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RC Denton
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:50:00 -
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Blizzard has released it's latest expansion to that much maligned game WOW. With it they've included a new class called the deathknight. The deathknight is waaaay overpowered compared to other classes, but I do not think that was a mistake or oversite on the part of blizzard. Blizzard released some new content and wanted people to use it and play it so they made it the FOTM and everyone flocks to do it. I'm sure that in a month or two the new class will be nerfed down to the level of other classes or below, but I think that blizzard knows something that CCP doesn't: To get people to use your new content make it fun and slightly overpowered when it first comes out then nerf it later.
A game designer can always make changes to the game, but personally I think making it fun and a little over powered when it first comes out will insure it's adoption plus make it fun for the players to use it. Instead CCP does the oposite and releases new things pre-nerfed and then slowly builds them overtime. Given the lackluster response to QR as an "expansion" I don't think this policy is serving them well and instead they should follow the blizzard model of releasing ships that are OP initially and then rebalancing them after people have had a chance to have fun with them.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:52:00 -
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You poor poor soul.
*buys some bags of marshmellows and waits for the flames to begin*
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Commanderess
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:52:00 -
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this post is full of fail. overpowered in Eve is game breaking.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Shadow Command
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:53:00 -
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You appear to have forgotten the fact that deliberatly releasing overpowered content is an increadibly stupid idea.
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Druadan
Aristotle Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:54:00 -
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Something being overpowered in WoW doesn't matter nearly as much, as there is very little knock-on effect from something like that in WoW.
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Mithos Victus
Aurelius Federation
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Mithos Victus on 18/12/2008 16:55:39
 Originally by: RC Denton
A whole lot of loose comparisons
There's too many comparisons here between two games that differ on almost every fundamental level except the mere fact that they are both in the MMO genre.
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quickshot89
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:55:00 -
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what CCP knows is how to make a decent game, blizzard doesnt
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:58:00 -
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Blizzard is just feeding the pigs.
Nothing to see here.
Anything to keep people occupied with doing the same crap in different shades of brown and paying for it. Blizzard is using superficial "game design" for superficial people.
If the shoe fits....
(throw it)
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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Arrs Grazznic on 18/12/2008 16:59:38
Originally by: Commanderess
overpowered in Eve is game breaking.
This. With so many virtual assets at stake any i-win button destroys the balance of the game. Take instant isk generating POSes for example...
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Arrs
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: quickshot89
what CCP knows is how to make a decent game, blizzard doesnt
There are a good thousand possible comebacks to this thread, and somehow, you chose the only one that could make you look stupid...cause obviously their terrible game is indeed close to dying...just as soon as their close to 12 million subscribers (and growing) wake up from the drug induced haze they surely live in and realize that the game they've been playing for the past four + years is totally crap.
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Dirtee Girl
Omega Enterprises
0mega Factor
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Dirtee Girl on 18/12/2008 17:15:13
Meh tbh in wow being overpowered is hardly meaningfull , in the end even if you die the only thing you lose is the time to walk back to your corpse in eve you lose everything you had so being overpowered here would be worse for the others who weren't overpowered .
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SharpMango
14th Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sebea
Originally by: quickshot89
what CCP knows is how to make a decent game, blizzard doesnt
There are a good thousand possible comebacks to this thread, and somehow, you chose the only one that could make you look stupid...cause obviously their terrible game is indeed close to dying...just as soon as their close to 12 million subscribers (and growing) wake up from the drug induced haze they surely live in and realize that the game they've been playing for the past four + years is totally crap.
w3rd, like it or not, wow is a game that the masses like. does that make a difference to me? nope. i could never play a game involving dragons and wolves and ****, to me thats just silly. hard sci-fi on the other hand. i like. so =p. different horses for different courses.
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Neth'Rae
Gallente
Decorum Inc
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sebea
Originally by: quickshot89
what CCP knows is how to make a decent game, blizzard doesnt
There are a good thousand possible comebacks to this thread, and somehow, you chose the only one that could make you look stupid...cause obviously their terrible game is indeed close to dying...just as soon as their close to 12 million subscribers (and growing) wake up from the drug induced haze they surely live in and realize that the game they've been playing for the past four + years is totally crap.
That's kinda what happened to me.. 
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Karille
Gallente
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:18:00 -
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Blizzard can do whatever they want because what one person has and does affects everyone else in the game so little.
Oh no everyone is getting through this instance so quickly so their armor is too good!
See it just doesn't matter. It just means that item is less rare, not that they can now surprise sex everyone else in the entire game. There is no way to take something away from someone in WOW, there is no backwards progress. What you have now you will always have until you find something better.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:21:00 -
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Easily one of the silliest development ideas I've ever heard of. Who monitors MMO's for content additions that are overpowered, and moreover who joins MMO's based on the ability to use an overpowered class temporarily?
No, Blizzard introduced an overpowered class by accident, and they'll nerf it after they've assessed the fact that it's overpowered on the public servers. Eve does the same, since Sisi tests don't involve all that many people compared to the practical of ships and modules on Tranquility.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin
You appear to have forgotten the fact that deliberatly releasing overpowered content is an increadibly stupid idea.
/signed
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SecHaul
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:26:00 -
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In WOW you can level quickly, so starting a new race, training it, having some fun, and then having it rebalanced isn't a massive loss. You just then move onto the next piece of content.
In EVE, if you release something, people need to spend months training for it, then when nerfed, it is a massive loss.
In addition, new content to EVE is typically T2 / T3, which means it has bias towards older players. In WOW, everyone has to start levelling up the new character from the start. By making 'new' content over-powered, all you are doing is breaking the game for any new players even more.
The two games are just not comparable.
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Epistemic
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:29:00 -
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Seems like people are really talking about 2 different things in this thread.
Blizzard knows how to make a game that attracts an a$$ ton of subscribers. Probably though Implementing tactics that the OP described.
CCP knows how to make a game that has depth of play. (feel free to disagree with me if you really hate the game you play for some reason)
Both are "Good" games just good in different ways. Both Michael Phelps and Andy Rod**** are "good" just at completely different things.
I don't think that in any way it would be a good idea for CCP to adopt Blizzards style of "the next best" followed shortly by the Nerf bat. Wow is a really one dimensional game. Its like riding a roller coaster, as soon as it stops you get off. As soon as the wow developers stop kicking out content, that game will die a horrible death.
Eve isnt like that. You make your own roller coaster in this game. If the devs stopped pushing out "content" and only focused on bug fixes, There would still be TONS of stuff for a player to do. There would still be a constant power struggle between Power Blocks and there would still be crazy market fluctuations to make money off of.
The games are just fundamentally different in their philosophy of "progression".
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Heknai
Gallente
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:29:00 -
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My roomate plays 60hrs of WoW a week and ignores all outside stimulus. Previous roomates have failed out of school due to WoW. One friend was fired from his job. WoW is the wrecker of homes, the destroyer of lives.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
...who joins MMO's based on the ability to use an overpowered class temporarily?
WoW players, apparently. I've heard people claim this pattern with Blizzard since WoW's first expansion.
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KhaniKirai
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:32:00 -
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Nice story, but then we first need new content :D
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charming wanderer
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Heknai
My roomate plays 60hrs of WoW a week and ignores all outside stimulus. Previous roomates have failed out of school due to WoW. One friend was fired from his job. WoW is the wrecker of homes, the destroyer of lives.
WoW just caused my corp of nearly 2 years to all but dissapear when most of the guys, for some unfathomable reason, decided WoW is more fun than EVE.
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J Ripper
Caldari
Silent Retaliation
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dirtee Girl
Edited by: Dirtee Girl on 18/12/2008 17:15:13
Meh tbh in wow being overpowered is hardly meaningfull , in the end even if you die the only thing you lose is the time to walk back to your corpse in eve you lose everything you had so being overpowered here would be worse for the others who weren't overpowered .
Maybe if EVE was a bit more forgiving with loss then there would'nt be as many carebears stuck in hi-sec ?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 18/12/2008 17:39:06
Originally by: charming wanderer
WoW just caused my corp of nearly 2 years to all but dissapear when most of the guys, for some unfathomable reason, decided WoW is more fun than EVE.
It is 
Not necessarily better, but more fun for certain.
By the way, on topic, Blizzard knows how to make addictive games, how to do proper PR and what makes a big selling game.
Again, not necessarily a good thing, but effective business wise for certain.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 18/12/2008 17:37:55
Originally by: charming wanderer
WoW just caused my corp of nearly 2 years to all but dissapear when most of the guys, for some unfathomable reason, decided WoW is more fun than EVE.
It is
Not necessarily better, but more fun for certain.
I have tried maybe 5 times to find the fun, but for some reason I am not seeing it. Maybe it is the lack of spaceships 
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Salliene
Gallente
Terracorp Technologies
Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:43:00 -
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Clearly what EVE needs is more Death Knights.
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J Ripper
Caldari
Silent Retaliation
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Salliene
Clearly what EVE needs is more Death Knights.
NO! Dk's are crap fighting at range!
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MinSebsis
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Salliene
Clearly what EVE needs is more Death Knights.
*Picks up pitch fork*
/chants give us Death Knights!
*stops*
Something is just not right with this...... what does not belong?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: J Ripper
Maybe if EVE was a bit more forgiving with loss then there would'nt be as many carebears stuck in hi-sec ?
Yes, you are right. However the way things are now is the way things should be. You have the option of having real loss in the game or removing real loss from the game. With loss carebears are afraid to leave highsec. Without loss the word carebear loses its meaning, since the carebear-rules cover the entire game. They wouldn't be stuck in hi-sec, but they would still be just as carebear as before. Only the rules would change.
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Belmarduk
Amarr
M.A.R.S. Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: quickshot89
what CCP knows is how to make a decent game, blizzard doesnt
This. Period.
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