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Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2008.12.22 12:48:00 - [31] The thing with sneaking up on people is you really want to get a tackle. I'd seriously consider fitting a sensor booster + scan res script. TBH with a dual web + scram keeping the tackle shouldn't be so hard even without a mwd/ab. Drone nav computer is useless with your fit. Get an omnidirectional drone mod, bring Garde/Curator IIs and use your sin to keep tackle while the sentries rip him apart. On the other hand, kessah has a good point. Maybe when they get a fuel bay. For now, I'd consider selling the sin and getting some more useful and efficient ships. All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.22 13:01:00 - [32] Quote: With this sort of role in mind should you not be using vigil/atron/condor/whatever instead of stelth bomber???I mean most people warp to the bloody belts at 0 you can live without the speed bonus and recalibration is no problem in a tech I frig if you use scanner for warning and decloak as soon as the thingy comes outof warp next to you... I means 200k disposable tackler > 20mill disposable tackler no? The OP was only using 1 bonus from the Sin, the no recalibration delay on decloaking. This doesn't matter because he's still a battleship with a cloak and no sensor boosters, so he couldn't tackle anything anyway. 20mil isk for "no decloak recalibration delay" is far more cost efficient than 500mil isk for the same, however a frigate actually stands a chance to tackle something before it can warp off. He could use a vigil sure, but loses the only advantage he had which is he's cloaked so the ratter doesn't know he's there. If he fits cloak on a t1 frigate he's got a 10s recalibration delay to content with before he can tackle which is enough time for even a battleship to gtfo. Personally I think using any ship for this role is stupid. I've seen everything up to motherships sitting cloaked in belts waiting for newbs to go ratting and tbqh it's a very boring and inefficient "tactic" where you sit and wait for things to come to you. -------------------------- NOTR nsfw
William Caldon Caldari Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens	Posted - 2008.12.23 01:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: William Caldon Originally by: Merin Ryskin What an absurd waste of ISK. If you absolutely have to fly the ship and refuse to get a Thanatos (which is better in every possible way), at least fit it with plain T2. Faction mods only add to the already excessive price tag, while doing nothing to change your inevitable death if you run into any non-comedy opponent. Oh, and the cloak is worthless. Fit a neut instead. Quoting Merin because he/she/it? is stupid. William Quoting troll because it can't figure out how to make a proper constructive reply. Really guys, jumping on the "lol, Merin sucks" bandwagon doesn't win you any points if that's all you have to offer. So please, tell me how: 1) Putting a ton of expensive faction mods on a ship that gets near-zero benefit from them is a good idea. OR 2) How a Sin does anything better than a Dominix or Thanatos, especially for someone who doesn't really have any plans for using the jump bridge. Arguing with you is pointless. You think Force Recons actually suffer from having a cloaking device and you shield tank Amarr. Your opinion is both pointless and unneeded.
Lefevre Caldari Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2008.12.23 02:17:00 - [34] Originally by: kessah Here you go. 2x Amarr Navy LAR 2x Amarr Navy EANM 1x Explosive Hardener II 1x DCU II 2x True Sansha Heavy Cap Boosters 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Warp Scram II 1x Web II 1x 100mn MWD II 4x Heavy Neutron Blaster II 1x Cloak 1x True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb 1x True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer. 2x Nanobot Accelerators When it gets a fuel bay, all the cool kids will be flying this Id have an alt in a Falcon etc carry further fuel/cap 800s for you in mean time. Or have enough fuel for 1 mebbie 2 jumps. You dont need the covert cyno fitted, thats for your alt to fit. Almost identical to my setup just i run with a sensor booster insted of a warp scrambler because of the reduced lock speed. and then 2 neuts insted. - - Mind controlled by Chode Rizoum
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.23 02:28:00 - [35] I'm gettin' really ***ed off at all the people who hate on a ship that somebody owns. If Solomon had a THANATOS I am SURE he would have posted a "I just got a Thanatos through less than legit means and am looking for a fit" thread. But he didn't. Instead he got a Sin and now he's looking for a fit. Also Kessah, way to steal my original design :P [Sin, Pure PVP] Dark Blood Large Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Cormack's Modified 100MN MicroWarpdrive Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor Mizuro's Modified Stasis Webifier ECCM - Magnetometric II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Selynne's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer Thon's Modified Cloaking Device Auxiliary Nano Pump II Nanobot Accelerator II Ogre II x5 Wasp EC-900 x5 Warrior II x5 Berserker II x5 This is a variation of a fit that I used for solo PVP, Solomon. I had this ship and lost it in a really crappy incident regarding a desynch. CCP is out on the petition right now after I presented them with some bug report responses. At any rate, here is a solid fit that should provide you both the entertainment and the means to enjoy solo PVP. What you have here is a mixture of modules that go above and beyond their standard modules giving you the best bang for your buck. Literally. As you profess to understand how to move about in a Sin under the radar, I believe you can understand how this ship would work well in solo ops. You've got a long range point and a long range neut. That knocks down interceptors and frigates that are screaming out of standard range. It also really messes up recon ships that are hanging out just beyond 30km. (If you've got it, use a power grid implant and fit a better neutralizer. Trust me, neuting at 39km is the best.) Once you get in range your focus is the guns. Not the best DPS output, but you've got drones for that. So you're going at about 650-700 DPSish, which is a fairly decent amount for a SOLO battleship that is trying to do everything at once. Moving along, you have a buffer in your lows. You don't NEED to go A-Type EANMs but it does add a pleasant buffer. Also, fit a plate. The extra 4000 armor you get will be greeted by excellent resists. And let's admit, you're not going to get anything better with another energized/hardener module anyway. The mixed MAR/LAR combination allows you to dictate how much cap you use to tank. The A-Type MAR is a MUST*, first because of your grid being crap and second because it reps nearly as much as a LAR without being so cap hungry. So you're looking at a little over a 700 DPS tank with this setup and a little bit more if you throw on some implants (which I would highly suggest using. A 5% rep implant goes a long way, and so does a 5% armor buffer implant. The rep implant is more important in my opinion). Finally, an ECCM prevents you from losing a potential target, a sensor booster overcomes your scan penalty from your cloak and the MWD (X-Type or Cormack only) provides you with a cap buffer that you will need. Oh and one more thing-- this is important. Get Black Ops to AT LEAST 4 if you don't have it already. Aligning like a HAC is amazing. Literally, you can align, cloak, decloak (almost immediately after you cloak) and be at speed to warp. If you use an officer cloak your chances are way better for this, but that's optional. Otherwise you're looking at about a 5-6 sec align time.) ENJOY YOUR SIN! And don't let anyone smack it. She's a great ship. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.23 02:34:00 - [36] Originally by: Rajere Personally I think using any ship for this role is stupid. I've seen everything up to motherships sitting cloaked in belts waiting for newbs to go ratting and tbqh it's a very boring and inefficient "tactic" where you sit and wait for things to come to you. Note: only double posting because I was out of room to write in my last post. Rajere, have you ever heard of fishing? Yeah. Some of us like to fish. This ship allows you to fish better than most other ships. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.23 03:40:00 - [37] Originally by: William Caldon Arguing with you is pointless. You think Force Recons actually suffer from having a cloaking device and you shield tank Amarr. Your opinion is both pointless and unneeded. No wonder you think arguing with me is pointless, you argue against a strawman of me instead of what I've actually said. I do not think force recons suffer from having a cloaking device. In fact, I've said very clearly, many times, that the covops cloak is incredibly powerful, and the reason why force recons are awesome and combat recons suck. As far as shield tanking Amarr, there are a couple ships that are better with shield tanks. Try looking at the numbers on a shield tanked Harbinger before you just mindlessly quote "Amarr = armor". Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I'm gonna throw you into a wall. YOU were the troll that walked into this thread. YOU were the one who said "sell it and get something else". YOU are the one who is saying that it is a waste of isk to buy a ship that is in the game so people can use it. YOU are not contributing to this thread for the purpose that it was created. I didn't just say "sell it and get something else", I specifically commented on the stupidity of using faction mods on a Sin. A flaw, by the way, which your own setup suffers from just as well. Plain and simple, it sucks. The only reason to ever use a setup like that is to say "look at me, I'm RICH!!!!!", which I suspect is your entire purpose in posting here. If you're ever in a situation where you get any benefit from all that money (and you don't, if you're just ganking noob ratters), you are dead, end of discussion. A T1 battleship will massacre a black ops, no matter how much money you put into it. All you accomplish in the end is giving a lot more money to the people who kill you. If you really care about using the ship effectively and not just "mine's bigger" bragging, sell all that faction/officer junk and buy multiple spare Sins to replace your losses. -----------
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.23 03:44:00 - [38] Originally by: Merin Ryskin A T1 battleship will massacre a black ops, no matter how much money you put into it. That's the problem, you aren't thinking outside of the box, or in the context of this ship. A Black Ops has the CHOICE to engage a target or not. With a cloak (which it has a bonus for) means you can select a ship and then blow it up. Much how people looking for targets in highsec missions work. They select a target then PICK the one they want. It's no different here. And just because I throw a lot of isk into my ship doesn't mean I have lots of money. It means I care about my ship and I want to make it do something extraordinary. Which it does. Really Merin, you're trolling. MY purpose for posting here was to offer him a ship to his specification (faction fit, solo PVP). I used this ship to do that so I offered him my suggestions. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.23 03:50:00 - [39] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/12/2008 03:52:10 Think for half a second before you post. If you can pick your targets, you are picking targets that you don't need faction mods to kill. While I'm sure it's awesome to hide from the PvP blob and then gank a ratting Drake, if you need a billion ISK setup to do that, you should think about going back to WoW. Therefore the correct choice is to use a plain T2 fit, and spend all that money on something else. If you can't pick your targets (for example, your target is smart enough to set a trap for you), you will die. No amount of faction/officer mods will save your black ops from dying an expensive death. Therefore again, the correct choice it to use a plain T2 fit, and sell the officer/faction mods to buy a replacement Sin. Either way, faction fitting a Sin is pure stupidity. Though weren't you the guy who spent a few hundred million ISK on a Navy Comet, ignored all comments about it being a waste of ISK, and then died embarrassingly to a random Drake just like everyone said you would? BTW: a carrier has the choice of whether to engage or not. If you don't like the target, your cyno pilot just stays cloaked and ignores it. -----------
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.23 03:54:00 - [40] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/12/2008 03:50:41 Think for half a second before you post. If you can pick your targets, you are picking targets that you don't need faction mods to kill. While I'm sure it's awesome to hide from the PvP blob and then gank a ratting Drake, if you need a billion ISK setup to do that, you should think about going back to WoW. Therefore the correct choice is to use a plain T2 fit, and spend all that money on something else. If you can't pick your targets (for example, your target is smart enough to set a trap for you), you will die. No amount of faction/officer mods will save your black ops from dying an expensive death. Therefore again, the correct choice it to use a plain T2 fit, and sell the officer/faction mods to buy a replacement Sin. Either way, faction fitting a Sin is pure stupidity. Though weren't you the guy who spent a few hundred million ISK on a Navy Comet, only to die embarrassingly to a random Drake? Man I could argue that faction fitting any ship is "pure stupidity". But some people play EVE for fun-factor. Faction and officer mods let you do stuff that you can't do with just normal versions of modules. They make your ship waaaaaaaay crazy. I like camping station in my Sin and tackling people and killing them just because I can. For those that I can't kill I stay hidden. And you don't seem to understand that faction mods indeed can extend your life. More resists = longer lifespan. I'm seriously done talking to you, because you don't seem to want to play EVE to have fun, you want to play EVE to be right. If you can read the thread OP then contribute with a positive response to the OP then that should be your next reply. I am not requesting a response from you for any of my posts. Anything else is trolling and I'll report you for it. So think before you post. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com

Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.23 04:00:00 - [41] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Man I could argue that faction fitting any ship is "pure stupidity". But some people play EVE for fun-factor. Faction and officer mods let you do stuff that you can't do with just normal versions of modules. They make your ship waaaaaaaay crazy. That's not true. Some ships benefit greatly from faction fits (though in proportion to their hull cost). The Sin is not one of them, since any opponent that would challenge a full-T2 Sin will kill a faction Sin just as easily. Quote: I like camping station in my Sin and tackling people and killing them just because I can. For those that I can't kill I stay hidden. And you don't seem to understand that faction mods indeed can extend your life. More resists = longer lifespan More resists = longer lifespan only if you have a chance of winning the fight. If your Sin is engaged by anything that would be a threat to a T2 Sin (for example, a Dominix), you will die. The extra resists will not save you, they'll just make the people who killed you very happy. And a second Sin in your hangar = 2x longer lifespan, for a much cheaper price. Quote: I'm seriously done talking to you, because you don't seem to want to play EVE to have fun, you want to play EVE to be right. If you can read the thread OP then contribute with a positive response to the OP then that should be your next reply. I am not requesting a response from you for any of my posts. Anything else is trolling and I'll report you for it. Wow. "I get the last word, or I'll report you for trolling".... I don't see people sink that low very often. Congratulations. -----------
Philip Sterling Fat J Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.12.23 05:24:00 - [42] I think the sin is really a fine ship. I have found, however, that it's useless solo unless you're fitting 2x sensor boosters with scan res scripts. I've also found a caldari navy cloaking device to be well worth the extra isk. personally, i also like your dual 250mm rails. i like to fit dual reps, 2 eanm, dcu, and a plate in lows. and i like to do dual webs, point, cap booster, and dual sb's in mids. don't expect to catch everything you want to, but i reckon it's still a great ship for low-secing. P.S. - CCP, please nerf/boost EVERYTHING.
Isa Spike Caldari Daala Spaceworks	Posted - 2008.12.23 05:30:00 - [43] Get a Pilgrim alt and hot drop yourself on stuff. Fit with blasters not rails and go for gank. Then cyno out.
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2008.12.23 06:23:00 - [44] Merin finally got owned. Makes my heart gladden. I have a setup similar to yours Solomon on my redeemer. However I don't use Active Hardeners, but that's your choice. Otherwise, seems pretty good to me but I'd remove the Drone navigation computer for something else. --Isaac --Isaac Starstriker Diplomat of SOLAR
kessah The Accursed	Posted - 2008.12.23 06:39:00 - [45] Edited by: kessah on 23/12/2008 06:41:52 hmmm respectfully Siigari, i didnt steal your design. I fit my Dominix up something similar, it was only logical i would do so similarly to this ship. -no ill hidden tone there. I love dual injecting my ships personally, i find they run rings over plate battleships. Also gives me the enjoyment of being more in control over more circumstances within a fight, than a plate ship, sat there until one or the other is dead. If you fit that to your sin, christ i really wished id scrambled you that time i engaged you, grrr. Altho that setup i posted tanks approx 880 dps and my abaddon i engaged you with only dishes out 800 dps -in which your tank was failing, so i think you must have upgraded it recently with pretty mods.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.23 07:19:00 - [46] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Man I could argue that faction fitting any ship is "pure stupidity". But some people play EVE for fun-factor. Faction and officer mods let you do stuff that you can't do with just normal versions of modules. They make your ship waaaaaaaay crazy. The difference here is some ships benefit considerably from faction and officer mods (for example, capital ships, faction warp disruptors on a Zealot, etc). The Sin is not one of them. Anything that will kill a T2 Sin (such as a Dominix) will kill a faction/officer sin just as easily. Quote: I like camping station in my Sin and tackling people and killing them just because I can. For those that I can't kill I stay hidden. And you don't seem to understand that faction mods indeed can extend your life. More resists = longer lifespan Faction mods only extend your life if you have a life to begin with. Slightly delaying your inevitable death is just a complete waste of money if it doesn't give you a chance of winning. And in any fight where a T2 Sin can't win, a faction/officer Sin can't win either. All the faction/officer fit accomplishes is giving more profit to the people that kill you. Also note that if you buy a second Sin instead of the faction/officer fit, you have 2x the lifespan, and that's FAR more than you can expect to get out of that absurd waste of ISK you posted. Quote: I'm seriously done talking to you, because you don't seem to want to play EVE to have fun, you want to play EVE to be right. If you can read the thread OP then contribute with a positive response to the OP then that should be your next reply. I am not requesting a response from you for any of my posts. Anything else is trolling and I'll report you for it. That IS a positive response. If you don't like your officer/faction fits being criticized, then don't post them on a public forum. And don't abuse the report function to get the last word in an argument. -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.23 07:32:00 - [47] To prove my point: [Dominix, New Setup 2] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I More tank than your mutli-billion ISK abomination, cap lasts the same time, and HP buffer is only slightly less (hint: overload your hardeners when you need the extra buffer). Now, guess what that means: assuming every other module on both ships is the same, your multi-billion ISK abomination is going to die embarassingly to a plain T2 Dominix with a price tag of under 100 million ISK. Conclusion: spending that much money on tanking a Sin is a terrible idea. Anything smaller than a T1 battleship should be killed just fine by a pure T2 fit Sin (note: a Dominix does the same), meanwhile the T1 battleships (and any capitals, of course) will kill you despite all that extra money. -----------
Fodderlol	Posted - 2008.12.23 09:29:00 - [48] Some of you need to stop buying so many time-cards and give some money to a charity or something.
Nitakka Kittens With Razor Blades	Posted - 2008.12.23 15:55:00 - [49] Originally by: Merin Ryskin To prove my point: [Dominix, New Setup 2] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I More tank than your mutli-billion ISK abomination, cap lasts the same time, and HP buffer is only slightly less (hint: overload your hardeners when you need the extra buffer). Now, guess what that means: assuming every other module on both ships is the same, your multi-billion ISK abomination is going to die embarassingly to a plain T2 Dominix with a price tag of under 100 million ISK. Conclusion: spending that much money on tanking a Sin is a terrible idea. Anything smaller than a T1 battleship should be killed just fine by a pure T2 fit Sin (note: a Dominix does the same), meanwhile the T1 battleships (and any capitals, of course) will kill you despite all that extra money. Dude, you've completely missed the point. OP doesnt want to engage battleships, he wants to pick his targets. The whole point is to have fun with a rare use ship. No one cares about how much isk it costs. This is for pure sh*ts and giggles.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.24 02:44:00 - [50] Originally by: Nitakka Dude, you've completely missed the point. OP doesnt want to engage battleships, he wants to pick his targets. The whole point is to have fun with a rare use ship. No one cares about how much isk it costs. This is for pure shts and giggles. Did you even read my posts, or did you just stop at "lol, a Dominix setup"? If he's not engaging battleships, he doesn't need a faction setup*. A plain T2 setup will do the job just fine, for a much smaller price tag. -----------

Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2008.12.24 04:22:00 - [51] Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 24/12/2008 04:24:18 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Nitakka Dude, you've completely missed the point. OP doesnt want to engage battleships, he wants to pick his targets. The whole point is to have fun with a rare use ship. No one cares about how much isk it costs. This is for pure shts and giggles. Did you even read my posts, or did you just stop at "lol, a Dominix setup"? If he's not engaging battleships, he doesn't need a faction setup*. A plain T2 setup will do the job just fine, for a much smaller price tag. -_- why Faction anything?? TO HAVE FUN WITH UBER FITTINGS!! That's why you do it. Geez, get a clue. --Isaac --Isaac Starstriker Diplomat of SOLAR
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.24 04:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker -_- why Faction anything?? TO HAVE FUN WITH UBER FITTINGS!! That's why you do it. Geez. --Isaac You faction fit some ships because you get a significant benefit from it. For example, a faction warp disruptor on a pulse Zealot gives a massive improvement in your target options and chances of escaping a fight that goes badly. On the other hand, officer fitting an Ibis accomplishes nothing but an expensive lossmail. While a faction/officer Sin is not quite as bad as an officer Ibis, it's much closer to that end of the scale than to the Zealot. And don't tell me about "fun". Faction fits are fun because a good faction fit on the right ship can do absolutely insane things and walk away with the killmail. It's fun because of the advantages, not just because your ship is now 100x as expensive. In the case of the Sin, you get zero advantage from a faction fit, so I fail to see how this makes it "fun". -----------
Szent AdamKiraly Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.24 04:36:00 - [53] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Isaac Starstriker -_- why Faction anything?? TO HAVE FUN WITH UBER FITTINGS!! That's why you do it. Geez. --Isaac You faction fit some ships because you get a significant benefit from it. For example, a faction warp disruptor on a pulse Zealot gives a massive improvement in your target options and chances of escaping a fight that goes badly. On the other hand, officer fitting an Ibis accomplishes nothing but an expensive lossmail. While a faction/officer Sin is not quite as bad as an officer Ibis, it's much closer to that end of the scale than to the Zealot. And don't tell me about "fun". Faction fits are fun because a good faction fit on the right ship can do absolutely insane things and walk away with the killmail. It's fun because of the advantages, not just because your ship is now 100x as expensive. In the case of the Sin, you get zero advantage from a faction fit, so I fail to see how this makes it "fun". As much as i agree with you (and i do, anyone who flys a Sin is an idiot tbh) you are missing the point of the thread.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.24 04:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Szent AdamKiraly As much as i agree with you (and i do, anyone who flys a Sin is an idiot tbh) you are missing the point of the thread. The point of the thread is "how to fit a Sin?". The answer to it is plain T2... it's not my fault people keep suggesting completely absurd faction setups. -----------
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2008.12.24 07:15:00 - [55] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Szent AdamKiraly As much as i agree with you (and i do, anyone who flys a Sin is an idiot tbh) you are missing the point of the thread. The point of the thread is "how to fit a Sin?". The answer to it is plain T2... it's not my fault people keep suggesting completely absurd faction setups. You know what Merin? People play the game to have fun, not to get approval from anyone. Especially someone like you who seems to hate cloaking ships and small gang warfare and thinks it should be massive blob fests. Please, just quit the forums now. You'll make us all happier. Especially since no one is on YOUR side. --Isaac --Isaac Starstriker Diplomat of SOLAR
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.24 07:49:00 - [56] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker You know what Merin? People play the game to have fun, not to get approval from anyone. Especially someone like you who seems to hate cloaking ships and small gang warfare and thinks it should be massive blob fests. Please, just quit the forums now. You'll make us all happier. Especially since no one is on YOUR side.--Isaac Got any other absurd strawmen (or maybe I'm being too generous, call them outright lies) you'd like to make? First I "don't fit cloaks on force recons", now I "hate cloaking ships and small gang warfare". Here's a hint: I love cloaking ships, that is, the ones that do it right: *force recons. Here's another hint: the overwhelming majority of my kills are done solo or with a gang of 5 or less. I can't wait to see what * you make up next about what I've supposedly said. And let me repeat the post you clearly missed: And don't tell me about "fun". Faction fits are fun because a good faction fit on the right ship can do absolutely insane things and walk away with the killmail. It's fun because of the advantages**, not just because your ship is now 100x as expensive. In the case of the Sin, you get zero advantage from a faction fit, so I fail to see how this makes it "fun". -----------
Win ISK Hedion University	Posted - 2008.12.24 08:48:00 - [57] OP has no idea what he is doing.
Szent AdamKiraly Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.24 13:48:00 - [58] Well my attempt to de-fuse the situation failed miserably. Le sigh.
Neyro7830 Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.12.24 13:55:00 - [59] Merin winning does not necessarily equal fun for everyone. You'll just have to accept that other people have fun in different ways, other than min-maxing and flying the "right ship" with the "right fit"... Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer


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