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Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:46:00 - [1] So, I undocked in low sec and got attacked, and I proceeded to fire back. I have a 2.0 sec status, the aggressor had -8.0. I figured, hey, this guy is wanted by the law, he is fair game. So, I get an aggression timer, for self defense? A couple buddies of his show up and proceed to warp scramble me and pound my ship to pieces. I try and re-dock and... it says I can't "due to initiating aggression". What? WTF I'm getting ganked by pirates and a civilian CALDARI corporation (which I have high standing with) won't let me dock? I just learned about the aggression timer... and the lesson cost me a rather nicely fitted Nighhawk and maxed out implants. OOPS! I guess it happens. I'm not bitter about having gotten pwned up rather nicely. But, bear with me, the only thing I've been doing in Eve (for the most part) is "care bearing it up" or "mission running". What I'd like is for CCP to cut me some slack an add the simple "idiot proof solution" described below: What sucks A LOT is I did not get ANY notification such as "you're going to get a really crappy aggression timer, which will prevent you from docking, if you choose to attack this guy WHETHER YOU DO IT IN SELF DEFENSE OR NOT DOES NOT MATTER". Seriously, where is the bloody "are you sure" and the "are you really sure" notification? I should have just bought those bandit tags off the market instead of dealing with a game mechanic that has not been completely refined to perfection yet. I know I might get flamed for this statement, but I just pointed out an obvious oversight that should have been included. Please, don't let other PvP noobs learn the hard way, add A YES/NO CONFIRMATION LETTING ME KNOW THERE WILL BE A BLOODY AGGRESSION TIMER PREVENTING ME FROM DOCKING IF I ATTACK THIS GUY!!!! Caldari Nationalist Party
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:47:00 - [2] Less threads, more tears to drink. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:50:00 - [3] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Less threads, more tears to drink. Its not a "whine" its a suggestion to improve a game mechanic. Caldari Nationalist Party
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Grarr Dexx Less threads, more tears to drink. Its not a "whine" its a suggestion to improve a game mechanic. It's a whine. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
place1 Amarr New Eden Research Organisation StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Grarr Dexx Less threads, more tears to drink. Its not a "whine" its a suggestion to improve a game mechanic. Did you realy need to open 2 threads for this?? and if this is suppost to be a suggestion its in the wrong forum thread.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:58:00 - [6] Originally by: place1 Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Grarr Dexx Less threads, more tears to drink. Its not a "whine" its a suggestion to improve a game mechanic. Did you realy need to open 2 threads for this?? and if this is suppost to be a suggestion its in the wrong forum thread. Done. Posted there. I believe it is necessary to post this as the implementation of this simple feature would potentially prevent unnecessary frustration to players who are new or who have not had a chance to experience the dynamic nature of PvP in Eve Online, and are thus unaware of certain game mechanics. It will assist with the learning curve. Where is the bad thing in that? Caldari Nationalist Party
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Akita T on 18/12/2008 04:04:24 No, we really don't need it. Actually, a good number of the existing ones could stand to go away. If anything, we need a more comprehensive/compact/integrated "help" system. Or a "game manual", if you wish. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin It will assist with the learning curve. Where is the bad thing in that? Because we want our pain left alone! LEAVE PAIN ALONE!
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Wong Thong Crew	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:05:00 - [9] Edited by: Arvald on 18/12/2008 04:05:22 Quote: I just learned about the aggression timer... and the lesson cost me a rather nicely fitted Nighhawk and maxed out implants wait wait wait, how the **** have you been playing this long and NOT know about the aggression timer? you git
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Akita T No, we really don't need it. Well, I know you don't need it, because you already KNOW about it, but someone else does, like the new guy who's defending himself/herself from a pirate and DOES NOT know that he will be unable to dock if he chooses to defend himself. Its not all about you, you know? Caldari Nationalist Party

Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 18/12/2008 04:05:22 Quote: I just learned about the aggression timer... and the lesson cost me a rather nicely fitted Nighhawk and maxed out implants wait wait wait, how the ** have you been playing this long and NOT know about the aggression timer? you git I've been playing off and on for a long time, but with MANY MANY months in between. Back in 2003 I don't remember this feature being mentioned AT ALL by anyone. I didn't know because I didn't really PvP or anything of that sort. I really thought that you wouldn't get any "kill rights" or "aggression timer" if the player has low sec, OR if you're simply defending yourself (as in, you did not fire the first shot). :) Caldari Nationalist Party**
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Wong Thong Crew	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Akita T No, we really don't need it. Well, I know you don't need it, because you already KNOW about it, but someone else does, like the new guy who's defending himself/herself from a pirate and DOES NOT know that he will be unable to dock if he chooses to defend himself. Its not all about you, you know? the reason being is that EVE hates you and wants you to learn the hard way, thats how this game is.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Well, I know you don't need it, because you already KNOW about it, but someone else does, like the new guy who's defending himself/herself from a pirate and DOES NOT know that he will be unable to dock if he chooses to defend himself. Its not all about you, you know? Worst idea tbh.. where would we get our laughs 'n giggles from if EMOQQRAGE posts ceased?
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Wong Thong Crew	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 18/12/2008 04:05:22 Quote: I just learned about the aggression timer... and the lesson cost me a rather nicely fitted Nighhawk and maxed out implants wait wait wait, how the **** have you been playing this long and NOT know about the aggression timer? you git I've been playing off and on for a long time, but with MANY MANY months in between. Back in 2003 I don't remember this feature being mentioned AT ALL by anyone. I didn't know because I didn't really PvP or anything of that sort. I really thought that you wouldn't get any "kill rights" or "aggression timer" if the player has low sec, OR if you're simply defending yourself (as in, you did not fire the first shot). :) fair enough
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:10:00 - [15] Edited by: Akita T on 18/12/2008 04:14:31 So how about a confirmation prompt whenever you open a contract saying "are you sure you want to do this, it might be a scam" ? Oh, hey, how about a confirmation prompt when you buy something from the market saying "warning, you lose ISK if you do that". Also one for activating mission acceleration gates saying "there might be dangerous NPCs beyond this point" ? Or a "your cargo is too expensive for your puny little ship, you could be ganked" ? Maybe a "do you really want to undock ? you could get shot at" too ? You have to draw the line somewhere, and personally I believe it's already drawn too far into cantbebotheredtoreadcarebearland, no need to move it even further. P.S. Do we really want to have EVE just as idiot-mistake-proof as the USA ? I think not. See warning label on hammer : "warning do not hit head with it might cause damage". _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Ooyama Caldari Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:31:00 - [16] Edited by: Ooyama on 18/12/2008 04:31:46 As Akita stated, there really has to be a line somewhere. I read (with disbelief) both this and your other whinethread, and tbh i thought it was a joke or trollthread at first. You need to do 1 of 3 things imo : A; apply for Eve-University, so that you might actually learn how to f'ing PLAY this game. B;STFU & GBTWoW. or finally, C;Cancel your account (or sell it back to whoever u bought it from, after having given me all ur stuffz offcourse), and play something that your brain can grasp the concept of,, like hellokitty-online. (disclaimer : i rarely flame ppl this way mate, but seriously,, with the lack of intelligence you show, i have a feeling that's the only way to get into your skull that you might,, just MIGHT be responsible for your own loss). Ooyama.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:35:00 - [17] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 18/12/2008 04:36:10 I looked over a couple of the big killboards hoping to see what killed Strel's Nighthawk but unfortunately the mail wasn't listed... just a Drake death from like two years ago and a couple of Badger II's. If the account is purchased, it wasn't from an active PvPer. If it wasn't purchased then the OP's claim of not knowing the PvP mechanics seems backed up by the lack of killboard entries. Still curious as to what managed to tank sentries and a Nighthawk long enough to kill something with a Nighthawk tank.
Whosyour Daddy Angry Beavers with Frickin' Big Guns La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 18/12/2008 04:05:22 Quote: I just learned about the aggression timer... and the lesson cost me a rather nicely fitted Nighhawk and maxed out implants wait wait wait, how the **** have you been playing this long and NOT know about the aggression timer? you git Same thought here, only I was using something stronger than "git"...did he just buy this char did he? Angry Beavers with Frickin' Big Guns
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Still curious as to what managed to tank sentries and a Nighthawk long enough to kill something with a Nighthawk tank. Just about any pair of Amarr BSs should have been just enough _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:50:00 - [20] There is such a confirmation window. If you try to shoot an illegal (non-flashy, non-WT) target in highsec or lowsec, you get a popup box asking you if you want to continue with the illegal action when, say, you start firing on something. Was that insufficient? __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?

Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:52:00 - [21] In before the lock. Please post more emorage threads, they are quite entertaining. ---- Logins required for this post: 902507
Cpt Lollercakes Warriors of COAD	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Whosyour Daddy Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 18/12/2008 04:05:22 Quote: I just learned about the aggression timer... and the lesson cost me a rather nicely fitted Nighhawk and maxed out implants wait wait wait, how the **** have you been playing this long and NOT know about the aggression timer? you git Same thought here, only I was using something stronger than "git"...did he just buy this char did he? I thought "Ebay" when he put the 1st thread up.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Terianna Eri There is such a confirmation window. If you try to shoot an illegal (non-flashy, non-WT) target in highsec or lowsec, you get a popup box asking you if you want to continue with the illegal action when, say, you start firing on something. He wants ANOTHER popup that warns him he can't dock back for a minute after he shoots at a flashy red that's shooting him. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Terianna Eri There is such a confirmation window. If you try to shoot an illegal (non-flashy, non-WT) target in highsec or lowsec, you get a popup box asking you if you want to continue with the illegal action when, say, you start firing on something. He wants ANOTHER popup that warns him he can't dock back for a minute after he shoots at a flashy red that's shooting him. Just so he can disable it and whine more. ---- Logins required for this post: 359881
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Terianna Eri There is such a confirmation window. If you try to shoot an illegal (non-flashy, non-WT) target in highsec or lowsec, you get a popup box asking you if you want to continue with the illegal action when, say, you start firing on something. Was that insufficient? That's just the thing I didn't get one this time, so I figured it was legal to return fire. Caldari Nationalist Party
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Terianna Eri There is such a confirmation window. If you try to shoot an illegal (non-flashy, non-WT) target in highsec or lowsec, you get a popup box asking you if you want to continue with the illegal action when, say, you start firing on something. Was that insufficient? That's just the thing I didn't get one this time, so I figured it was legal to return fire. It was legal. In much the same way that jumping off a building is legal. For both it is assumed that common sense will tell you "this may hurt a little". ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:16:00 - [27] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Terianna Eri There is such a confirmation window. If you try to shoot an illegal (non-flashy, non-WT) target in highsec or lowsec, you get a popup box asking you if you want to continue with the illegal action when, say, you start firing on something. Was that insufficient? That's just the thing I didn't get one this time, so I figured it was legal to return fire. Well.. Everyone learns about the docking timer eventually. Most don't freak out over it The fact that you didn't know about it implies you haven't PvPed much. This you were learning PvP in a tech II fit Nighthawk. For that you deserve to die. Besides if you want to play dock games you deserve to die as well. ---- Logins required for this post: 179897
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:53:00 - [28] You won't be opening fire so quickly next time will you? You'll think it through a little further than the first salvo, won't you? Has the lack of aggression timer warning served its purpose? Yes :) For what it's worth, I learned about the aggression timer by shooting back at a can flipper - warped back to station, got my Merlin out, warped back to belt and shot the guy. It was close, but he had me down to 30% shields before I got his rifter into hull - so I ran back to station. Only the station wouldn't let me dock! So off we went on a merry chase around the stargates. I ended up running away on afterburner, and aggression wore off just as he tried warping to me. It was fun! I learned about can flippers, aggression timer, and making sure to fit a warp scrambler if I'm ever the aggressor :) The next guy in a rifter that flipped my can, I chased down with my Drake. That wasn't quite sporting of me was it :\
Necrosmith Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:58:00 - [29] Welcome to Eve, you must be new here! Lesson learned, just don't repeat it. What part of "harsh, dark world" didn't you get? ---- For those of you who claim to support the troops and oppose national health care, I have a question. Why do you insist on punishing our veterans with free health care?
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.12.18 07:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Necrosmith Welcome to Eve, you must be new here! Lesson learned, just don't repeat it. What part of "harsh, dark world" didn't you get? I always questioned the 'dark' part. Has anyone looked at the background while in space? Or the lighting in the stations? Everything is damned bright, not dark. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

Willow Whisp Sadist Faction	Posted - 2008.12.18 07:36:00 - [31] I knew the name sounded familiar. This is the genius that brought threads like "Wars should only be consentual" "I make eve guides by plagarizing outdated materials and not crediting the original authors" "Look at me mom! I can Role-Play, too!" "Waah, Loosing ships should be just like WOW!" "Wah, Wah, Wah, Buff Logoffski!" -- this is my sig.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.18 07:40:00 - [32] There needs to be a confirmation window before people post stupid threads like these. -- Billion Isk Mission
Ralle030583 Gallente RIMTECH NOVA GOTISCHES IMPERIUM	Posted - 2008.12.18 08:52:00 - [33] Edited by: Ralle030583 on 18/12/2008 08:52:04 Originally by: Lord WarATron There needs to be a confirmation window before people post stupid threads like these. QFT..
Stikato	Posted - 2008.12.18 09:05:00 - [34] Please don't turn Eve into Vista!
Miss CJB Gallente In White Suits	Posted - 2008.12.18 09:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Stikato Please don't turn Eve into Vista! QFT :P stop wining, the agression timer needs to be longer.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.12.18 10:22:00 - [36] You just learned not to try new things while in expensive ships. EVE's learning curve is fine, some people just don't realise what they are supposed to be learning. - DesuSigs
Ander Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.18 10:38:00 - [37] "Are you sure you want to play undocking games? Yes/no" EVE PIRATE
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.12.18 10:42:00 - [38] 2 things: 1) you attacked someone in low sec and didn't think his friends would help him, you didn't check local and you didn't think about what you're doing. Your own fault. 2) you fly a Nighthawk and just learned about agression timers? Your fault for not putting in effort. Clear case of OP not bothering to learn the game before doing something, now you found out the hard way. I do hope that the cost of your NH was worth the lesson and that you might learn from it.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.18 10:59:00 - [39] So you thought that whenever a player wanted they could just hit dock and instantly be safe? Who would play such a lame game? Why would someone think that such a thing as launching a massive attack and then happily docking would be possible? I'd like to know why any station would let a ship furiously launching missiles nonstop in various directions dock at their station. If you don't think that attacking is aggression then oh I dunno I suggest you get a dictionary and possible learn the english language. You are one upset carebear, are you sure EVE is for you?
Squably Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.18 11:24:00 - [40] NO WE DONT!!!!!!!! Stop failing hahaha Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator

Black Tahee1	Posted - 2008.12.18 11:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Lord WarATron There needs to be a confirmation window before people post stupid threads like these. No there shouldn't be a confirmation, just a warning the message won't be post because of the stupidity in it.
Tippia Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:36:00 - [42] Originally by: Willow Whisp I knew the name sounded familiar. This is the genius that brought threads like "Wars should only be consentual" "I make eve guides by plagarizing outdated materials and not crediting the original authors" "Look at me mom! I can Role-Play, too!" "Waah, Loosing ships should be just like WOW!" "Wah, Wah, Wah, Buff Logoffski!" There isn't enough facepalm on the entire intarweb to encompass this kind of fail… No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
ollobrains2 Gallente New Eve Order Holdings	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:37:00 - [43] oh theres more than that ingame to just gotta dig em up
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:47:00 - [44] eve isn't a game for um, dumb people. Please, jump into traffic
Xeronn Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:03:00 - [45] Best christmas troll ever! yey I mean come on guys how can someone actually believe this guy is for real? /me bows down in respect Sir , your skills at roleplaying the lead idiot f**ktard in the caldari fleet are most impressive , congratulations , i have much to learn from you in the ways of roleplaying
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Xeronn Best christmas troll ever! yey I mean come on guys how can someone actually believe this guy is for real? /me bows down in respect Sir , your skills at roleplaying the lead idiot f**ktard in the caldari fleet are most impressive , congratulations , i have much to learn from you in the ways of roleplaying Do a eve-search on the name Hilabana and you might rethink that.
Stygian Knight	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:23:00 - [47] this is "Forum Christmas Special"
AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:29:00 - [48] Edited by: AkRoYeR on 18/12/2008 14:29:22 Agree that DOCKING games suck. CCP please don't change the mechanic as noobs deserve to die that want to play docking games.
Blank Protection Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:29:00 - [49] So far i known you dont train for a Nighthawk in one month so you should actually be familar with the game machanics. So stop the whine buy a new Nighthawk or just quit. Dont forget to contract all youre stuff to me first. This Post belongs in Out of Pod Experience
Rimac	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:34:00 - [50] Edited by: Rimac on 18/12/2008 14:36:03 There is a solution for the OP's problem. Since Microsoft 'retired' Clippy, I'm sure CCP can hire him: http://rapidsignal.com/blog/wp-content/clippy.jpg Once implemented the OP can enable 'Clippy' mode. Clippy may also be accessed using the 'Ctrl-C' shortcut. A short demo of the new 'Clippy' mode: "Hi, I'm Clippy, your friendly office... erm... EVE assistant. How may I help you?". "It appears you are trying to shoot at another ship. Are you sure you wish to continue?" "Did this ship fire on you first?" "You have indicated you wish to defend yourself from hostilities by another player. Continue at your own risk, CCP is not liable for damages if you choose to return fire. Note that this action will result in an agression timer of 15 minutes against your character. During this period you cannot dock or use a stargate. This action may also result in loss of ship, cargo, pod, implants, skill points. FDA health hazard warning: This action may result in high blood-pressure, abundant use of expletives and emission of water from your optical sensors. Are you still certain you wish to continue?" "Congratulations, you have succesfully attempted to fire on another ship! Unfortunately due to the length of this verification process your ship has already been destroyed. Oops. The message you are currently looking at has also prevented you from warping out in your pod and it has also destroyed. I am so sorry about your Snake implants. Have a nice day!" Clippy Waves and exits to the right

Sniper Wolf18 Gallente Apocalypse Ponies	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:42:00 - [51] GB2WoW and seriously! Thanks for just reading my sig!
Xeronn Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:57:00 - [52] if anything EvE needs less popups and idiot-proof help thingies Personally i just got to play on a different {C , new install , and just noticed the (new?) popup screens that come up when you open anything...took me a few minutes to notice they can be disabled all-together from the main menu but still....for me games that start with 100001 persistant popups and instructions on how to friggin read or use the mouse shout "UNINSTALL!!! NAY!! SHIFT-DELETE!!" Thanks god it`s easy to disable them all in eve...that way one can play the game and learn things the proper way :) Oh and whoever made the EvE tutorial needs to be poded...poded...poded...poded...poded......... I know soo many people that gave EvE a shot and quit during the terible tutorial that has you (mining and missioning? or so I hear...is that right?) No wonder EvE suffers from this accursed NPC corpe`d caldari plague

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.12.18 15:11:00 - [53] Locked. Please do not cross post. You already have a thread with the same content. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Games, Email / Netfang



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