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7shining7one7
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.12.18 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 18/12/2008 05:23:26
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The boycot is suggested due to the new policies that YouTube has implemented - such as algorithmic demotion of videos that contain profanities. These policies will no doubt remove our freedom speech on YouTube because the policies are so vague that they could be used to demote any video that YouTube personally doesn't like.
what do you think about this? whoever you are and whatever your oppinion you have and regardless of your use of language and profanities, all oppinions are welcomed (in contrast to youtubes new policies).
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.12.18 05:31:00 -
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I'll be waiting for the first vid that completely thrashes them without a single profanity used to be up on top of that list.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.18 05:52:00 -
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"Demotion" ? What's wrong with that ? I could understand the outrage if you meant "deletion", but...
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7shining7one7
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Akita T
"Demotion" ? What's wrong with that ? I could understand the outrage if you meant "deletion", but...
because imo when you've said demotion (which in this case is nothing but blatant censorship in sheeps clothing) and everyone is ok with that, then it becomes increasingly easy to say deletion next. drip drip drop / stepping stone model.
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:15:00 -
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Could you give us a link that isn't somebodies video blog?
I never watch those things unless it's someone with aspergers and I want a laugh.
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Dong Ninja
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:17:00 -
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It's not like Youtube isn't a crap pile of ******ed videos already. When you start to put out crap, expect people to plug their noses.
In the end, this "free speech" bull isn't going to work. The people who upload the latest episode of South Park while watching some ****** getting hit in the nuts with a motorcycle can complain all they want, but Youtube is a private company that can do whatever it wants with itself, and if it says it wants to filter what gets uploaded or how video ranking works there's not a goddamn thing anyone can do about it. If people want a video they ripped to be uploaded without limits they can host it themselves.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:20:00 -
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Ah, yes, the "slippery slope" argument... I don't buy it.
They already can take down videos whenever they want to, they're not legally bound to keep your video up, but they don't do that, so there goes the "ohnoes censorship" argument.
It's a free service, take it or leave it. Freedom of speech or freedom of anything doesn't apply.
Sure, a decent counter-retort would be to point out that they don't want to appear "evil" yet still are, in disguise... but that's pretty much tinfoilhat land already.
They also already have a "confirm birthdate" option for restricted material viewing, I can't see anybody still protesting that. There's not a big difference between that and the upcoming demote-rank-for-profanity feature.
Oh, and they do take down videos entirely because of copyright infringement issues, wether they like to or not... even if it's just a baseless accusation of it, they just have to. Now, isn't that a harsher censorship method ? I don't see a boycott about it though.
It seems to me that this is mostly about a bunch of vocal (and vulgar) morons who wish to keep their high-exposure status and are afraid (rightly so) they will soon lose it.
Yeah, sure, you might be in the "top discussion" rankings or whatever (I didn't even know such a ranking existed, never cared, never will, didn't even check to see if it exists) but that's almost certainly because your video WAS A TROLL to begin with.
At least now you'd have to make an effort to have a non-vulgar troll. Oh my, what a predicament.
Does youtube kill your video ? Nope.
Do they block the vid from external links ? No.
Then STHU about it and get your rankings from somewhere else if you care so much about them, or play within the rules.
Bottom line, the boycott will be an abysmal failure because it will have no noticeable effect, and all of this is just a huge case of barking up the wrong tree.
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7shining7one7
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dong Ninja
It's not like Youtube isn't a crap pile of ******ed videos already. When you start to put out crap, expect people to plug their noses.
In the end, this "free speech" bull isn't going to work. The people who upload the latest episode of South Park while watching some ****** getting hit in the nuts with a motorcycle can complain all they want, but Youtube is a private company that can do whatever it wants with itself, and if it says it wants to filter what gets uploaded or how video ranking works there's not a goddamn thing anyone can do about it. If people want a video they ripped to be uploaded without limits they can host it themselves.
sir, what has uploaded videos with copyright infringements to do with algorithmically demoting videos based on profanity or offensive nature?
i'll have to respectfully disagree with your willingness to give corporations carte blanche to do whatever they want, censorship is a very serious thing.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
It's a free service, take it or leave it. Freedom of speech or freedom of anything doesn't apply.
I was going to post a lenghty post about the same thing I quoted, but Akita T lays down as much pwnage here as she can in the Skill forum
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:22:00 -
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PAT CONDELL 4 LYFE
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Elite Marksman
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:22:00 -
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Seeing as Youtube is a private company and therefore not obligated in any way to host any content which it finds offensive.
Youtube does not take your freedom of speech away with this policy. Users are free to speak all the profanity they wish, however Youtube does not have to pay for the bandwidth to distribute said profanity.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
censorship is a very serious thing.
Reducing the free advertisment level granted by rankings on vulgar material can't possibly fit even the most twisted definition of censorship.
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Fox McFox
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Elite Marksman
Seeing as Youtube is a private company and therefore not obligated in any way to host any content which it finds offensive.
Youtube does not take your freedom of speech away with this policy. Users are free to speak all the profanity they wish, however Youtube does not have to pay for the bandwidth to distribute said profanity.
Exactly.
You have the right to free speech, but you do not have the right to be heard.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Fox McFox
You have the right to free speech, but you do not have the right to be heard.
Nah, even better... you also do have the right to be heard, but you don't have the right to get free advertising 
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Elite Marksman
Seeing as Youtube is a private company and therefore not obligated in any way to host any content which it finds offensive.
Youtube does not take your freedom of speech away with this policy. Users are free to speak all the profanity they wish, however Youtube does not have to pay for the bandwidth to distribute said profanity.
Did i miss something?
Didn't google buy Youtube?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:41:00 -
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No, you didn't miss anything.
Last time I checked Google was not a government agency, subsidiary nor contractor 
So, technically, YouTube, owned by Google, is a privately owned company.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 07:04:00 -
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Instead of whining about what the people running youtube are doing, why not just setup another website to post movies on where this demotion isnt around?
Personally, I know what I am looking for on youtube and if it starts going poof in the night I will just start looking for it less and less.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 08:31:00 -
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You tube? is that where kids spend their time syncing Naruto to linkin park?
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.12.18 08:36:00 -
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How do you demote a video? And should we care?
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.18 08:53:00 -
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Pff. Who cares. As long as it still there when I search for it, everythings cool.
We've learnt by now that Internet Censorship doesn't work. So I don't think we really have to worry about it, someone will release a Firefox Plugin that lets you browse without THE MAN making everything pink and fluffy for the under 18s that shouldn't be using the internets anyway.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.12.18 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
freedom speech on YouTube
Stopped caring here.
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Tacyon
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Posted - 2008.12.18 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: 7shining7one7
freedom speech on YouTube
Stopped caring here.
Pretty much.
If anyone ever read youtube comments, they'll soon realize that youtube actually gives the biggest leverage for the anti-freedom of speech mentality. 
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.12.18 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Davina Braben
I never watch those things unless it's someone with aspergers and I want a laugh.
I want a laugh. Links to laughs?
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.18 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Davina Braben
I never watch those things unless it's someone with aspergers and I want a laugh.
I want a laugh. Links to laughs?
Well, not aspies (although most of them have probably diagnosed themselves with it for the geek-cred), whenever I feel like laughing at people, I browse this forum
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.12.18 10:48:00 -
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I'm for free speech and all, but youtube isnt A FRIGGIN GOVERNMENT ITS A FRIGGIN PRIVATELY OWNED SERVER.
They can transport whatever twisted messages they friggin want to.
Other than that, youtube is a steaming pile of **** (or was it puke`?) you quickly abuse to transport unimportant videos.
I dont get all the fuss? Freedom of speech my ass, what has that got to do with anything around a privately owned server...
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Ninjas N Pirates
Wong Thong Crew
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Posted - 2008.12.18 11:36:00 -
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Youtube is a free service they provide... therefor they can do whatever they want with it and you can't do jack about it... not like a boycott is going to cost them money or something
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.12.18 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Well, not aspies (although most of them have probably diagnosed themselves with it for the geek-cred), whenever I feel like laughing at people, I browse this forum
That place just makes me despair.
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.18 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Gojyu
Well, not aspies (although most of them have probably diagnosed themselves with it for the geek-cred), whenever I feel like laughing at people, I browse this forum
That place just makes me despair.
Yeah, not really funny haha, more funny ...wow
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The TX
Gallente
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.12.18 12:54:00 -
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I've started spreading the word. This sounds almost as important as getting Rick Astley to #1 in the UK.
(Apparently Rick's climbing up the charts quite well so far!)
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Holy wall of text TX-Man.
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annoing
Fallen Angel's
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Posted - 2008.12.18 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
sir, what has uploaded videos with copyright infringements to do with algorithmically demoting videos based on profanity or offensive nature?
i'll have to respectfully disagree with your willingness to give corporations carte blanche to do whatever they want, censorship is a very serious thing.
Well done for your continued selective reading ability.
As Akita pointed out, this is a private company, not a public funded service. They can do whatever they want with the videos uploaded to that site. If they feel that a video is wrong, illegal, well whatever, its THEIR right to take it down or do whatever they want with it.
Want a site that can show anything or talk about anything without censorship? Go off and build one. Otherwise stop complaining.
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Large Trout
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.18 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Large Trout on 18/12/2008 14:53:22
Originally by: Gojyu
...whenever I feel like laughing at people, I browse this forum
Oh man, I'm gonna have some fun here.
EDIT: I can't honestly tell what's real and what's trolling on those forums. Whatever it is, they all seem to be taking each other really seriously.
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Thuranni
B and D
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Posted - 2008.12.18 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Thuranni on 18/12/2008 15:44:06
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: Dong Ninja
It's not like Youtube isn't a crap pile of ******ed videos already. When you start to put out crap, expect people to plug their noses.
In the end, this "free speech" bull isn't going to work. The people who upload the latest episode of South Park while watching some ****** getting hit in the nuts with a motorcycle can complain all they want, but Youtube is a private company that can do whatever it wants with itself, and if it says it wants to filter what gets uploaded or how video ranking works there's not a goddamn thing anyone can do about it. If people want a video they ripped to be uploaded without limits they can host it themselves.
sir, what has uploaded videos with copyright infringements to do with algorithmically demoting videos based on profanity or offensive nature?
i'll have to respectfully disagree with your willingness to give corporations carte blanche to do whatever they want, censorship is a very serious thing.
A corporation can and will do whatever it wants with videos posted on their website, and hosted on their servers. Deleting them is not a violation of your free speech, you are free to host or distribute your video via another medium than Youtube if it is taken off youtube.
The reason the term "free speech" is becoming increasingly trite and meaningless is because people throw it around for completely meaningless issues such as this. 
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kor anon
Amarr
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: kor anon on 18/12/2008 18:50:01
Originally by: Gojyu
...whenever I feel like laughing at people, I browse this forum
Holy ****, i am so tempted to make an account and request training vids , i wonder if they do it 
edit: HAHA just read a thread where someone asked the same thing (pics instead). Apparantly they cannot be seen, measured, heard etc. suprise ****ing suprise. Damn why are people so ******ed
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streptococcus
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:56:00 -
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does this mean theys gonna censor pron  ....not good
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Havok Dryke
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:01:00 -
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They must be Al-Quaida.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:20:00 -
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I agree with your basis for argument. The issue is in the wording of the
1st Amendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
A company has every right to censor what is said within their boudaries. Just as you have the right to attempt to create an alternative that allows complete freedom of speech.
One could interpret the words to say that freedom of speech is not guarenteed. It is only guareented that Congree will not interfere by passing restrictive laws.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:31:00 -
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if you don't want to be censored host your own web server and put all your stuff there.
that and it is quite easy to get your point across without using profanities, and in some groups you will get your points out there better with a lack of profanities.
overall meh. but at the same time I would think they would have a "safe search off" type setting for registered users.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.12.18 20:20:00 -
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 18/12/2008 05:29:21
Linkage
The boycot is suggested due to the new policies that YouTube has implemented - such as algorithmic demotion of videos that contain profanities. These policies will no doubt remove our freedom speech on YouTube because the policies are so vague that they could be used to demote any video that YouTube personally doesn't like.
what do you think about this? whoever you are, whatever your oppinion is on the matter and regardless of your use of language and profanities, all oppinions are welcomed (in contrast to youtubes new policies).
discuss.
when you put video's on youtube's site, you give up your "right to free speech" (at least on their website)
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Atomos Darksun
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.19 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Well, not aspies (although most of them have probably diagnosed themselves with it for the geek-cred), whenever I feel like laughing at people, I browse this forum
I truly hope that that is just a bad joke gone horribly, horribly wrong...
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION!
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2008.12.19 04:31:00 -
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How is the boycott going?
Did you all take your ****ty video blogs down yet?
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.19 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 19/12/2008 04:38:42
Originally by: Davina Braben
How is the boycott going?
Did you all take your ****ty video blogs down yet?
What? If people do that, we'll never know how the illuminati injected United States Army generals with alien urine to brainwash them into launching nanotech cruise missiles that can disguise themselves as 747's into the twin towers and the pentagon, on the behest of the majestic program in conjuction with the men in black
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Berneh
Gallente
Ministry of Destruction
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Posted - 2008.12.19 05:23:00 -
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i agree with it
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.19 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
These policies will no doubt remove our freedom speech on YouTube because the policies are so vague that they could be used to demote any video that YouTube personally doesn't like.
I'm all for free speech, but surely YouTube can do whatever they like with their own website.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.19 11:52:00 -
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I care not, I am boycotting YT until Monday.
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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar
Eternal Guardians Corp.
The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.19 12:36:00 -
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As long as I can still get free **** off the internets, I'm good.
On a more serious note, I hate bleeding heart liberals that want to ***** every time they feel their rights are being impinged upon.
These are the same people that think criminals have rights. (sweeping generalization blah blah blah suck it)
I'm sticking with the argument that Youtube is a company that can do whatever the hell it pleases with its property.
I'm gonna go spray graffiti on your house to exercise my right of free speech and if you paint over it or make it less accessible to the public in any way, you're guilty of censorship.
Get over yourselves.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.19 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Calvin Firenze
As long as I can still get free **** off the internets, I'm good.
On a more serious note, I hate bleeding heart liberals that want to ***** every time they feel their rights are being impinged upon.
These are the same people that think criminals have rights. (sweeping generalization blah blah blah suck it)
I'm sticking with the argument that Youtube is a company that can do whatever the hell it pleases with its property.
I'm gonna go spray graffiti on your house to exercise my right of free speech and if you paint over it or make it less accessible to the public in any way, you're guilty of censorship.
Get over yourselves.
I am not a Liberal (Marxist/Socialist) and I do believe criminals have rights. If you want to troll go troll elsewhere as your points have nothing to do with YouTube.
The only thing that you say that makes sense is that YouTube is a company that can do whatever it wants with video's posted on its servers.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.19 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 19/12/2008 12:54:59
Originally by: Super Whopper
The only thing that you say that makes sense is that YouTube is a company that can do whatever it wants with video's posted on its servers.
But it has always imposed responsibility for copyright infringements on the poster, taking no responsibility for what is uploaded themselves. That is giving freedom of speech but censorship is not.
I did wonder how long it would take for Youtube to jump on the morality bandwagon, (or be forced to).
I remember once when Ebay would sell anything, even games consoles regardless of whether they've been modded or not. Not, if you use the word modded or chipped in your description, it refuses to let you sell it on Ebay. Try to circumvent it by leet speak or hints and the staff will pull the item and probably ban your account.
The internet has no freedom any more. Paypal have policies against certain products being bought through them even though it's your money buying them and they are just agents for the transfer of said funds.
Boycott them all because of policy and you may as well pull the plug on your internet. Slowly but surely, everything is going the same way. Governments failed due to public outrage to censor what we do, instead, they are forcing these companies to censor at source.
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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar
Eternal Guardians Corp.
The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.19 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
stuff
My whole point was about youtube. Most of my post was, I did digress a little bit. The part about the criminals having rights was kind of a rant for another day.
If you can find one thing wrong with an entity choosing to do as it pleases with its own property, I encourage a rebuttal. If all you can do is spew nonsense about free speech or your rights on the internet, spare us. At this point what most people are parroting is the same garbage that the public school systems spoon feed them from kindergarten.
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