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Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.21 15:43:00 - [1] Hey mission runners, I was wondering why nobody seem to be running missions for thukker in order to get nomad implants. I know there is quite a few people looking for a set but there doesnt appear to be any on markets or forum. There is one level 4 kill agent in empire (Altrinur) so it shouldnt be terribly different than running navy missions. Looking at the lp cost for the implant set, it takes 709k lps and 472 mil isk for a full set. Now, people are willing to pay over 2 bil for a full set which - unless I am missing something - makes for a far bigger isk/lp ratio than farming navy ravens. So is anyone out there actually running Thukker missions? - Gob
Leandro Salazar Better Dead Then Smeg	Posted - 2008.12.21 16:20:00 - [2] The problem is exactly that the LP reqs for them are hilariously high, and people do not expect anyone to be willing to shell out the isk to actually make it worthwhile. And tbh, if your numbers are correct (too lazy to check), even at 2 bil per set that is 2155 LP per isk, which is a ratio achievable with items from the better standard empire LP shops as well. And it is not unlikely that the Thukker LP shops offers stuff with better isk/lp as well. So either not worth the bother running for Thukker, or you get something better running for thukker. If you want Nomads on the market, bug CCP to bring their LP reqs in line with other low grade implants, rather than above other HIGH grade implants. And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.21 16:48:00 - [3] Originally by: Leandro Salazar The problem is exactly that the LP reqs for them are hilariously high, and people do not expect anyone to be willing to shell out the isk to actually make it worthwhile. And tbh, if your numbers are correct (too lazy to check), even at 2 bil per set that is 2155 LP per isk, which is a ratio achievable with items from the better standard empire LP shops as well. And it is not unlikely that the Thukker LP shops offers stuff with better isk/lp as well. So either not worth the bother running for Thukker, or you get something better running for thukker. If you want Nomads on the market, bug CCP to bring their LP reqs in line with other low grade implants, rather than above other HIGH grade implants. correct me if I am wrong, a navy raven is 600k lp and sells for 300 mil minus the cost of the raven - Gob
Jasmine Kiri Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate EVESpace	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig correct me if I am wrong, a navy raven is 600k lp and sells for 300 mil minus the cost of the raven - Gob There are many high quality L4 Caldari faction kill misson agents that give out loads of LP per mission. There are no high quality L4 Thukker faction kill mission agents. Therefore, its more time consumining to get the LP for a Nomad set than a CNR.
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Jasmine Kiri Originally by: Goberth Ludwig correct me if I am wrong, a navy raven is 600k lp and sells for 300 mil minus the cost of the raven - Gob There are many high quality L4 Caldari faction kill misson agents that give out loads of LP per mission. There are no high quality L4 Thukker faction kill mission agents. Therefore, its more time consumining to get the LP for a Nomad set than a CNR. The empire thukker agent has quality 0. On the other hand 300 mil for cnr minus the cost of the t1 raven and chip is 200 mil for 600k lp, for the nomad set, assuming you sell at 2,5 bil you are looking at 2 bil for 700k lps; which is nearly 10(!) times as much as the CN raven farming... - Gob
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig correct me if I am wrong, a navy raven is 600k lp and sells for 300 mil minus the cost of the raven If you're trying to find a good example of what rewards should be in terms of ISK/LP, I think that the Navy Raven is the last thing you should choose. You should still be able to get around 1000 ISK/LP reasonably easily. The return on Nomad sets is (probably) quite good, but I guess people prefer high-volume, low-cost items to sinking all their LPs in one basket.
Ularra Gi	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Emily Spankratchet Originally by: Goberth Ludwig correct me if I am wrong, a navy raven is 600k lp and sells for 300 mil minus the cost of the raven If you're trying to find a good example of what rewards should be in terms of ISK/LP, I think that the Navy Raven is the last thing you should choose. You should still be able to get around 1000 ISK/LP reasonably easily. The return on Nomad sets is (probably) quite good, but I guess people prefer high-volume, low-cost items to sinking all their LPs in one basket. Too bad that the only options are Cal Navy and Thukker. If only there were other agents for more usable empire corps that gave out 2k isk per LP. Shop around, you'd be surprised what's out there.
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:24:00 - [8] Isn't 2 bil / 700k nearly 3k lp/isk? Besides, really I am just looking for someone who is willing to farm those sets since the reward looks very good. - Gob
Patri Andari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Isn't 2 bil / 700k nearly 3k lp/isk? Besides, really I am just looking for someone who is willing to farm those sets since the reward looks very good. - Gob A. No one sells Nomad sets for 2 billion. B. Nomads have been selling. C. You need to look a little bit harder Patri A fool usually thinks he is a genius
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Isn't 2 bil / 700k nearly 3k lp/isk? Besides, really I am just looking for someone who is willing to farm those sets since the reward looks very good. - Gob A. No one sells Nomad sets for 2 billion. B. Nomads have been selling. C. You need to look a little bit harder Patri My whole thread is about why people arent running those apparently very remunerative missions so you may want to learn to read. Last set you linked is also over two months ago. Anyways, pasting from the thread you linked: Originally by: Astro Creep The full set cost exactly 708,750 LPs from any of the two Thukker tribe corporations (387,450 without the Omega). Thukker has 3 Lvl4 agents in empire space >0.5, and access is easily attained by doing a few COSMOS missions for them in the Algintal constellation. At 3Bn ISK you're asking 4,233 ISK/LP which translates to approx 20-40M ISK/hour depending on skill and gear. That's about 4 times as much as the LP worth of other factions. NICE! Looks like mission running might be worthed again ... you'll find me in Altrinur for the next couple of days! Considering the last two sets sold for 5 bilions... I just dont understand why people arent filling the market with these implants. - Gob

Leandro Salazar Better Dead Then Smeg	Posted - 2008.12.21 18:24:00 - [11] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Isn't 2 bil / 700k nearly 3k lp/isk? Besides, really I am just looking for someone who is willing to farm those sets since the reward looks very good. - Gob A. No one sells Nomad sets for 2 billion. B. Nomads have been selling. C. You need to look a little bit harder Patri My whole thread is about why people arent running those apparently very remunerative missions so you may want to learn to read. Last set you linked is also over two months ago. Anyways, pasting from the thread you linked: Originally by: Astro Creep The full set cost exactly 708,750 LPs from any of the two Thukker tribe corporations (387,450 without the Omega). Thukker has 3 Lvl4 agents in empire space >0.5, and access is easily attained by doing a few COSMOS missions for them in the Algintal constellation. At 3Bn ISK you're asking 4,233 ISK/LP which translates to approx 20-40M ISK/hour depending on skill and gear. That's about 4 times as much as the LP worth of other factions. NICE! Looks like mission running might be worthed again ... you'll find me in Altrinur for the next couple of days! Considering the last two sets sold for 5 bilions... I just dont understand why people arent filling the market with these implants. - Gob 1. People do not know that other people are desperate enough to shell out 5 bil for a set of low grade implants. 2. People like me that DO know still won't bother, because LP is really only a small part of my mission income, and even at 5 bil per set of Nomads, the LP income doesn't come near what I make for example off salvage. 3. The empire agent is only Q0, which means not all that many LP/mission. 4. For a seasoned mission runner running for one of the more profitable empire corps, the nomads offer at best a very slight income rise, which is not worth the hassle of moving base of operations. 5. A lot of people run for Caldari and Amarr, and those have likely bad standings to both minmatar and thukker and thus couldn't run thukker even if they wanted to. Just a few reasons why people don't bother. And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
Patri Andari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2008.12.21 18:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig My whole thread is about why people arent running those apparently very remunerative missions so you may want to learn to read. Not quite sure why you flame my comprehension of your post. You were confused by the apparent fact that no one missions for Thukker. I only pointed out that a few of your assumptions are indeed false. People are running the missions and selling the implants. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Considering the last two sets sold for 5 bilions... *I just dont understand* why people arent filling the market with these implants. - Gob Armed with this new information (you're welcome BTW) it appears that you are now baffled by the reason there are so *few* people running these missions. I will again try to help you *understand* despite the fact that you may not appreciate it. A. Running missions for Thukker will ruin your standing with Gallente and Minmatar factions. Many of the missions are against these factions as well as Concord. You will also suffer with SOE faction because of the derived standing hit. Infact, Thukker agents are NPC pirates who also dislike Amarr, Caldari, Mordus and Ammatar and will send you to kill them. Prepare to be hated by most of EvE's NPC population during your stay in empire. B. Since you get so many missions against faction navies you also get fewer instant returns in the form of bounties than you would running for a more traditional corporation. C. It is tedious to run missions in Minmatar space while being chased around by Republic Fleet because you have farmed yourself into -5 faction standing. All of the empire Thukker agents are in Minmatar space. D. Thukker agents in empire either have low quality, are in low sec, give out a crapton of courier missions or some combination of all those. All of this adds up to make Thukker farming a less attractive choice for running missions if you care about Isk/hr. Hope that helps clear things up for ya! Patri A fool usually thinks he is a genius
Meha Mott Minmatar Carebear Research and Produktion Agency	Posted - 2008.12.21 19:16:00 - [13] Thukker Tribe is an other example for Minmatar fu**ed up by CCP. Thukker should be the third R&D corp working for the minmatar republic, but.... Thukker are neutral to the minmatar republic, The give out kill missions against minmatar, The have negative standing versus the 3 other empire faction, They have only positive standing versus Angel, Sanshas Serpentis and the Jove, So if you fly for Thukker, you will get negative standing to all 4 Empire factions, and you have to deal with bad agents. doesen't sound like a good deal for me. Sorry for my bad english
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.15 00:44:00 - [14] Nomad implants are now selling for 4 to 6 bil easily. This is massive profit for the LPs. Alot of people dont know about these missions and implants so posting this hoping more will run the missions and bring the prices down, while making great profits for themselves. - Gob
Liisa	Posted - 2009.02.15 01:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Nomad implants are now selling for 4 to 6 bil easily. This is massive profit for the LPs. Alot of people dont know about these missions and implants so posting this hoping more will run the missions and bring the prices down, while making great profits for themselves. - Gob I think the problem is that too many people are not willing to invest the time to get their standings up to the required level to be able to run missions for the Thukker tribe. Please remember that a lot of the older mission runners probably have native negative standings to the Thukkers due to the old standings setup. In fact both my minmatar/gallente and my amarr/caldari mission running alts have negative standings to the Thukkers. This means that you either start a brand new 800k alt and train him up for the Thukkers or you spend a hell of a lot of time getting the standings fixed. While you are fixing your standings you are making very little money, so little that most people will not bother fixing their standings and just stay with their present agents where they probably have 9.5+ standings. Short version: this is not something that a lot of people are going to bother taking advantage of after they find out that their standings towards the Thukker Tribe are at around -2 or so.
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.15 02:03:00 - [16] Yes am just saying perhaps new farmers will see this as an opportunity to profit from a hole in the current market and more new players will undertake the thukker mission way. There are also people in 0.0 running pirate missions that could access thukkers. Assuming you are just starting to run level 4's, at current prices thukker would be way more profitable than others. - Gob
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.15 02:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Meha Mott They give out kill missions against minmatar. Something that may finally be fixed, come March 10th.
Cun Kay	Posted - 2009.02.16 10:36:00 - [18] I am selling a complete Nomad set for 6 bil. Will be able to contract it on Monday 17/Feb in the evening in Rens or Jita, depending on customer's request. Send me an ingame mail if you agree to buyout the set for 6bln. Might consider a preorder for another set implants in case the offer is lucrative.
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2009.02.16 12:48:00 - [19] Mission running is boring. Sincerely, Thukker Farmer.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.02.16 13:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Yes am just saying perhaps new farmers will see this as an opportunity to profit from a hole in the current market and more new players will undertake the thukker mission way. There are also people in 0.0 running pirate missions that could access thukkers. Assuming you are just starting to run level 4's, at current prices thukker would be way more profitable than others. - Gob Until you get a mission you can't do, or aren't willing to do (e.g. low-sec) and suddenly you have to wait 4 hours before you can get another mission. Farmers want minimal risk with the highest rewards which is why they all congregate around the Motsu mission belt. Get a crappy mission from one agent? Just get another from another CN agent in the same/adjacent system.

Elisa Coreli Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:20:00 - [21] Thukker missions are a massive waste of time because youre gonna end up being kill on sight in the systems you run missions in. Unless you are gonna do level 4 courier missions in 0.0 of course... --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Deizel	Posted - 2009.02.16 16:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Elisa Coreli Thukker missions are a massive waste of time because youre gonna end up being kill on sight in the systems you run missions in. Unless you are gonna do level 4 courier missions in 0.0 of course... This is not the case at all. I have 8.43 Corp Standing with Trust Partners and a 8.42 Faction Standing with Minmatar (look up my standing info in-game). Just don't do the storyline missions for Thukker, which you don't need for LPs and your standings with other factiosn won't be affected. Thukker is the most lucrative faction for running missions by far! Why are not more people running it? Simple: people are just lazy or ignorant, not to mention that they are consistently being fed misinformation by the very few that do run these missions charging up to 5Bn for a complete Nomad set, so they can keep the status quo earning on average 4 times the ISK/LP reward compared to any of the other four main factions.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Deizel Originally by: Elisa Coreli Thukker missions are a massive waste of time because youre gonna end up being kill on sight in the systems you run missions in. Unless you are gonna do level 4 courier missions in 0.0 of course... This is not the case at all. I have 8.43 Corp Standing with Trust Partners and a 8.42 Faction Standing with Minmatar (look up my standing info in-game). Just don't do the storyline missions for Thukker, which you don't need for LPs and your standings with other factiosn won't be affected. Thukker is the most lucrative faction for running missions by far! Why are not more people running it? Simple: people are just lazy or ignorant, not to mention that they are consistently being fed misinformation by the very few that do run these missions charging up to 5Bn for a complete Nomad set, so they can keep the status quo earning on average 4 times the ISK/LP reward compared to any of the other four main factions. For some reason ive never actually gotten a standing hit with the republic for completing a thukker tribe storyline mission (It might be a bug, since thukker and minmatar dont like eachother). Normal missions against minmatar hurt my standings like hell though. Either way, just skipping storyline wont cut it, youll have to skip missions against minmatar as well, which means 4 hours of doing nothing because (if i recall correctly), the only system with multiple level 4 agents is in syndicate, which isnt exactly save. There are of course level 4 courier agents in low sec minmatar space. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation]
Deizel	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:12:00 - [24] Actually, Minmatar and Thukker are neutral to each other, so you are right that storylines for one or the other won't affect the other's standing at all. Of course, you should decline missions against Minmatar as they will hurt standing. However, there is a nice system in high-sec which has Lvl 4 Agents for both Thukker and Minmatar.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:14:00 - [25] Hmm wow, they actually are neutral to each other. I could have sworn they had negative standings at some point in the last year --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation]
Deizel	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:18:00 - [26] Changed from positive (4 years ago) to negative to neutral. Has been neutral for 2 years now at least. BTW, both lvl 4 agents are combat agents.
Darth Obvious	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:37:00 - [27] Edited by: Darth Obvious on 16/02/2009 22:45:53 Originally by: Deizel Of course, you should decline missions against Minmatar as they will hurt standing. However, there is a nice system in high-sec which has Lvl 4 Agents for both Thukker and Minmatar. System Gelfiven (0.6/0.56 trusec) Thukker lvl4 Q18 Administration agent (roughly 75% kill) Bureaucratic + Political Connections Republic Fleet lvl4 Q18 Surveillance agent (90+ % kill) High Tech + Military Connections Both agents give decent lp rewards due to sec status and quality level. Now go grind some lp for those nomad implants.
Xencieth	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Darth Obvious System Gelfiven (0.6/0.56 trusec) and half missions you get will be ro lowsec because 2 of 3 gates from Gelfiven are to low sec systems
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.17 21:38:00 - [29] Forgive my ignorance, when you refuse a mission you lose standings but not LP right? So why do you have to wait 4 hours, I assume a farmer will build up more standing than are lost by refusing the odd mission. Also if you actually make 4x the profit then as long as you can farm for 1hr20 between each 4 hour break you are still making as much isk as a navy farmer working for the full 5hr20. - Gob
Cess Poole Black Claw Exploratory	Posted - 2009.02.17 21:46:00 - [30] Are you camping the stations or what?



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