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Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.07.17 23:52:00 -
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Gate Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems are completely usless !
I am calling for CCP to either make them effective against all classes of ships including BS's or remove them altogether because the only classes of ships these turrets can kill with 100% effectiveness are Cruisers or Frigates. A suitably equipped BS can ignore Gate Turrets with no fear of losing a ship.
BTW - This includes Gate or Station Turrets not just Gate Turrets. |
Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.07.17 23:52:00 -
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Gate Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems are completely usless !
I am calling for CCP to either make them effective against all classes of ships including BS's or remove them altogether because the only classes of ships these turrets can kill with 100% effectiveness are Cruisers or Frigates. A suitably equipped BS can ignore Gate Turrets with no fear of losing a ship.
BTW - This includes Gate or Station Turrets not just Gate Turrets. |
Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.07.17 23:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
...because the only classes of ships these turrets can kill with 100% effectiveness are Cruisers or Frigates.
... and Industrials, Interceptors etc. In fact, the only ship that can withstand sentry guns for a short while is a properly tanked Bship (groups of ships are different).
What was your point again? That you can't afford a battleship and want to make pirating in cruisers and frigates easier?
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.07.17 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
...because the only classes of ships these turrets can kill with 100% effectiveness are Cruisers or Frigates.
... and Industrials, Interceptors etc. In fact, the only ship that can withstand sentry guns for a short while is a properly tanked Bship (groups of ships are different).
What was your point again? That you can't afford a battleship and want to make pirating in cruisers and frigates easier?
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.07.18 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jazz Bo
Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
...because the only classes of ships these turrets can kill with 100% effectiveness are Cruisers or Frigates.
... and Industrials, Interceptors etc. In fact, the only ship that can withstand sentry guns for a short while is a properly tanked Bship (groups of ships are different).
What was your point again? That you can't afford a battleship and want to make pirating in cruisers and frigates easier?
For those who cannot read or are too lazy to read... My point was that "Gate/Station Turrets are completely useless in 0.1 - 0.4 systems and should be fixed or removed..." |
Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.07.18 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jazz Bo
Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
...because the only classes of ships these turrets can kill with 100% effectiveness are Cruisers or Frigates.
... and Industrials, Interceptors etc. In fact, the only ship that can withstand sentry guns for a short while is a properly tanked Bship (groups of ships are different).
What was your point again? That you can't afford a battleship and want to make pirating in cruisers and frigates easier?
For those who cannot read or are too lazy to read... My point was that "Gate/Station Turrets are completely useless in 0.1 - 0.4 systems and should be fixed or removed..." |
Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.07.18 00:31:00 -
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well now you're contradicting yourself, b/c they are not completely useless if they can kill anything but a properly tanked battleship. Their use would be killing frigates, industrials, interceptors, cruisers, & improperly tanked battleships :P
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.07.18 00:31:00 -
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well now you're contradicting yourself, b/c they are not completely useless if they can kill anything but a properly tanked battleship. Their use would be killing frigates, industrials, interceptors, cruisers, & improperly tanked battleships :P
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.18 00:36:00 -
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They aren't supposed to make you invulnerable you know?
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.18 00:36:00 -
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They aren't supposed to make you invulnerable you know?
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.07.18 00:41:00 -
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No they do the job they are supposed to do. They act as a deterent. Just cause they can be worked around doesnt make them useless.
A fence around your house can be climbed with great ease but you still put one up cause it acts as a deterent. The sentries job is not to be completely godlike.
I know this because it would require no effort for ccp to make them do 40000 dmg per hit at full grid range. As such it seems obvious they want to allow killing to occur at gates when ppl are setup to do so, but keep the random guy flying around from killing anyone they want in empire.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.07.18 00:41:00 -
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No they do the job they are supposed to do. They act as a deterent. Just cause they can be worked around doesnt make them useless.
A fence around your house can be climbed with great ease but you still put one up cause it acts as a deterent. The sentries job is not to be completely godlike.
I know this because it would require no effort for ccp to make them do 40000 dmg per hit at full grid range. As such it seems obvious they want to allow killing to occur at gates when ppl are setup to do so, but keep the random guy flying around from killing anyone they want in empire.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.07.18 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Gate Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems are completely usless !
I am calling for CCP to either make them effective against all classes of ships including BS's or remove them altogether because the only classes of ships these turrets can kill with 100% effectiveness are Cruisers or Frigates. A suitably equipped BS can ignore Gate Turrets with no fear of losing a ship.
BTW - This includes Gate or Station Turrets not just Gate Turrets.
Erm...
No.
Sentries are powerful. Trying to kill a BS in a BS and tanking sentries is dangerous. Using 2 or 3 BS to kill one is easier, but finally using more resources has to be rewarded somehow.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.07.18 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Gate Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems are completely usless !
I am calling for CCP to either make them effective against all classes of ships including BS's or remove them altogether because the only classes of ships these turrets can kill with 100% effectiveness are Cruisers or Frigates. A suitably equipped BS can ignore Gate Turrets with no fear of losing a ship.
BTW - This includes Gate or Station Turrets not just Gate Turrets.
Erm...
No.
Sentries are powerful. Trying to kill a BS in a BS and tanking sentries is dangerous. Using 2 or 3 BS to kill one is easier, but finally using more resources has to be rewarded somehow.
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.07.18 02:20:00 -
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heh, methinks he wants guard-whacking ala Trammell... *shudders*
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.07.18 02:20:00 -
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heh, methinks he wants guard-whacking ala Trammell... *shudders*
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.07.18 04:28:00 -
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Jacque, having read a number of your posts recently, I've come to the conclusion that you're the epitomy of a carebear.
Therefor I feel it is my duty to ask you, please, consider someone other than yourself.
Thanks.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.07.18 04:28:00 -
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Jacque, having read a number of your posts recently, I've come to the conclusion that you're the epitomy of a carebear.
Therefor I feel it is my duty to ask you, please, consider someone other than yourself.
Thanks.
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Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.07.18 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ris Dnalor
well now you're contradicting yourself, b/c they are not completely useless if they can kill anything but a properly tanked battleship. Their use would be killing frigates, industrials, interceptors, cruisers, & improperly tanked battleships :P
Yeah, I guess there are a lot of players using easy to kill ships to gank peeps at the Gates/Stations in 0.1 - 0.4 systems, huh ? - LMAO
Let me rephrase - Gate/Station Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems are completely usless in keeping properly tanked BS's from ganking peeps. If the goal as to achieve this useless state of affairs then I stand corrected and I'll learn how to proply tank my BS's and join those who like to gank others.
Personally I find the use of such tactics as being just this side of chicken-sh_t but that's just me. On the other hand tanking a BS to withstand Gate/Station Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems does seem to me to be a very nice "exploit" of game mechanics. Why CCP doesn't share this perspective amuses me - on the other hand I have long believed the worst PC rats in the game are really CCP employees in disguise. |
Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.07.18 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ris Dnalor
well now you're contradicting yourself, b/c they are not completely useless if they can kill anything but a properly tanked battleship. Their use would be killing frigates, industrials, interceptors, cruisers, & improperly tanked battleships :P
Yeah, I guess there are a lot of players using easy to kill ships to gank peeps at the Gates/Stations in 0.1 - 0.4 systems, huh ? - LMAO
Let me rephrase - Gate/Station Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems are completely usless in keeping properly tanked BS's from ganking peeps. If the goal as to achieve this useless state of affairs then I stand corrected and I'll learn how to proply tank my BS's and join those who like to gank others.
Personally I find the use of such tactics as being just this side of chicken-sh_t but that's just me. On the other hand tanking a BS to withstand Gate/Station Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems does seem to me to be a very nice "exploit" of game mechanics. Why CCP doesn't share this perspective amuses me - on the other hand I have long believed the worst PC rats in the game are really CCP employees in disguise. |
Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.07.18 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Jacque, having read a number of your posts recently, I've come to the conclusion that you're the epitomy of a carebear.
Therefor I feel it is my duty to ask you, please, consider someone other than yourself.
Thanks.
Yeah, I am a carebear with a -2.29 sec rating - LMAO !
But then I also ganked a Caracal whilst in my Scorpion just cuz it happened to warp into a belt where I was hunting in some named 0.2 system... the Caracal died really fast and I wasn't even trying to kill it much (actually the game CTD'd after I launched my drones and fired 2 missiles). My sec rating would be -5 by now had I not chosen to refrain from ganking so I don't get banned from 0.9+ systems.
Gee, I didn't know "carebears" were also criminals in EVE. - LMAO |
Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.07.18 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Jacque, having read a number of your posts recently, I've come to the conclusion that you're the epitomy of a carebear.
Therefor I feel it is my duty to ask you, please, consider someone other than yourself.
Thanks.
Yeah, I am a carebear with a -2.29 sec rating - LMAO !
But then I also ganked a Caracal whilst in my Scorpion just cuz it happened to warp into a belt where I was hunting in some named 0.2 system... the Caracal died really fast and I wasn't even trying to kill it much (actually the game CTD'd after I launched my drones and fired 2 missiles). My sec rating would be -5 by now had I not chosen to refrain from ganking so I don't get banned from 0.9+ systems.
Gee, I didn't know "carebears" were also criminals in EVE. - LMAO |
Sochin
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Posted - 2004.07.18 07:18:00 -
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The entire purpose of decreasing security levels is to make some space more dangerous then others. The fact that a BS can tank against sentry guns in 0.1 space makes that space alot more DANGEROUS then 1.0 space. Get it?
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Sochin
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Posted - 2004.07.18 07:18:00 -
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The entire purpose of decreasing security levels is to make some space more dangerous then others. The fact that a BS can tank against sentry guns in 0.1 space makes that space alot more DANGEROUS then 1.0 space. Get it?
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.07.18 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Originally by: Dianabolic
Jacque, having read a number of your posts recently, I've come to the conclusion that you're the epitomy of a carebear.
Therefor I feel it is my duty to ask you, please, consider someone other than yourself.
Thanks.
Yeah, I am a carebear with a -2.29 sec rating - LMAO !
But then I also ganked a Caracal whilst in my Scorpion just cuz it happened to warp into a belt where I was hunting in some named 0.2 system... the Caracal died really fast and I wasn't even trying to kill it much (actually the game CTD'd after I launched my drones and fired 2 missiles). My sec rating would be -5 by now had I not chosen to refrain from ganking so I don't get banned from 0.9+ systems.
Gee, I didn't know "carebears" were also criminals in EVE. - LMAO
Well, now you know.
Tell you what Jacque, let's meet at some 0.1-0.4 system and you can show me exactly how long you can tank those sentries in your Scorpion.
You have to be able to prove they're useless don't you?
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.07.18 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Originally by: Dianabolic
Jacque, having read a number of your posts recently, I've come to the conclusion that you're the epitomy of a carebear.
Therefor I feel it is my duty to ask you, please, consider someone other than yourself.
Thanks.
Yeah, I am a carebear with a -2.29 sec rating - LMAO !
But then I also ganked a Caracal whilst in my Scorpion just cuz it happened to warp into a belt where I was hunting in some named 0.2 system... the Caracal died really fast and I wasn't even trying to kill it much (actually the game CTD'd after I launched my drones and fired 2 missiles). My sec rating would be -5 by now had I not chosen to refrain from ganking so I don't get banned from 0.9+ systems.
Gee, I didn't know "carebears" were also criminals in EVE. - LMAO
Well, now you know.
Tell you what Jacque, let's meet at some 0.1-0.4 system and you can show me exactly how long you can tank those sentries in your Scorpion.
You have to be able to prove they're useless don't you?
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.18 09:51:00 -
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man, thats just dumb..
Thats like saying the police are totally useless cause their is still crime. or that car alarms are pointless because ppl can still steal ur car... i could go on.
its a deterant, nothing more, nothing less.
Why we even talking bout this?... we had silly damage guns in 0.1 up, making the game stupid, we all got pee'd of them.. and CCP changed them back, now we are moaning again?.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.18 09:51:00 -
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man, thats just dumb..
Thats like saying the police are totally useless cause their is still crime. or that car alarms are pointless because ppl can still steal ur car... i could go on.
its a deterant, nothing more, nothing less.
Why we even talking bout this?... we had silly damage guns in 0.1 up, making the game stupid, we all got pee'd of them.. and CCP changed them back, now we are moaning again?.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.07.18 10:23:00 -
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Who killed you then Jacque?
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.07.18 10:23:00 -
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Who killed you then Jacque?
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.07.18 11:00:00 -
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If a player messes with the sentry guns, or does something to pi ss off the sentry guns in 0.1-0.4 This means they will get criminally flagged. That means you can affectively fight back without the sentry guns turning around and firing at you..
This makes the sentry guns your ally. So i think they should remain.
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Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.07.18 11:00:00 -
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If a player messes with the sentry guns, or does something to pi ss off the sentry guns in 0.1-0.4 This means they will get criminally flagged. That means you can affectively fight back without the sentry guns turning around and firing at you..
This makes the sentry guns your ally. So i think they should remain.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
OVERCOPES 1
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Posted - 2004.07.18 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Who killed you then Jacque?
tee hee.
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OVERCOPES 1
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Posted - 2004.07.18 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Who killed you then Jacque?
tee hee.
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Jettison
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Posted - 2004.07.18 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jettison on 18/07/2004 11:30:31
Jacque,
I understand where your coming from, but consider this. If your travelling down into lower sectors, and you know the gates can be dampened or tanked by say a battleship!
1. Use the map feature to see how many peeps are there
2. Send in an alt to take the risk ( saves a lot of ships and clones )
3. Set up your ship to haul a**. A fast moving ship is hard to hit!
4. Use a ship with target jamming abilities. If they start locking you and shooting, target jam them to where it knocks their lock off. Then move on to wherever your going.I beleive once they have shot you, your allowed to agress back.
Also, you could try REMOTE SENSOR Boosting the sentries to increase their scanning range if they are dampened. I have only tested this in theory, but would love to see the results!
Just be thankful that sentries aren't as useless as they used to be in low security sectors.
If this game had no risk, it would be like playing any other video game out there.
Getting shot at can really get the old ticker pumping. Lastly, remember this is just a game!!
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Jettison
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Posted - 2004.07.18 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jettison on 18/07/2004 11:30:31
Jacque,
I understand where your coming from, but consider this. If your travelling down into lower sectors, and you know the gates can be dampened or tanked by say a battleship!
1. Use the map feature to see how many peeps are there
2. Send in an alt to take the risk ( saves a lot of ships and clones )
3. Set up your ship to haul a**. A fast moving ship is hard to hit!
4. Use a ship with target jamming abilities. If they start locking you and shooting, target jam them to where it knocks their lock off. Then move on to wherever your going.I beleive once they have shot you, your allowed to agress back.
Also, you could try REMOTE SENSOR Boosting the sentries to increase their scanning range if they are dampened. I have only tested this in theory, but would love to see the results!
Just be thankful that sentries aren't as useless as they used to be in low security sectors.
If this game had no risk, it would be like playing any other video game out there.
Getting shot at can really get the old ticker pumping. Lastly, remember this is just a game!!
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crazychimp
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Posted - 2004.07.18 14:25:00 -
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Hardly.
End urself, you moron
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crazychimp
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Posted - 2004.07.18 14:25:00 -
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Hardly.
End urself, you moron
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Storm Angel
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Posted - 2004.07.18 14:40:00 -
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first, crazychip is a tank ceo wanna-be
Second, sentry guns are meant to defend, not to eliminate. I recently had a bout with CCP regarding this issue where the sentry guns were switching targets every shot.
As CCP stated, they 'don't see a problem with sentry guns' however, 'if they are abused they will be upped.'
Well that's honky dory, meaning sure they'll fix them once everyone starts abusing them, but if it's one or two corps who cares!
So i say join em, i plan a big gate gank fest in empire in the upcoming weeks, hope i see you all there!
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Storm Angel
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Posted - 2004.07.18 14:40:00 -
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first, crazychip is a tank ceo wanna-be
Second, sentry guns are meant to defend, not to eliminate. I recently had a bout with CCP regarding this issue where the sentry guns were switching targets every shot.
As CCP stated, they 'don't see a problem with sentry guns' however, 'if they are abused they will be upped.'
Well that's honky dory, meaning sure they'll fix them once everyone starts abusing them, but if it's one or two corps who cares!
So i say join em, i plan a big gate gank fest in empire in the upcoming weeks, hope i see you all there!
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Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.07.18 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sochin
The entire purpose of decreasing security levels is to make some space more dangerous then others. The fact that a BS can tank against sentry guns in 0.1 space makes that space alot more DANGEROUS then 1.0 space. Get it?
The entire purpose for having Gate/Station Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems is to deter crime but the only criminals who lose ships in those systems are the weak and/or the stupid. Now I ask you, do we have a rash of Frigate/Indy/Cruiser criminals ganking peeps in 0.1 - 0.4 systems or what ? NO ! We do have a rash of BS criminals ganking peeps within range of Gate/Station Turrets in those systems. Remove those Turrets or fix 'em because they are completely useless ! |
Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.07.18 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sochin
The entire purpose of decreasing security levels is to make some space more dangerous then others. The fact that a BS can tank against sentry guns in 0.1 space makes that space alot more DANGEROUS then 1.0 space. Get it?
The entire purpose for having Gate/Station Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems is to deter crime but the only criminals who lose ships in those systems are the weak and/or the stupid. Now I ask you, do we have a rash of Frigate/Indy/Cruiser criminals ganking peeps in 0.1 - 0.4 systems or what ? NO ! We do have a rash of BS criminals ganking peeps within range of Gate/Station Turrets in those systems. Remove those Turrets or fix 'em because they are completely useless ! |
Jettison
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Posted - 2004.07.21 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Originally by: Sochin
The entire purpose of decreasing security levels is to make some space more dangerous then others. The fact that a BS can tank against sentry guns in 0.1 space makes that space alot more DANGEROUS then 1.0 space. Get it?
The entire purpose for having Gate/Station Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems is to deter crime but the only criminals who lose ships in those systems are the weak and/or the stupid. Now I ask you, do we have a rash of Frigate/Indy/Cruiser criminals ganking peeps in 0.1 - 0.4 systems or what ? NO ! We do have a rash of BS criminals ganking peeps within range of Gate/Station Turrets in those systems. Remove those Turrets or fix 'em because they are completely useless !
Jacque,
Low security space is supposed to be dangerous. That is a risk you take while visiting there. Build yourself a fast cruiser that goes over 2,000 ms and power away from gates that are being camped( at least 20-30 from the gate ), then warp to a celestial object. From there warp to your destination. Battleships will have a hard time tracking a fast moving cruiser. BTW, don't power away in a straight line either. If you do you will get wtfpwned!
Jettison
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Jettison
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Posted - 2004.07.21 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Originally by: Sochin
The entire purpose of decreasing security levels is to make some space more dangerous then others. The fact that a BS can tank against sentry guns in 0.1 space makes that space alot more DANGEROUS then 1.0 space. Get it?
The entire purpose for having Gate/Station Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems is to deter crime but the only criminals who lose ships in those systems are the weak and/or the stupid. Now I ask you, do we have a rash of Frigate/Indy/Cruiser criminals ganking peeps in 0.1 - 0.4 systems or what ? NO ! We do have a rash of BS criminals ganking peeps within range of Gate/Station Turrets in those systems. Remove those Turrets or fix 'em because they are completely useless !
Jacque,
Low security space is supposed to be dangerous. That is a risk you take while visiting there. Build yourself a fast cruiser that goes over 2,000 ms and power away from gates that are being camped( at least 20-30 from the gate ), then warp to a celestial object. From there warp to your destination. Battleships will have a hard time tracking a fast moving cruiser. BTW, don't power away in a straight line either. If you do you will get wtfpwned!
Jettison
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.07.21 17:03:00 -
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he still hasnt told us who killed him
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.07.21 17:03:00 -
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he still hasnt told us who killed him
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.07.21 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Sassinak on 21/07/2004 17:19:26
Edited by: Sassinak on 21/07/2004 17:19:13
Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Originally by: Ris Dnalor
well now you're contradicting yourself, b/c they are not completely useless if they can kill anything but a properly tanked battleship. Their use would be killing frigates, industrials, interceptors, cruisers, & improperly tanked battleships :P
Yeah, I guess there are a lot of players using easy to kill ships to gank peeps at the Gates/Stations in 0.1 - 0.4 systems, huh ? - LMAO
Let me rephrase - Gate/Station Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems are completely usless in keeping properly tanked BS's from ganking peeps. If the goal as to achieve this useless state of affairs then I stand corrected and I'll learn how to proply tank my BS's and join those who like to gank others.
Personally I find the use of such tactics as being just this side of chicken-sh_t but that's just me. On the other hand tanking a BS to withstand Gate/Station Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems does seem to me to be a very nice "exploit" of game mechanics. Why CCP doesn't share this perspective amuses me - on the other hand I have long believed the worst PC rats in the game are really CCP employees in disguise.
You just owned your own argument (Properly Tanked Bships) IE a bship setup to tank... OMG A sentry gun? as in and OMG again a ship that is setup for that sole purpose? 
So by keeping that in mind then, you think sentry guns work perfectly well. Just they struggle to kill OMG a third time, a properly tanked Bship............... Again
Sass
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.07.21 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Sassinak on 21/07/2004 17:19:26
Edited by: Sassinak on 21/07/2004 17:19:13
Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Originally by: Ris Dnalor
well now you're contradicting yourself, b/c they are not completely useless if they can kill anything but a properly tanked battleship. Their use would be killing frigates, industrials, interceptors, cruisers, & improperly tanked battleships :P
Yeah, I guess there are a lot of players using easy to kill ships to gank peeps at the Gates/Stations in 0.1 - 0.4 systems, huh ? - LMAO
Let me rephrase - Gate/Station Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems are completely usless in keeping properly tanked BS's from ganking peeps. If the goal as to achieve this useless state of affairs then I stand corrected and I'll learn how to proply tank my BS's and join those who like to gank others.
Personally I find the use of such tactics as being just this side of chicken-sh_t but that's just me. On the other hand tanking a BS to withstand Gate/Station Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems does seem to me to be a very nice "exploit" of game mechanics. Why CCP doesn't share this perspective amuses me - on the other hand I have long believed the worst PC rats in the game are really CCP employees in disguise.
You just owned your own argument (Properly Tanked Bships) IE a bship setup to tank... OMG A sentry gun? as in and OMG again a ship that is setup for that sole purpose?
So by keeping that in mind then, you think sentry guns work perfectly well. Just they struggle to kill OMG a third time, a properly tanked Bship............... Again
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.21 17:21:00 -
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Yes I agree, they are completely useless. Remove them.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.21 17:21:00 -
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Yes I agree, they are completely useless. Remove them.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.21 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Earthan on 21/07/2004 18:07:01
The setries in 0.1-0.4 are vergy good as they are.
They prevent random easy killing, they force you to assemble a task force.IF you attack alone a bs in a bs under sentry guns, unless your opponent is very bad fitted, you are dead.
They stopped me a few times from attacking poeple i would love to kill.
So they are good balanced , they force you to assign much more resources and to plan in order to kill, while still not making it imposssible, maintaining some danger.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.21 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Earthan on 21/07/2004 18:07:01
The setries in 0.1-0.4 are vergy good as they are.
They prevent random easy killing, they force you to assemble a task force.IF you attack alone a bs in a bs under sentry guns, unless your opponent is very bad fitted, you are dead.
They stopped me a few times from attacking poeple i would love to kill.
So they are good balanced , they force you to assign much more resources and to plan in order to kill, while still not making it imposssible, maintaining some danger.
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Posted - 2004.07.21 18:05:00 -
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If you can tank the damage dealt out by a Sentry Gun in order to attack another ship, then could you tank the damage dealt out by a Sentry Gun in order to destroy the Sentry Gun?
Once the Sentry Gun is destroyed, you would have more power left over for the poor and defenseless who need to be preyed upon.
Is this something that has been tried and proved impossible, or would someone like to give it a shot? How much Armor and hull could they possibly have? What's that harm if you can already tank their damage anyway? Think of the benefits, even if they only stay gone til next DownTime.
Just Curious, I'd try myself, but I presently have difficulty tanking damage done by errant Mining Drones.
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Wyckoff
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Posted - 2004.07.21 18:05:00 -
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If you can tank the damage dealt out by a Sentry Gun in order to attack another ship, then could you tank the damage dealt out by a Sentry Gun in order to destroy the Sentry Gun?
Once the Sentry Gun is destroyed, you would have more power left over for the poor and defenseless who need to be preyed upon.
Is this something that has been tried and proved impossible, or would someone like to give it a shot? How much Armor and hull could they possibly have? What's that harm if you can already tank their damage anyway? Think of the benefits, even if they only stay gone til next DownTime.
Just Curious, I'd try myself, but I presently have difficulty tanking damage done by errant Mining Drones.
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Wyckoff
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Posted - 2004.07.21 18:09:00 -
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Yeah, but can they be destroyed?
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Wyckoff
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Posted - 2004.07.21 18:09:00 -
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Yeah, but can they be destroyed?
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Jersey Malenkov
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Posted - 2004.07.21 18:10:00 -
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This whole arguement makes no sense to me. I mean anytime I enter .4 or below I try to stay alert...though ive done it a lot now (only been playing 2 months so far)and im starting to get unaware in anything .3 and above. If they removed the guns...wouldnt that just make anything .4 and below a 0.0.
I really dont understand what you have to complain about, the idea that only a specially tuned BS can gank at a gate in .4 to .1 makes logical sense to me since its tuned for it plus its a battleship. If you were ganked well it was because you werent prepaired for that sort of attack, you stupidly assumed you would be safe around a gate in .4 to .1, I mean I know for sure id be be an easy kill for anybody like that, though im in a BS myself, but I take the risks plus i whenever I travel that way i install a lot of disrupters, wcs what have you. Plus I have my BS platnium insured and my clone up to date..so I die, I die...its only a minor hassle equipment wise.
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Jersey Malenkov
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Posted - 2004.07.21 18:10:00 -
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This whole arguement makes no sense to me. I mean anytime I enter .4 or below I try to stay alert...though ive done it a lot now (only been playing 2 months so far)and im starting to get unaware in anything .3 and above. If they removed the guns...wouldnt that just make anything .4 and below a 0.0.
I really dont understand what you have to complain about, the idea that only a specially tuned BS can gank at a gate in .4 to .1 makes logical sense to me since its tuned for it plus its a battleship. If you were ganked well it was because you werent prepaired for that sort of attack, you stupidly assumed you would be safe around a gate in .4 to .1, I mean I know for sure id be be an easy kill for anybody like that, though im in a BS myself, but I take the risks plus i whenever I travel that way i install a lot of disrupters, wcs what have you. Plus I have my BS platnium insured and my clone up to date..so I die, I die...its only a minor hassle equipment wise.
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Primal Scream
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Posted - 2004.07.21 18:15:00 -
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The problem is not the sentry guns... its the loser too lazy to actually go out pirating like a real man. instead he sits and waits for an easy target. but hey, if thats a lifestyle he wants, more power to him. GO LAZY PIRATES! WOO HOO!
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Primal Scream
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Posted - 2004.07.21 18:15:00 -
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The problem is not the sentry guns... its the loser too lazy to actually go out pirating like a real man. instead he sits and waits for an easy target. but hey, if thats a lifestyle he wants, more power to him. GO LAZY PIRATES! WOO HOO!
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MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.07.21 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Gate Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems are completely usless !
I am calling for CCP to either make them effective against all classes of ships including BS's or remove them altogether because the only classes of ships these turrets can kill with 100% effectiveness are Cruisers or Frigates. A suitably equipped BS can ignore Gate Turrets with no fear of losing a ship.
BTW - This includes Gate or Station Turrets not just Gate Turrets.
I'm calling for CCP to remove doods who constantly ***** and moan and drip about things in the game. Play the game the way it is presented to you already.
MrBinary
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MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.07.21 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Gate Turrets in 0.1 - 0.4 systems are completely usless !
I am calling for CCP to either make them effective against all classes of ships including BS's or remove them altogether because the only classes of ships these turrets can kill with 100% effectiveness are Cruisers or Frigates. A suitably equipped BS can ignore Gate Turrets with no fear of losing a ship.
BTW - This includes Gate or Station Turrets not just Gate Turrets.
I'm calling for CCP to remove doods who constantly ***** and moan and drip about things in the game. Play the game the way it is presented to you already.
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
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