"Give us money so we can set up a starbase. We'll let you 'own' half of it (and pay for half the fuel too)!"

Seems legit.

As a voting member of the IPI council, I can tell you that as long as Vechtor is a member of your corporation I will never support such a partnership.

Given all that he's been involved with in the past, I trust him less than the squids and that's quite an accomplishment.

Fire him publicly and I'd be willing to entertain a discussion. Otherwise this is a dead deal in my book.

"Give us money so we can set up a starbase. We'll let you 'own' half of it (and pay for half the fuel too)!"

Seems legit.

I'm always looking for a good investment, and would be happy to purchase a majority stake in your venture. I can provide as much seed money as you require.

Contact me if this is of interest.

Thank you Ms Vitalia. My proposition was directed to IPI because theoreticaly they are the most interested part working towards real Intaki prosperity. But I don't see why we coudn't study other models...

I'll get in touch with you.

the responsibility to assemble, keep and refuel half the costs of a station

The other half of the installation costs, as well as half the costs of refueling the station and any other costs with defense the station

IPI would have someone in charge to manage ship manufacturing contracts, meaning:

- To accept mineral/components and BPCs needed to assemble ships at Intaki 5-5 Astral Mining station, charging the same price CAS station at Agoze would charge and openly from any interested capsuleer;
- To transport given materials and blueprints to the shipyards in order to begin ship manufacturing;
- To transport finished ships back to Astral Mining station at 5-5 in order to be delivered to the contractor;
- To keep registry of every ship manufactured at the shipyards for auditing purposes and publicity to the Intaki society;

What I'm offering is the sharing of risks

I'm sorry but portraiting Vechtor of something he isn't with such strong proofs to support his defense is something that is completely outside our agenda. Vechtor has a history of dedicated works towards Intaki security and prosperity that goes way beyound your efforts to that same end.

By the way I never saw you in Intaki.

Please let me take a moment to ensure I understand your proposition correctly.

You would like to cooperate with IPI to build what you believe would be the first "true" Intaki shipyard.

For the moment, let's set aside the fact that only members of the corporation which owns the starbase (and their alliance-mates, where applicable) can be granted roles to access deployed arrays, which means there can be no "shared" ownership--for IPI to be "responsible" for everything you are proposing, DuPont could not assemble nor "keep" the starbase.

Really? You want me, as IPI President, to ask our industrial pilots to effectively double their work? Then you want me, as ILF Isha-Sainika, to ask ILF's combat pilots to double their work? While you contribute......essentially nothing other than some fuel blocks? Exactly what risk would you be sharing?

This proposition seems more like 5%-10% responsibility for DuPont and 90%-95% work for IPI.

If you want to foster cooperation between your organization and IPI, perhaps DuPont would consider contributing the fuel blocks or equivalent ISK of what you figure you would have spent on this "true Intaki shipyard" to the existing ILF starbase.

As for Layla Saitana's comments... She is a duly appointed representative to IPI and her voice carries much weight in the council. Personally, I also happen to agree with her.

The current ILF starbase is not a public shipyard in the sense that no one can freely fill a pipeline of industrial manufacturing such as people normaly do on general megacorps stations. Why would anyone justify donating such big ammount of resources on something that is not so clearly working towards anyone but ILF and IPI?

You are free to agree with whomever... I am free to point out that by agreeing such way you woudn't be listening...

Amusingly enough, the same could be said of your proposal. Just swap out the acronyms and a couple words:

The proposed DUPO starbase would not be a public shipyard in the sense that no one can freely fill a pipeline of industrial manufacturing such as people normaly do on general megacorps stations. Why would anyone justify donating such a big amount of resources on something that is not so clearly working towards anyone but DUPO?

I think she's listening, she's just not selling what you're buying.

Probably because the whole thing reads like the great potential for scamming.

What I'm offering is the sharing of risks on something truly great to the Intaki community, something that would bring attention from anyone in New Eden. Suffice to say that if IPI takes it into consideration without DuPont Enterprises help as I'm offering, or taking other parties help, the same goal would be achieved. In my understanding, a more legitimate one than simply using Agoze CAS station in terms of Intaki Prosperity initiatives.

This is cute.

Did Vechtor put you up to this, Jeane DuPont?

Of course he did. Vechtor is a reasonable person.

Its a shame I-RED wasn't the one to make those efforts before. Understandable, tho, given I-RED is strictly military.

Something like that.

...which woudn't stop you from evaluating the idea without prejudgements...

Ironactly stating it is "cute" adds nothing.

Doesn't make sense, because the idea was to create something different than what you are saying, as I stated above. I just wrote that this woudn't be a DUPO POS because my proposition would be for ILF [IPI] to be in control of it.

No, what doesn't make sense is how you think a tower anchored by someone in DUPO, which makes it a DUPO POS by definition, can be controlled by someone outside of DUPO. Clearly you've never even looked into how tower access works. Only pilots who are registered members of the corporation that anchored the tower - and have the appropriate roles activated for their account - can work with a tower or its attached facilities. Anyone outside of that corporation, even within the same alliance, cannot do anything meaningful.

If the IPI wants a tower they will be in control of, they will put one up themselves.

Oh wait. They already did.

The idea would be sound were it made between parties who have already established trust and goodwill between them. DuPont Enterprises has not. Before you start launching risky and trust-sensitive joint ventures with the IPI, I think you should first tackle the rather ill reputation your oft named member has brought to your corporation.

Simply put; it wouldn't be so bad if someone more reputable than you were suggesting this. (Which incidentally, is exactly what's 'cute' about this situation.)

Katrina, I'm sorry, but with regard to what reputation are you referring to?

How many kills I have for I-RED? How many kills I have for KISEC? How many kills I have for ILF and how many kills I had for ICC while it was an I-RED member?

If you are referring to the reputation of threatening ILF of destruction, can you prove the original idea was mine? Because I can prove you it isn't, and as matter of fact if I read this one more time, I'll make all the NEOCOM transmissions I have about this issue public, right here, in the IGS, on a different thread.

As for ILF already having erected a POS in Intaki, yes they did, they used to have a station called Prosperity Station which also happened to have a shipyrard where all those ships manufactured by them were put to sell at Intaki 5-5. Production on those shipyards had to be stoped when ILF was accused of collaborating with State Protectorate forces and facing a war against Moira. as you can study on this following links:

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1265770

http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3760&tid=7

What you don't know is that by this time, Vechtor was one of the major colaborators to ILF by trading huge ammounts of minerals out and into Intaki filling many contracts Apollonius had put as well as many minerals buy orders Apollonius Verus had placed in 5-5 so the "manufacturing machine" could be kept at work.

Its amazing what we have filled in our databanks regarding Intaki history...

I don't know how this could be a scam if DUPO would be taking this ammount of risks with things happening in a pipeline where things don't happen if previous organization doesn't take place.

not Jacus ******* Roden.