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maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.17 12:50:00 - [1] Edited by: maralt on 17/12/2008 12:51:16 Originally by: MADDOGzors Scenario 1 - Lets say you're one of the few solo battleship pilots left out there. You roam all night, finally find a fight and get your fraps going. But of course the guy uncloaks his falcon alt and ruins it. Not only does it stomp on your fun, but you just lost footage for your movie you're trying to make because you sat there jammed for 5 minutes and slowly die to opponents you out-skill. If your in a gunnery BS he could uncloak a recon with tracking disruptors and have the same effect if not better as he would be guaranteed to disrupt your tracking instead of being chance based. Damps are also highly effective against solo ships when used correctly. Originally by: MADDOGzors Scenario 2 - You and your 5 man gang go out looking for some good fights. You have 4 battleships and a heavy dictor. You find a gang that out numbers you but being ****y and knowing you can take them you engage. They uncloak 2 falcons and you're all perma-jammed. Fun, and the fight, ruined again. I see the words perma-jamming/jammed a lot in these threads and it always makes me chuckle. But even without that exaggeration the fact is that a mixed and versatile gang that includes ewar in it should be considerably more effective than a gang without it.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.17 13:10:00 - [2] Most ppl i see against ecm are the sort that love to fly in their solo or 2-3 man teams running around and setup knowing almost exactly what they can beat and cannot beat. Falcons and ECM throw a spanner in the works of these rather stagnant type of pvpers by forcing them to adapt their style fittings and ship choices.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:06:00 - [3] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer How many BS in general pvp fitted can tank 150+dps permanently? A taranis can push way over 200dps for example. Most of them can tank 150-200 dps considerably longer than a ceptor can tank 5 light drones tbh.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:14:00 - [4] Originally by: RedWyvern I'm not going to get stuck knee deep into this one, checking killboards the other day, I've seen one kill with 8 Falcons out of a total of perhaps 15-17 ships on the mail. Even in the days of Scorpion supremacy years and years ago, I don't remember a single ship ever being so dominant in small fleet combat. Wanna tell us how you coordinate 8 falcons with 5-6 jammers each so they are effective against their available 40 targets?. Cos i can tell ya that even if you fit the each falcons racial specific your still wasting a lot of ships and jams because of overlapping. Their is a limit to the effectiveness of falcons/ECM in larger scale combat due to the impossibility of target assignment over larger or even medium sized hostile ship numbers.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:56:00 - [5] Edited by: maralt on 18/12/2008 19:57:04 Originally by: RedWyvern Originally by: maralt Wanna tell us how you coordinate 8 falcons with 5-6 jammers each so they are effective against their available 40 targets?. Cos i can tell ya that even if you fit the each falcons racial specific your still wasting a lot of ships and jams because of overlapping. Their is a limit to the effectiveness of falcons/ECM in larger scale combat due to the impossibility of target assignment over larger or even medium sized hostile ship numbers. In this instance it was eight falcons out of a total of twenty ships, maximum. I'm not claiming anything about the feasibility of what you suggested, (though I'd say it's possible with some clever fleet structure and a bit of practice) but what I do suggest is that a single ship type reaches this proportion in a gang, then it probably signifies something. 8 is theoretically possable i suppose if you set your overviews to ship type, have each falcon fitted racial specific so 2 falcons with all amarr racials, 2 with caldari, 2 with gallente and 2 with mini. Then you assigned one of the each race fitted falcons to start jamming their particular preferred racial type ships from the top of the overview and one from the bottom, but even so a lot of jams would be wasted due to the opposing fleet not having the exact setup of ships to make it fully effective.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:08:00 - [6] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: maralt Their is a limit to the effectiveness of falcons/ECM in larger scale combat due to the impossibility of target assignment over larger or even medium sized hostile ship numbers. PROOF or STFU! mkay? OMG A EMOTARD. It is rather obvious that nobody can assign 8 falcons with 6 jammers per falcon (thats 48 jammers btw) each to a individual ship effectively. Unless you would like to tell me how to target call 48 ships between 6 falcons. I do not need proof because anybody who plays eve knows its imposable, but if you think i am wrong PROVE ME WRONG OR STFU yourself NOOBTARD.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:30:00 - [7] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: maralt I do not need proof because anybody who plays eve knows its imposable, PROOF, or stfu. Prove what?. It is imposable to assign 48 jammers from 6 falcons to 48 individual ships in combat. Prove me wrong or you stfu.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:10:00 - [8] Originally by: sdthujfg PROOF? You ask it all the time and ask people to stfu. Oh so its just a pathetic troll...... Originally by: sdthujfg I want proof for this: "It is imposable to assign 48 jammers from 6 falcons to 48 individual ships in combat." If you need proof of that you do not play the game as its blindingly obvious for starters the time it would take to call out 48 ship names makes it utterly impractical in a combat situation.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:29:00 - [9] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: maralt If you need proof of that you do not play the game as its blindingly obvious I could say the same about you considering the amount of crap there is in your posts. Enlighten us oh trolly one, what in particular do you find so untrue about my facts in eve?. And if my facts are so wrong why not give your own points to debunk them?.......
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.19 15:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Cpt Obviously Soon it will end with every gang having 50% falcons. If everyone just flies around jamming each other the risk in EVE will be removed. The only competition will be who can jam the others the most since the tiny DPS slipping through will easily be tankable by anyone. Let the Jam Online games begin! Over a certain number (a rather small number in fact) jam ships like the falcon become irrelevant as it is imposable to assign so many individual jams to so many individual ships with any real accuracy. It is a tactical ship that is only really effective in small to med sized gangs.

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