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Chomin H'ak Integrated Takeovers	Posted - 2008.12.17 18:15:00 - [1] My question: with the invasion of Dodixie, what kind of risk do I run salvaging my level 4's? Can those people wardec us and is my salvage safe because we're so far away from planets (can they scan us down?)? Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
Overseer Aliena Caldari Lord of Wars	Posted - 2008.12.17 18:40:00 - [2] Yes they can scan you down. Yes they can wardec you. This is what wannabe badboys do. Fear not though, since they announce this several other pvp corps have been moving in system hoping to get a free wardec
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.17 18:56:00 - [3] Originally by: Overseer Aliena Fear not though, since they announce this several other pvp corps have been moving in system hoping to get a free wardec QF... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! If they're moving in, perhaps they should be joining us and focusing their attention to the masses of Faction Fit ships full of crying Carebears, rather than our merry rag-tag group, eh? (Free? I'm not spending 50M of my ISK on any old Wardec, sorry.) We're Recruiting!
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2008.12.17 19:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Overseer Aliena Fear not though, since they announce this several other pvp corps have been moving in system hoping to get a free wardec QF... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! If they're moving in, perhaps they should be joining us and focusing their attention to the masses of Faction Fit ships full of crying Carebears, rather than our merry rag-tag group, eh? (Free? I'm not spending 50M of my ISK on any old Wardec, sorry.) I think what they mean is they want to fight other PvPers, so there's a challenge. PvPers going after PvEers is the same as a PvEer doing missions. It's the same level of bear. Neither is risky. --------------------
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.17 19:42:00 - [5] Originally by: nether void I think what they mean is they want to fight other PvPers, so there's a challenge. PvPers going after PvEers is the same as a PvEer doing missions. It's the same level of bear. Neither is risky. I see what you mean now. I've always read that there are a sincere lack of good fights these days. Of course, as we're working on the controlled domination of Dodixie, to wrench it from the grasp of lecherous Mission Runners, we're only looking for two things: Submission or Tears. It's my experience that we shall have both. Any Corp looking to get in on the action is welcome to join us. We're Recruiting!
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.17 20:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Chomin H'ak My question: with the invasion of Dodixie, what kind of risk do I run salvaging my level 4's? Can those people wardec us and is my salvage safe because we're so far away from planets (can they scan us down?)? Just abide by the terms stated in the linked thread and you will be fine. There was even talk of French toast But there was none to be had
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.17 20:39:00 - [7] Edited by: Orion GUardian on 17/12/2008 20:39:42 these guys just want you to salvage or tell them were you are so you can do it... I am really inclined to come to Dodixie and ignore it or just get a small railgun on my ship and shoot the wrecks
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.17 20:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Orion GUardian thee guys just want you to salvage or tell them were you are so you can do it... I've got a nice scanship for that, thanks. I don't need any help finding them, but that's for your concern. Originally by: Orion GUardian I am really inclined to return to Dodixie and ignore it or just get a small railgun on my ship and shoot the wrecks Heh. Please do. Make sure you smack in local while you're doing it. We're Recruiting!
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.17 20:44:00 - [9] shrug If I read your thread correctely its just enough tot ell you guys in local that I got a mission for you to salvage. So if you want to salvage it before I turn it in, you need to find me first....I my say that it might be rather difficult to find a specific player in a crowded system if hes in deadspace. And...no I wont smacktalk just for shooting cans ^^
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.17 20:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Orion GUardian difficult to find a specific player in a crowded system if hes in deadspace. Its doable. No i wont explain how There was even talk of French toast But there was none to be had
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.17 20:49:00 - [11] Edited by: Orion GUardian on 17/12/2008 20:53:36 never said it was impossible..... BTT: If it is enough just to tell you guys to find me, there there IS no risk, but as I am not really happy about giving away wrecks for free, destroying them is justwhat you would dream of: No more litter :P edit had something wronge with the sentence, didn't want to say "where to fin" but only THAT
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.17 21:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Orion GUardian shrug If I read your thread correctely its just enough tot ell you guys in local that I got a mission for you to salvage. So if you want to salvage it before I turn it in, you need to find me first....I my say that it might be rather difficult to find a specific player in a crowded system if hes in deadspace. And...no I wont smacktalk just for shooting cans ^^ if they want to find you specifically they probably will. if not, well then they have a shot at finding you, or someone else, either way they win.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.17 21:15:00 - [13] Originally by: nether void Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Overseer Aliena Fear not though, since they announce this several other pvp corps have been moving in system hoping to get a free wardec QF... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! If they're moving in, perhaps they should be joining us and focusing their attention to the masses of Faction Fit ships full of crying Carebears, rather than our merry rag-tag group, eh? (Free? I'm not spending 50M of my ISK on any old Wardec, sorry.) I think what they mean is they want to fight other PvPers, so there's a challenge. PvPers going after PvEers is the same as a PvEer doing missions. It's the same level of bear. Neither is risky. but both are profitable
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.17 21:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn I see what you mean now. I've always read that there are a sincere lack of good fights these days. Of course, as we're working on the controlled domination of Dodixie, to wrench it from the grasp of lecherous Mission Runners, we're only looking for two things: Submission or Tears. It's my experience that we shall have both. Any Corp looking to get in on the action is welcome to join us. Translation: Please don't shoot me. I don't want to pew pew with you. I'm looking to be the griefer, not the griefee .
chatgris	Posted - 2008.12.17 21:43:00 - [15] To answer the OP, no risk at all (as long as you don't fall for can baiting tactics). Run missions as you always have, and ignore the asshats :) If they dec your corp, jump to an NPC corp at laugh at their wasted money (and war dec).
Ghoest	Posted - 2008.12.17 22:13:00 - [16] Dont feed the attention w hore. If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
Nichola Kreed	Posted - 2008.12.17 23:17:00 - [17] there is no effcient way to deal with high sec missionsers that stay in NPC corp, just like we cant do any thing to those marco ice miners in republic university.
Nichola Kreed	Posted - 2008.12.17 23:24:00 - [18] Edited by: Nichola Kreed on 17/12/2008 23:24:44 and if missions runers want counter this lol "invasion" sign up for some free 21day trail, and use noob destoryers to suicide any cov ops you see in system, enjoy loots such as sister's probe launchers edit spelling
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.18 00:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Matrix Skye Translation: Please don't shoot me. I don't want to pew pew with you. I'm looking to be the griefer, not the griefee . There's no grief to be had from us, and you can ask those Corporations whom have been sent against us since we've been around. Just for those who aren't already aware - all of the "real" Corps who've stepped up (Malum Crusis, Remedy Inc., Sardakaur Merc Guild, etc.) have all fought 'above and beyond', and what I mean by this is that they never played Station Docking Games, never smacked to get a response, never pretended to disrespect our Corp just to get a fight. Hell, most of them actually did some work and scanned us down to get a fight! That's a lot more than some of the mouthpieces who sit outside the station and camp. Is that the only way to fight a war? I think not. Some of you out there who think you need smack to goad your targets into a fight should take a page from their book - and you wonder why you weren't mentioned in the above note? Hmm. A good example are those in the other thread are those who make false claims that we hide in stations or think that we would ever lower ourselves to come out to fight just because the smack is flying. You aren't worth our mention, nor our time, so if you're really interested in a fight, speak with some of the Corps I've mentioned above and see if you can get some lessons. They never have a lack of targets, and they always enjoy the fight. Had any of you made a note originally - since we have been around for a year now - we're a Ninja Salvaging Corporation, which has now created an Alliance dedicated to the cause. We have a good group who PvP, and a good group who perform other duties. There are fighters and griefers from all walks, but we're definitely not a 100% PvP Corp. When I've said this in the past, some have come out and said, "Ripe for the picking!" because they've thought they could pad their killboards with our ships, and we've quickly taught them otherwise. Sometimes, there's a fight. Sometimes (and these are personally my favourite times) we've continued our business - status quo - flying past them on undock and collecting our Carebear Tears. We collect all of the smack we see in local, and you know what we do with it? We have a Monthly Carebear Tears competition. (Yes, that's right. Our guys make ISK off of your tears, as well as the tears of hapless Mission Runners.) So, if you think we're afraid of smack, afraid of the threat of Mercs or Elite PvP'ers, think again. Oh, and all of the Corporations I've mentioned above, the ones that deserve mentioning? We're friends with all of them now, because they recognize that we respect what they do, how they fly, and how they operate. And they respect us as well because we play this game at the level that they do, and don't fall into the trap of 'this is the way a war goes'. It's not. Think harder. It can be done. Welcome to the world of Suddenly Ninjas. Harvesting Carebear Tears since 2008. We're Recruiting!
Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:51:00 - [20] Edited by: Kurull Skullsplitter on 18/12/2008 04:52:49 Originally by: Chomin H'ak My question: with the invasion of Dodixie, what kind of risk do I run salvaging my level 4's? Can those people wardec us and is my salvage safe because we're so far away from planets (can they scan us down?)? mmm perhaps you misunderstood the original post? The OP is demanding that mission runners clean up behind themselves by salvaging or otherwise getting rid of the wrecks they create while doing a mission. They have made no threat of any kind to players that salvage their own wrecks. Assuming they are true to their word you have nothing to fear but fear itself. Any player run corp can wardec the corp your in. Your actually at an equal risk of wardec as is everyone else in a player run corp in that regard.
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.12.18 07:38:00 - [21] This is why I like missioning in low population systems. You don't have to deal with this sort of silliness. The simplest solution is to mission with someone other than Fed Navy in Dodixie. For example, there are 5 other gallente kill agents in high sec with better effective quality than the Dodixie agent. And a bunch that are a bit lower in quality.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Kurull Skullsplitter Edited by: Kurull Skullsplitter on 18/12/2008 04:52:49 Originally by: Chomin H'ak My question: with the invasion of Dodixie, what kind of risk do I run salvaging my level 4's? Can those people wardec us and is my salvage safe because we're so far away from planets (can they scan us down?)? mmm perhaps you misunderstood the original post? The OP is demanding that mission runners clean up behind themselves by salvaging or otherwise getting rid of the wrecks they create while doing a mission. They have made no threat of any kind to players that salvage their own wrecks. Assuming they are true to their word you have nothing to fear but fear itself. Any player run corp can wardec the corp your in. Your actually at an equal risk of wardec as is everyone else in a player run corp in that regard. You must be new to the game. You see, these aren't your typical pirates. Theyre not looking to "clean" anything up or even PVP. Theyre what I call "carebear pirates" or cryrats. If you squeeze them they sqeal louder than the loudest pigs. See also Nexa Necis, another self-proclaimed "tuff" pirate. Yet their whole fun relies on making carebears cry. Ironic isnt it? The worst kind of carebears in this game. They want to pop the easiest of easy targets, plain and simple and then poke fun at them. Dont let their "excuses" and "reasons" why they do what they do get in the way . These are carebears that hate on carebears for exactly the same reasons they're carebears themselves.
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.18 16:03:00 - [23] Matrix Skye /=/ Ashley Skye There was even talk of French toast But there was none to be had
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.18 16:09:00 - [24] Edited by: RedSplat on 18/12/2008 16:09:10 Holy double-post Batman There was even talk of French toast But there was none to be had
Lord Ryan	Posted - 2008.12.18 17:25:00 - [25] this reminds me of that southpark episode!
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:37:00 - [26] By the way, even though I kind of flamed the CEO heading the invasion, I actually think this thing is awesome. =) If I was a missioner or a PvPer in that area, I would definitely get involved. Really spices up Empire, and for a fun reason rather than 'I just like to be a jerk and grief people.' --------------------
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.19 00:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Matrix Skye If you squeeze them they sqeal louder than the loudest pigs. Proof, my NPC Corp friend? We're Recruiting!
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.19 01:18:00 - [28] I'm sorry. Sometimes I forget not everyone is capable of understanding complex metaphors. I don't REALLY mean you sqeal like an ACTUAL pig. I didn't mean it literally. It's a figure of speech. Kind of like your whole "carebear tears fuel my ship"? What I meant to say is you ***** and moan just as much as the carebears you despise. You're just as adverse to risk as the mission runners you target. But it's my fault. I should have been clearer. My bad .
Susung Alt Anti-defamation League	Posted - 2008.12.19 01:28:00 - [29] THe Ninja's are gonna be too busy to worry about their invasion, probably their plan from the start, unless they are completely clueless
Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2008.12.19 03:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Kurull Skullsplitter Edited by: Kurull Skullsplitter on 18/12/2008 04:52:49 Originally by: Chomin H'ak My question: with the invasion of Dodixie, what kind of risk do I run salvaging my level 4's? Can those people wardec us and is my salvage safe because we're so far away from planets (can they scan us down?)? mmm perhaps you misunderstood the original postAssuming they are true to their word you have nothing to fear but fear itself. Any player run corp can wardec the corp your in. Your actually at an equal risk of wardec as is everyone else in a player run corp in that regard. You must be new to the game. A year and 5 months older than your character. Doesn't mean I've encountered these guys in space or seen them in action. My answer to the OP remains the same. The real ship popping threat in empire can only be by wardec. And to answer the remainder of the OP. They can scan down your ship anywhere in space. If they find you in a mission they can salvage your wrecks (big deal). Another tactic such people use is to pull agro from all the rats and then leave so you get all the agro. If they take loots from your wrecks they get a 15 minute timer during which your free to shoot them. I don't recommend doing so unless you have corp mates to back you up.

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