just opened it. Again, there was a steady green standby light on the mobo when I switched the power box on which gets the initial juices flowing, but when I hit the pc power button nothing happens.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.12.14 02:56:00 -
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Its kind of hard to tell from over here  But chances are it's something trivial, like something not plugged in correctly or some shenanigans from the switch in the case.
Rule of thumb: if it doesn't smell burnt, it ain't broken 
No really, I did some really stupid things when building my first pc, and i didnt manage to break anything. It just didnt power on, that's all. (You still might be able to fry stuff with a minimum amount of creativity and/or bad luck.)
Also, I never saw a psu so weak the PC wouldnt at least try to boot. Maybe thats something the mobo has the final say on, I dont know.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.12.14 03:14:00 -
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If I'm not mistaken, unless that is a fairly new bored it will not support AM2+ sockets till its BIOS have been upgraded.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.14 03:36:00 -
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I have to agree that it doesn't appear like you killed something. With a new build that is usually pretty obvious (ie: PSU explodes ).
Have you tried contacting the motherboard manufacturer or the place you bought the motherboard? I've found a system refusing to even attempt a power-up is usually trying to stop you from killing it (loose wire somewhere, wrong plug, chained too many things to a single plug, etc.). But then I've never dealt with a faulty motherboard.
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Izen Cracker
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Posted - 2008.12.14 03:38:00 -
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This motherboard came with the ability to support AMD2+. Not to mention it came as a bundle package with the processor. My issue is that the whole computer will not power on.
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Izen Cracker
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Posted - 2008.12.14 03:40:00 -
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I want to make contacting the manufacturer my last resort =( I have had bad experiences.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 14/12/2008 04:00:18
Well a quick search and the common responses I've seen to your problem similar probems are;
a.) Make sure both power connections to the motherboard are plugged in. (not sure if all motherboards use this or not)
b.) Check jumper settings on the motherboard.
c.) Bad PSU.
Linkage. Different motherboard and older information, but same manufacturer's and sounds like the same problem.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.12.14 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 14/12/2008 03:59:59
Check your CMOS battery (The round penny shaped battery) is fixed down properly. grab some tweasers or something, just dont use your hands, you dont want a CMOS battery getting any oil residue on it.
Its a long shot, but its one more thing to check i guess.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 05:38:00 -
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Nice PC but cheap PSU's are rarely powerful enough to feed a PC like that.
I recommend you buy a good quality PSU if yours is cheap. Thermaltake make some very good PSU's for much cheaper than other 'power user brands'. I have a PC here with an E8400 3.2GHz, 2GB Memory, 8800GTS 320 Ooverclocked being powered by a TT 580W PSU with one 12 and one 16A rail and the PC runs perfectly. While Thermaltake make really bad enthousias (water) cooling their PSU's are fantastic and pretty cheap for the quality.
There are other brands and I highly recommend you do some research as your PC needs and deserves a good PSU to power it. Shame about the video card though, 4850 would have made that 8800GTS weep.
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Phantom Slave
Amarr
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.12.14 07:59:00 -
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Ok so your flea light is on (the green led on the mobo), that's generally a good sign. You said you unplugged the components you didn't need immediately. Exactly what did you unplug? What I would do is unplug power from everything except for the mobo itself. No video card, no harddrive, optical drive, etc. Only mobo. See if it boots.
Make sure you have your internal speaker plugged in so you can hear any beep codes, they work wonders when trying to diagnose a system.
Next if it still doesn't boot with just the mobo plugged in, take out 1 stick of ram. Try again.
If you're still having issues, then here's a silly question but may have been overlooked. Did you put the wafer spacers (orange circles) underneath your mobo on all the contact points where you screw it in? If you didn't, do it now. Could just be a short.
250 watts under the minimum on your system is a huge shortage. When in doubt, go for a higher wattage than what you require. It not only allows you to run your system without issues, but also lets you upgrade other components without having to buy a new psu for more power.
Hmm...I'm exhausted so that's all my brain can come up with for now. Once you've given this all a shot, let us know if you still have issues.
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Fallen Angel's
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Posted - 2008.12.14 09:23:00 -
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I know this seems a silly question, but for how long did you leave the comp AFTER you turned on the psu?
I have a OCZ psu and when it is fist turned on, it lights up, turns off and after 3-4 secs starts again properly. This is a self diagnostic thing that occurs in case there has been a power cut etc.
It only occurs on the first time boot up (first time usage) or after the psu power switch has been turned to off and back on (after, say, ive been cleaning inside the comp). Once it starts it will be instant on like normal UNTIL you you turn the psu switch to off again or have a power cut etc.
The first time this happened I also thought I had a problem and got all panicky.
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Elliot Reid
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.14 11:23:00 -
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A quick check on the Asus website and their cpu checker it says you need an updated bios to recognise the 9850, so if you haven't got the required bios then this may explain the problem.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 15:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Elliot Reid
Edited by: Elliot Reid on 14/12/2008 11:33:09
A quick check on the Asus website and their cpu checker it says you need an updated bios to recognise the 9850, so if you haven't got the required bios then this may explain the problem.
Quoting to confirm. Sounds like this is the issue. Very familiar issue cropped up for a neighbor of mine with a new PC. Flashed the BIOS with an update and it worked like a charm.
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TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:02:00 -
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Duh....
WTF are you trying to do using a 500W psu, the min you might get away with is 600W, better off with 750W+
its the surge on powerup that is killin the system.
try with a real PSU and hope u didnt fry anything the first time
good luck
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Atomos Darksun
Quantum Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
Duh....
WTF are you trying to do using a 500W psu, the min you might get away with is 600W, better off with 750W+
its the surge on powerup that is killin the system.
try with a real PSU and hope u didnt fry anything the first time
good luck
This.
OP, honestly, why did you think you could power 750w's on 500? It's probably a crap PSU or fried one anyways.
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Izen Cracker
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Posted - 2008.12.16 15:13:00 -
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If you guys read my posts more carefully you would understand that i unplugged the components that would jump my min req to 750. the mobo alone would be about 350 along with a hard drive.
the components i unplugged: the graphics card, one hard drive, the CD and dvd drives, tv tuner, and 2 of my fans.
I ordered a 1000 watt power supply to replace the 500. Someone said that the 500 one despite having enough wattage to power just the motherboard may not have the amp or jump to get the thing going.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.12.17 00:19:00 -
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if you try to power on the mobo alone, with some ramsticks and not much else, you should be able to run with much less power.
Also I dont really believe this setup needs 750w.
Somebody explained quite nicely where this unjustified call for "MOAR WATTS" comes from.
In the end it probably boils down to "even the geekiest nerds arent electricians, more often than not."
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Izen Cracker
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Posted - 2008.12.17 05:36:00 -
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I wish it were true puck, but the 750 watt measurement was from the ASUS website after i matched the calculator exactly to my setup.
I tried running with just the motherboard to see if it would work. No go, all i get is the green standby light on the motherboard. So unless i want to sit around in doom and gloom thinking i broke the processor or MB, the only other think i can think of besides something not plugged in right is that the power supply is insufficient for not only powering everything, but even starting. I am still waiting for my shipment in the mail. Regardless, ill have a power supply that i wont have to replace for a long time.
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Phantom Slave
Amarr
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.12.17 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Izen Cracker
I wish it were true puck, but the 750 watt measurement was from the ASUS website after i matched the calculator exactly to my setup.
I tried running with just the motherboard to see if it would work. No go, all i get is the green standby light on the motherboard. So unless i want to sit around in doom and gloom thinking i broke the processor or MB, the only other think i can think of besides something not plugged in right is that the power supply is insufficient for not only powering everything, but even starting. I am still waiting for my shipment in the mail. Regardless, ill have a power supply that i wont have to replace for a long time.
Did you even read my post and give my suggestions a run through?
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Izen Cracker
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Posted - 2008.12.17 17:26:00 -
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yes i have. I dont think my mobo came with orange circle patches, but i installed my own makeshift patch tape to make sure the motherboard isnt even touching the back.
I believe the int speaker was plugged in already, but no way to test if theres no startup
The only thing i have not tried is the one stick of ram idea, but i have already rebuilt this tower and i dont feel like taking it apart again untill i get the new PSU in the mail.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.12.17 17:58:00 -
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Well, as I already said... it's hard to tell from over here...
But there is this off chance one of your ram sticks is borkeneded. In that case (and maybe assuming the pc speaker isnt working properly) you could experience the described symptoms.
Successfully starting it up with each of them installed alone would show you that one of the sticks is broken. Let's assume that's the case... and you get your psu. You install it, and the whole thing still doesnt boot... frustrating, right? Rule it out now, while you got the nerves.
Don't tell me they are so horribly hard to access?
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Phantom Slave
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Izen Cracker
yes i have. I dont think my mobo came with orange circle patches, but i installed my own makeshift patch tape to make sure the motherboard isnt even touching the back.
I believe the int speaker was plugged in already, but no way to test if theres no startup
The only thing i have not tried is the one stick of ram idea, but i have already rebuilt this tower and i dont feel like taking it apart again untill i get the new PSU in the mail.
Ok, if you've given my suggestions a try and your computer still isn't beeping then you may have more of a problem than a PSU. Unplug EVERYTHING from the mobo except the CPU. Even take the RAM out. Try to power it on, does it beep? If not, you may have a dead mobo and/or CPU. Or you have a short somewhere that you just haven't caught yet.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.17 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: P'uck
In the end it probably boils down to "even the geekiest nerds arent electricians, more often than not."
Ironically, I am.
To the OP, what you need to realise that your processor is pulling in the region of 125 watts alone according to AMD (without factoring in any overclocking which can add up to 25w depending on how much of a nutjob you are) That's over a fifth of your PSU's total power output. (for comparison a low wattage G0 stepped Q6600 that's designed to save power consumption still pulls 95-100w at 2.66 GHz without overclocking)
Depending on what your other hardware is drawing you're probably getting a large pulldown of power on starup that's causing your machine to fail to POST.
Looking at a few wikipedia and nvidia pages you're also looking at your 8800GTS pulling around 135w on full load and startup.
I'd seriously consider upgrading your PSU, I had a VERY similar issue with a Striker II Extreme motherboard eariler this year, with 8 gig of RAM, 6 hard disks, 2 9800GX2s and a heavily overclocked q6600 plugged into it.
I ended up having to go from an 750w PSU to a Corsair HX series 1kW PSU to make my machine stable. It sounds like you're suffering from a very similar affliction.
Providing you haven't blown the power supply up by overloading it and caused a voltage surge accross one of the rails, you should be fine and there should be no damage to components.
I'd advise you not to plug the PSU into another PC to test it, as you may damage another PC unwittingly. Check the power output across the molex plugs to make sure the voltage you're getting out is stable.
It sounds like your PSU simply can't handle the power required from all your components, i've had a similar experience with <800W PSUs and it's not uncommon, especially for a PSU as low rated as 500W.
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Izen Cracker
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Posted - 2008.12.17 18:46:00 -
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1: the ram isnt broken, they are currently in the PC im posting in this forum with o.o.
2: I hope that is the case Verone. It's what im counting on till friday when the 1k watt powersupply comes in. It would also answer the question on why the 500 watt supply could not power the motherboard without many of the other components.
3: Too late, the failed PSU is also currently in use with this PC which it accomapnied to begin with. No problems.
4: I dont think I can expect a beep from this particular board if the thing doesn't even power on.
While the PSU isnt necessarily dead, the only two things i can think of are number 2 and the dreaded suggestion made by phantom slave that something is wrong with the mobo/processor.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Izen Cracker
While the PSU isnt necessarily dead, the only two things i can think of are number 2 and the dreaded suggestion made by phantom slave that something is wrong with the mobo/processor.
This may be the case, however I'd be thinking the same as you, that it's a PSU issue.
Good luck either way, I don't think there's anything more annoying than computer troubles. Well, perhaps Terry Wogan, but only just.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
...Well, perhaps Terry Wogan, but only just.
Take that back. THE MAN IS A SAINT.
Especially his work in Stoppit and Tidyup.
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Izen Cracker
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Izen Cracker on 18/12/2008 16:49:23
Power supply came a day earlier! =D wish me luck, going into PC surgery now.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:51:00 -
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/me gets the defibrillator.
DOCTOR, give him 1000 watts! away from the case!
brrrrrrrrrzzzzzt
/me awaits update.
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Angel Lightbringer
Caldari
Dark Evolution Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Izen Cracker
The heat sink did not even spin.
I suggest you make sure the CPU fan is cunnected to the proper header on the motherboard.
The board might not start if it doesn't detect a fan for the CPU at the proper place. It could be connected to a Case fan header.
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Phantom Slave
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Phantom Slave on 18/12/2008 17:51:47
Originally by: Angel Lightbringer
2- Make sure your CPU is supported by the BIOS version you currently have. Read your CPU product/model number real closely and have a look there. I see 7 different BIOS revisions, maybe somthing is wrong with the BIOS and your CPU.
I have no idea how you can check the BIOS version if you don't have another CPU to power it up tho..
Generally there's a Revision number printed on the motherboard. The Rev is the BIOS revision, so you can check online to see if there's any new revision's.
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