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Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:09:00 - [31] Edited by: Qui Shon on 18/12/2008 18:09:24 Originally by: Sebea Originally by: quickshot89 what CCP knows is how to make a decent game, blizzard doesnt There are a good thousand possible comebacks to this thread, and somehow, you chose the only one that could make you look stupid...cause obviously their terrible game is indeed close to dying...just as soon as their close to 12 million subscribers (and growing) wake up from the drug induced haze they surely live in and realize that the game they've been playing for the past four + years is totally crap. The masses do not want "decent", they always want superficial, light, easy crap, regardless of the subject matter.
Redbad Minmatar Mean Corp Mean Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:21:00 - [32] I don't like WOW, but their TV-commercial with The Prince of Darkness (Ozzy Osbourne) is funny.
Mikal Drey Minmatar Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:21:00 - [33] hey hey is this a blackops whine thread ?
Stikato	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:31:00 - [34] Edited by: Stikato on 18/12/2008 18:31:17 DAoC seemed to follow the OP's model. Nearly all of the expansion classes we more powerful than the original classes. It really just led to lots of people playing those new classes, and to a lot of anger amongst those who had developed and put time into the original classes. Based on my experience with that, I would rather have pre-nerfed content, than pre-buffed.
PeachesAndCream	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:34:00 - [35] Blizzard also knows that when its players **** each other its with nerf padded shlongs and cuddly reacharounds.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: J Ripper Maybe if EVE was a bit more forgiving with loss then there would'nt be as many carebears stuck in hi-sec ? Yes, you are right. However the way things are now is the way things should be. You have the option of having real loss in the game or removing real loss from the game. With loss carebears are afraid to leave highsec. Without loss the word carebear loses its meaning, since the carebear-rules cover the entire game. They wouldn't be stuck in hi-sec, but they would still be just as carebear as before. Only the rules would change. Personally, I think 0.0 is very forgiving of losses. With all the potential ISK to be made whilst not pewpewing, you barely feel the sting until you get into the big three (Dreads, Moms, and Titans). In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Ayures The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:39:00 - [37] Apple trees have released their latest brand to that much maligned fruit 'apple'. With it they've included a new fruit called the 'Granny Smith'. The Granny Smith is waaaay delicious compared to other brands of apples, but I do not think that was a mistake or oversite on the part of the apple trees. Apple trees grew some new crunchy deliciousness and wanted people to eat it so they made it the FOTM and everyone flocks to do it. I'm sure that in a month or two the new fruit will be nerfed down to the level of other brands of apples or below, but I think that apple trees know something that orange trees don't: To get people to use your new fruits, make it delicious and slightly overcrunchy when it first comes out then nerf it later. A fruit designer can always make changes to the fruit, but personally I think making it fun and a little overly delicious when it first comes out will insure it's adoption plus make it fun for the lovers of food to eat it. Instead orange trees do the oposite and release new things pre-nerfed and then slowly builds them overtime. Given the lackluster response to blood oranges as an "expansion" I don't think this policy is serving them well and instead they should follow the apple tree model of releasing oranges that are OP initially and then rebalancing them after people have had a chance to have fun with them.
Ayures The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:41:00 - [38] Originally by: quickshot89 what orange trees know is how to make a decent fruit, apple trees dont Fixed that for you.
Red Gabba Minmatar Peace Love n Harmony	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Billy Sastard Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 18/12/2008 17:37:55 Originally by: charming wanderer WoW just caused my corp of nearly 2 years to all but dissapear when most of the guys, for some unfathomable reason, decided WoW is more fun than EVE. It is Not necessarily better, but more fun for certain. I have tried maybe 5 times to find the fun, but for some reason I am not seeing it. Maybe it is the lack of spaceships there was one, it crashed, Blizzard don't do spaceships for a reason....
Ayures The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Red Gabba Originally by: Billy Sastard Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 18/12/2008 17:37:55 Originally by: charming wanderer WoW just caused my corp of nearly 2 years to all but dissapear when most of the guys, for some unfathomable reason, decided WoW is more fun than EVE. It is Not necessarily better, but more fun for certain. I have tried maybe 5 times to find the fun, but for some reason I am not seeing it. Maybe it is the lack of spaceships there was one, it crashed, Blizzard don't do spaceships for a reason.... As a longtime Warcraft fan, a voice inside me still rages whenever I'm reminded of that.
Jericho thePure	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:03:00 - [41] Originally by: Heknai My roomate plays 60hrs of WoW a week and ignores all outside stimulus. Previous roomates have failed out of school due to WoW. One friend was fired from his job. WoW is the wrecker of homes, the destroyer of lives. Gather the mob let's put that Evil WOW to the Torch! It's lynching time!
Taua Roqa Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Commanderess this post is full of fail. overpowered in Eve is game breaking.
Jericho thePure	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:06:00 - [43] Originally by: Salliene Clearly what EVE needs is more Death Knights. Space elves should do the trick tbh.
Lord Haur Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:07:00 - [44] Originally by: Redbad I don't like WOW, but their TV-commercial with The Prince of Darkness (Ozzy Osbourne) is funny. Word. The one a while back with Mr T and his "Night Elf Mohawk" was kinda funny too. --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
Lord Haur Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:08:00 - [45] Edited by: Lord Haur on 18/12/2008 19:08:12 Double Post Fail :/ --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:11:00 - [46] You guys should really dislodge your selfs from comparing apples with brimstone. Because that is what you are doing EVE =/ wow. Period. Get over it. EVE is in a league of its own. Originally by: CCP Mitnal You put a bear in your tea???
VoiceInTheDesert Gallente Diplomatic Disruption	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:27:00 - [47] Making something overpowered in WOW isn't nearly as big a deal as in EVE. In eve, when things are overpowered, people lose territory, money, ships and time to those who have the greatest quantity of overpowered ships until they are nerfed. And then once nerfed, they will probably never get it back. This game is not wow. It will never be wow. In EVE, there is risk, reward and loss. This idea is bad.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Jericho thePure Originally by: Salliene Clearly what EVE needs is more Death Knights. Space elves should do the trick tbh. We'll have Achura women in Gallente stripper suits soon enough... In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Daemonspirit Minmatar Redhawk Tribal Trust	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Sebea Originally by: quickshot89 what CCP knows is how to make a decent game, blizzard doesnt There are a good thousand possible comebacks to this thread, and somehow, you chose the only one that could make you look stupid...cause obviously their terrible game is indeed close to dying...just as soon as their close to 12 million subscribers (and growing) wake up from the drug induced haze they surely live in and realize that the game they've been playing for the past four + years is totally crap. You mean like my family and I did? They may have 12 million - but tbqh? From Beta to now, its the same thing, over, and over and over (Then, for something new, REPEATED!). I was in raiding guilds, family guilds, without guilds - I've run a PVE guild, PVP Guild and combo guilds. What WoW does doesn't matter in the Eve Universe at all. Why? The people who consistently play Eve are not the same as those who consistently play WoW (IMHO). Eve is much more learning intensive - wow is guide-you-by-the-hand until max level... vOv Totally disagree with your conclusions, hope CCP never does this. ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
Salliene Gallente Terracorp Technologies Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:43:00 - [50] EVE survived the launch of WoW, that's all that matters. The same cannot be said for Everquest, Everquest II, Lineage, Anarcy Online, Matrix Online, and many other MMORPGs. WoW and EVE are in a very special class - MMORPGs that are still gaining subscribers rather than losing them. One Girls Journey through the EVE Universe
Carnal Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:52:00 - [51] Edited by: Carnal Knowledge on 18/12/2008 19:55:09 I saw that: My latest encounter with this phenomenon: Introduction of the Kronos, the Ultimate _Mission_ Ship, webifier did 99%. got nerfed big time. Myrmidon introduced, did as much damage as an overblown BS, got nerfed big time. Eos was good, very good, wasn't being flown that much, but when it got flown by more people, it got screwed over, reaped and molested as a little child in a somewhat ungodly war, and was left over in the sewers below hell to eat the hot brown turd droppings of Satan himself This is just Gallente... Now the rest?
Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:59:00 - [52] Originally by: Daemonspirit Originally by: Sebea Originally by: quickshot89 what CCP knows is how to make a decent game, blizzard doesnt There are a good thousand possible comebacks to this thread, and somehow, you chose the only one that could make you look stupid...cause obviously their terrible game is indeed close to dying...just as soon as their close to 12 million subscribers (and growing) wake up from the drug induced haze they surely live in and realize that the game they've been playing for the past four + years is totally crap. You mean like my family and I did? They may have 12 million - but tbqh? From Beta to now, its the same thing, over, and over and over (Then, for something new, REPEATED!). I was in raiding guilds, family guilds, without guilds - I've run a PVE guild, PVP Guild and combo guilds. What WoW does doesn't matter in the Eve Universe at all. Why? The people who consistently play Eve are not the same as those who consistently play WoW (IMHO). Eve is much more learning intensive - wow is guide-you-by-the-hand until max level... vOv Totally disagree with your conclusions, hope CCP never does this. Im trying to figure out how to word this correctly, so I'm going to use a comparison that may be slightly off, but I think it will get the picture to you. Your opinion, will always be valid to you, lets start off there. To you, your own personal opinion will always matter, and will usually (for the more hard headed) be the end of the discussion, unless your open minded to the probability that you could be wrong when faced with overwhelming opinion that counters what you think. This is a rare quality in people. Now, you say, the sky is purple (just for this comparison) and the rest of the world says its blue, you, in your mind, are right, but to the rest of society, your an imbecile because obviously the sky is blue. There are people in this thread that say the game is crap. They have a right to their opinion, but their opinion is factually wrong, cause there are literally millions of people who would contradict that opinion. To you, the game may be crap, hell, to me, it may even be something I grew out of long ago, along with your family, but to call it "crap" is just blind ignorance, because obviously, its still growing in population, its still got the largest subscriber base of any game, and its still setting sales records for its retail units (read the burning crusade expansion held the record, wrath took it out upon release).
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:13:00 - [53] I've only skimmed the thread but I have some thoughts that may be along these lines. A new feature, perhaps, could be Jove characters- and hear me out here- that can learn really fast, super fast, maybe 4-5 times as fast as standard chars, but then max out at 20 million SP and only be able to train certain things (like T1 ships only and no cap ships, no industrial skills and no trading skills). I'm not here to figure out all the logistics of why this is or isn't a good idea but I think the ability to, at this stage in the game, jump in and get into the game quickly may be something that would attract newcomers. Just a thought.
Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:16:00 - [54] Originally by: Alowishus I've only skimmed the thread but I have some thoughts that may be along these lines. A new feature, perhaps, could be Jove characters- and hear me out here- that can learn really fast, super fast, maybe 4-5 times as fast as standard chars, but then max out at 20 million SP and only be able to train certain things (like T1 ships only and no cap ships, no industrial skills and no trading skills). I'm not here to figure out all the logistics of why this is or isn't a good idea but I think the ability to, at this stage in the game, jump in and get into the game quickly may be something that would attract newcomers. Just a thought. I really don't think it would, the loss penalties of eve (which is one of the reasons i play the game) are a turn off to the average gamer. It doesn't matter how easy you make getting into ships, what matters most is losing in eve hurts, which is what makes it great, you MUST think before you act, or you will suffer the consequences.
Kakwakas	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:29:00 - [55] ITT: BAAAAWWWWW my boring grindfest of a 'game' has less subscribers than that other boring grindfest of a 'game'!
Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:39:00 - [56] Originally by: Kakwakas ITT: BAAAAWWWWW my boring grindfest of a 'game' has less subscribers than that other boring grindfest of a 'game'! Quotin truth
Demeterus Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:43:00 - [57] You only have to play WoW for about a day to become vastly overpowered compared to the ones that start the next day. Which is... boring. --- Why are you reading my sig? Did you expect something of sigs?
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:45:00 - [58] Originally by: RC Denton Instead CCP does the oposite and releases new things pre-nerfed and then slowly builds them overtime. Given the lackluster response to QR as an "expansion" I don't think this policy is serving them well and instead they should follow the blizzard model of releasing ships that are OP initially and then rebalancing them after people have had a chance to have fun with them. CCP are doing this because, unlike WoW, players hav an impact on the game. Without "pre-nerfing" they would risk seriously impacting he ecosystem that is EVE. Also, in a game where you can't just create an alt and powerlevel him, but have to wait and wait and wait for skills to train; I'd say it's the most sensible approach.
Franga Gristle Industries	Posted - 2008.12.18 21:08:00 - [59] RC Denton needs to reply, otherwise I'm calling shenannigans. ----------
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.12.18 21:20:00 - [60] Originally by: Doctor Penguin You appear to have forgotten the fact that deliberatly releasing overpowered content is an increadibly stupid idea. Not if your game is PvE based. -- 249km locking?

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