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lordloco Ministry of War Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:09:00 - [1] - Quote I am really looking forward to play the game, but when I played it on fanfest the graphic was really bad. But I was also told that the version we played was 3 month old and it would look much better allready I have read about all reviews of the game after fanfest and they are most positiv, but I stumbled on this yesterday and its the first really bad review of Dust 514 even when the writers had been invited by CCP http://www.gamer.no/artikler/108205/sniktitt-dust-514 What they say is that the graphic is very bad, and the enviroment looks very cold and steril. and that the game remind them of 2 other games " Battlefield 2142 og MAG" I also asked about the graphic on the round table and was told that it would become much better, but one of the Devs said " *it will have good graphic , but dont forget its a Free To Play game"* oops that is a very bad thing to say, it can be as free to play as it will, if you release a game in 2012-13 without good - great graphic you will not get anyone to play it It can be as good gameplay as any game, bombbardments , ships , cars, tanks, outfits, remember we do all have HD on every screen , we are used to have good picture and graphic. There is no way in the world around it But I am really looking forward to play it and all my friends , but I have already told them that the good graphic will be released when it goes public and the beta is for adjusting gameplay. But we will not have the roumors that its a good game good gameplay but the graphic is bad, many will not bother to download it I would rather pay for it and get good graphic. :) :) Last quote from the rewiev in gamer.no : " *I am not looking forward to this game* " I became sad when I read it and hope we dont get many reviews like that keep up the good work CCP My 2 cent.
Sri Nova Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:33:00 - [2] - Quote Being compared to 2142 is not a bad thing :)
T' Elk The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension 337	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:41:00 - [3] - Quote I'd care if it wasn't PS3 exclusive. My 2 cents. -T ~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno is coming // The Beard is Back, Ladies and Gents!
Oberine Noriepa 666	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:43:00 - [4] - Quote You should keep in the mind that the PS3 can only render so much on screen. Limitations of the platform are something that the developers have mentioned quite a bit. An eventual PC version will allow developers to realize their vision much further. I'm not arguing the possibility of a PC version -- it's inevitable.
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 229	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:50:00 - [5] - Quote "enviroment looks very cold and steril" Yet it changes depending on where it is on a planet... Bleak brown deserts, Green hills, snowy passes. Then next year lava planets or plasma planets and its constantly going to be refined patch after patch after patch after patch after patch after patch. Like EVE has done. Its not some one trick pony that gets some map packs after a year and then dies tell the sequel. I think as long as they get the core game down as fun. it wont matter if the bullet casings are HD or not.
Solhild Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 661	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:51:00 - [6] - Quote At the end of the day, if it isn't a quality experience then it'll fail. Obviously I hope it's a quality experience
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 230	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:02:00 - [7] - Quote Solhild wrote: At the end of the day, if it isn't a quality experience then it'll fail. Obviously I hope it's a quality experience Quite. While I love watching worlds burn, I generally would rather it be one I'm not part of.
Meryl SinGarda Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team 446	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:02:00 - [8] - Quote Not that I have anything against it, but if it doesn't look like Quake, it's fine. Also, graphics aren't everything. Anyone who bases an opinion almost entirely on graphic quality, in my own opinion, loses all validity. CEO of B.U.T.T. -á(recruitment is open) Twitter: @MerylSinGarda http://EVEportraits.com
DarkAegix Acetech Systems 1086	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:15:00 - [9] - Quote I was pretty miffed when I heard DUST 514 would be running on Unreal Engine 3. It can only ever seem to render 3 shades of brown and grey. Let's hope that CCP inject some colour, then add a few fairly cheap graphical effects. Lens flares, vibrant colours, trees, a high-res skybox, and depth of field can go a long way.
Oberine Noriepa 666	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:18:00 - [10] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: I was pretty miffed when I heard DUST 514 would be running on Unreal Engine 3. It can only ever seem to render 3 shades of brown and grey. Let's hope that CCP inject some colour, then add a few fairly cheap graphical effects. Lens flares, vibrant colours, trees, a high-res skybox, and depth of field can go a long way. There are plenty of great looking Unreal Engine 3 games. Mirror's Edge, for example. I agree with your bolded statement, however.
lordloco Ministry of War Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.04.12 07:39:00 - [11] - Quote Meryl SinGarda wrote: Not that I have anything against it, but if it doesn't look like Quake, it's fine. Also, graphics aren't everything. Anyone who bases an opinion almost entirely on graphic quality, in my own opinion, loses all validity. I have played many games with poor-ok quality, and I will play dust 514 no matter what. But what ever we mean, its a fact that graphic and enviroment has become important in any review. What I am saying is that graphic is also important in the gameexperience. If it looks like Quake its not fine at all, thats my opinion.
Gilbaron Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke 190	Posted - 2012.04.12 07:41:00 - [12] - Quote i heard people are playing minecraft
lordloco Ministry of War Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.04.12 08:06:00 - [13] - Quote Gilbaron wrote: i heard people are playing minecraft Yes that is correcct, me and my son does, fantastic game. But I dont think thats a good selling quote for Dust. Cant quite see peoples that have played BF and COD be exited, Here is a new fantastic F2P game , great gameplay and it looks like Minecraft.... I do recall they whant players to move from BF, Mass Effect and COD... to Dust 514.....
knobber Jobbler 153	Posted - 2012.04.12 08:15:00 - [14] - Quote It lost me as there is no destructible environment. It just doesn't look to be in the same league as BF3.
Ciar Meara Virtus Vindice 583	Posted - 2012.04.12 08:58:00 - [15] - Quote I was pretty reassured from what I saw coming from fanfest. I hope they'll add more stuff graphics wise but atm I am pretty happy with the look. I so would like to see destructible environments though. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Alpheias Euphoria Released 595	Posted - 2012.04.12 08:58:00 - [16] - Quote knobber Jobbler wrote: It lost me as there is no destructible environment. It just doesn't look to be in the same league as BF3. Which is only half true because only certain structures can be destroyed and because you can only bring down specific structures in the BF universe, I find your argument flawed. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more
Xndr 78 TRIGGER FINGER - E.O.D 0	Posted - 2012.04.15 17:13:00 - [17] - Quote I really hope that DUST will have, at least, better textures, because what I've seen here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt0_dWSyVKI , it makes me sad. I'm still looking forward to play this game because of its unique gameplay, already bought PS3 for that, but graphics on fanfest videos is definitely outdated My home system is a myth.
ElQuirko Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 558	Posted - 2012.04.15 17:22:00 - [18] - Quote Graphics mean errything? One word (made of two): Minecraft. Erry hipster and their mom plays that. If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA?
Xndr 78 TRIGGER FINGER - E.O.D 0	Posted - 2012.04.15 17:33:00 - [19] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: Graphics mean errything? One word (made of two): Minecraft. Erry hipster and their mom plays that. Not everything, but depends on game type. For massive FPS game - graphics means a lot. My home system is a myth.
Ische Qou Ische Shipbuilding Corporation 0	Posted - 2012.04.15 18:53:00 - [20] - Quote Blood and gore (and slavery) is more important than most modern graphics.
Serene Repose Perkone Caldari State 584	Posted - 2012.04.15 19:38:00 - [21] - Quote Could we move this to the children's section? Thanks! Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold
Baneken Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate 102	Posted - 2012.04.15 19:52:00 - [22] - Quote So those are bad graphics today ? Damn I guess I should buy a new rig then and get some new games.
Herping yourDerp Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 487	Posted - 2012.04.15 20:40:00 - [23] - Quote MAG is an awesome game honestly its the only PS3 exclusive i played and thought "damn i wish similar was on 360" BF 2142 was a good game as well game play is what matters. the titan battles were awesome. look at minecraft, graphics suck awesome gameplay = great game. and lol at buthurt pc fanboys that still haven't grown up enough to realize console owns the shooter, RPG, sports, flight, and racing genres of games.
eliorra DOCTOR NIPPLES RETREAT 5	Posted - 2012.04.15 20:47:00 - [24] - Quote A comment i heard somewhere was that graphics are good but i's a little too greyish and dusty. Where are all the flowers and rainbows!
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 297	Posted - 2012.04.15 20:47:00 - [25] - Quote lordloco wrote: I am really looking forward to play the game, but when I played it on fanfest the graphic was really bad. But I was also told that the version we played was 3 month old and it would look much better allready I have read about all reviews of the game after fanfest and they are most positiv, but I stumbled on this yesterday and its the first really bad review of Dust 514 even when the writers had been invited by CCP http://www.gamer.no/artikler/108205/sniktitt-dust-514 What they say is that the graphic is very bad, and the enviroment looks very cold and steril. and that the game remind them of 2 other games " Battlefield 2142 og MAG" I also asked about the graphic on the round table and was told that it would become much better, but one of the Devs said " *it will have good graphic , but dont forget its a Free To Play game"* oops that is a very bad thing to say, it can be as free to play as it will, if you release a game in 2012-13 without good - great graphic you will not get anyone to play it It can be as good gameplay as any game, bombbardments , ships , cars, tanks, outfits, remember we do all have HD on every screen , we are used to have good picture and graphic. There is no way in the world around it But I am really looking forward to play it and all my friends , but I have already told them that the good graphic will be released when it goes public and the beta is for adjusting gameplay. But we will not have the roumors that its a good game good gameplay but the graphic is bad, many will not bother to download it I would rather pay for it and get good graphic. :) :) Last quote from the rewiev in gamer.no : " *I am not looking forward to this game* " I became sad when I read it and hope we dont get many reviews like that keep up the good work CCP My 2 cent. It's not the graphics that make a game great. It's the gameplay. Take Amnesia: Dark Descent as an example. It doesn't have stellar graphics, but the gameplay and the storyline is riveting and to the point. It draws you in so much, that you don't care about the graphics. You only care about staying alive. People still play that game for the thrill of being scared. Then there are the Mario games. Graphics are childish, but adults still play it. There are plenty of others, but you should get my point. Graphics mean nothing if the gameplay is pathetic. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you.
Jessie-A Tassik Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2012.04.15 21:34:00 - [26] - Quote It's got a good amount of blues and greens. At least it's not like the god-awful level 50 area of Rifts. Oh yes, let's get people to spend most of their time in a very, very ugly area. Their artist team does seem to have the basics at least. No "grim ugly future" bleep. Could be prettier though. Balance though? Hee-hee no.
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance 123	Posted - 2012.04.15 21:38:00 - [27] - Quote Graphics are pretty important for FPS as are physics in almost equal measure. That video actually doesn't look too bad for a pre-beta though it's not strictly representative of the whole game but rather of ground troops and tanks only. Texture side of it is a bit lacking and it certainly lacks destructable environments; hopefully that comes in later though. Destructible environments doesn't have to be all encompassing either; though it would certainly be nice, I'm not sure PS3 or even the average high-end PC could handle it. Still, shredding and burning trees and foilage, blowing holes in doors and windows, and knocking down and destroying simple structures goes a long way. Obviously any future bunkers should be expected to be well constructed and rssist all but very heavy weaponry though. A forge gun might for example only chip away at the exterior of a bunker while lesser weapons do no appreciable damage whatsoever. Tanks however are intended to take down structures and defenses, and that is their primary role on the battlefield aside from countering other heavy weapons and vehicles. It's all a matter of perspective though. We're not talking about stick and tin shacks in some jungle here, but heavily fortified bunkers and habitats on habitable and inhospitable planets. Essentially, all of these places are expected to be warzones at some time or another, and you can expect they would be built for such Point being destructible is important on some levels and not so important on others. Being able to knock down a wall the defenders are hiding behind with a tank could help greatly in overcoming an objective Graphics side of it looks pretty good on the level of animations and models which all seem to be pretty high quality and well constructed. Obviously, also very typical of most high-end shooters; at least with regard to the animations. The Textures on the guns seem to be better than the dropsuits which look to need some serious work, being very drab and poorly defined at this stage. The environment itsaelf looks like it could use some work in some places as well The drop in scene was kind of weird and I'm not at all sure what the intent is there. Looks like you're at the edge of a balcony on a tower or something, and not at all anywhere near the battlefield. Also, the ground looks particularly poor in this and other scenes, though you notice it much more here where it appears to be feet away despite being some 200 meters down if the structure is any indication. Structure looks bad too, but hopefully things like that will change Arena environment mostly looked good, but I suppose they've put some work into it to. Tank wasn't bad either and you could see it moved with some purpose and had pretty smooth animations. A previous video I saw had LAVs that jounced and bounced around like rubber balls and bands while players standing erect exited them in midair some 20 feet off the ground and all crashed down into one big jumble on both sides. That was representative of what I'm not looking for here. It disappointed me and temporarily put me off the whole thing Physics are important. If someone jumps out of a vehicle 20-40 feet off the ground it should be an aircraft or hover vehicle and unless it is hovering, they should be flung ragdoll with little chance of escaping unscathed. There is no reason a vehicle on wheels weighing two tons and traveling 42 km per hour should get that high off the ground unless it drives off a clif If you are going to have the ability to make daring jumps from high velocity vehicles, then at least animate the jump so they actually look like they're trying to survive rather than dropping verticle from a helicopter hovering 20 feet off the water or in the middle of a walking step from one rock to another with a smile on their silly face Granted, it's funny and we all have a laugh when we're doing some sill stunt in a game like that, but it's not very realistic and we can do that in a browser game like Battlefield Heroes. Part of the reason this is important is because it makes the battlefield too unpredictable when someone can just toss a jeep 85 feet through the air and pop out of it somewhere shooting without really needed to compensate for falling, velocity or anything else really because they'll land unharmed unless someone shoots them. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude.
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance 123	Posted - 2012.04.15 22:16:00 - [28] - Quote I might add that one of the primary reason textures are important in an FPS is that it makes target selection, identification, and aquisition a lot easier if you have more detailed and vibrant textures on character and vehicle models. With drab, poor quality textures on the environment, vehicles, and characters you are essentially walking through the battlefield nearsighted with everything blurry and out of focus at a distance greater than 2 meters. It becomes hard to tell the difference between a tank and a dropsuit or a piece of debris and you begin to rely solely on movement to locate and identify your targets unless they are in front of something that provides a contrast to their own textures. Low res textures all tend to blend together, particularly as you look further out. Camoflage is what it is too of course and shouldn't be discounted but even that is only so useful in hiding a person or vehicle from detection at even long distance. A lot of what I saw was sort of like that and blurry vision. If the tank hadn't been black or dark blue, I wouldn't have been able to identify it. Fortunately, we have mouse over target selection, but really, is that a reliable means of target aquisition when you can't tell your friends from your enemies? It should be easier to identify the difference between an ally and enemy than that. If you waste your time pointing your gun at a nearby dropsuit that turns out to be an ally, how many might you have missed? Was it enough time wasted on that effort to get yourself killed? Most likely in many cases. It's also important to have some way of defining the difference between allies and enemies through a sort of visual recognition system. Perhaps a holo-tag strictly visible on allies above their left shoulder shown on your visors HUD and easily explainable by an electronic tagging system. That way you only have to look and you can limit it to a 30 degree FoV so it's not always visible. Of course, much better would be Corp/Team Logos visible on their suits. We've discussed this for ships in EVE; why not for similar applications in Dust using the same technology. I'd like that better than a pop-up holo image personally as it's much easier to exlplain and-more importantly-doesn't clutter up the HUD. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude.
Vangelios Hedion University Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2012.04.16 00:02:00 - [29] - Quote For those who do not own PS3, and not familiar with PS3 capability. You really shouldn't expect miracles out of 2005 graphic hardware. While cell processor (CPU) with 256MB ram is still competent, nvidia rsx @550Mhz (GPU) with 256MB vram is outdated (based on Nvidia GeForce 7800 Architecture). Without tricks of using CPU to help GPU, graphics would be total disaster for 2012 mindset. In reality 95% games run on 720p or lower, only small number of games run at 1080p. Many games don't have proper Anti-alias routines, and are far from comparable with those running on modern PC gaming rigs. PS3 is reaching the end of its natural lifetime. less than 4 years, not verified. ...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark...
D3F4ULT 44	Posted - 2012.04.16 00:28:00 - [30] - Quote People like the one who reviewed the game (not released yet) is the garbage of the FPS genre. People like you who judge a book by its cover are the death of original gameplay. CCP isn't EA, producing garbage quality games with shiny graphics. (DICE produced BF3, which is amazing though) Metal Gear Solid is so amazing on the Playstation and I replay it every now and then, regardless of the ****** graphics (compared to today's terms) the game play is just astounding. Please take back everything you said and go play your 12 year old infested games such as Call of Duty and Halo and go to work, lunch, or class talking about "OHWMGAWD you should have seen this triple kill no scope I got the other day." While instead I will be talking about how I changed the waves of war. Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs )

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