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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 21/12/2008 18:25:31 So I find myself in an interesting situation. Last night, I acquired a SIN through less than legit means. I'll leave the details to your imagination. After contemplating it, I've decided to faction-fit it and use it in my low-sec/null-sec solo roams.
So, I've been in EFT attempting to come up with a ... unique fitting for it. Basically, I'd be looking for battle-cruisers & below, an occasional HAC ... you know, picking your prey wisely. I've come up with this and could use some opinions:
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[Sin, Solo-PvP REVISED] True Sansha Large Armor Repairer True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
Amarr Navy Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Dark Blood Warp Disruptor Dark Blood Warp Scrambler Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Drone Navigation Computer I
Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Covert Cynosural Field Generator I Covert Jump Portal Generator I Caldari Navy Cloaking Device
Auxiliary Nano Pump II Nanobot Accelerator II
Ogre II x5
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Need your opinions, please. =)
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 21/12/2008 18:23:22 No mwd? I can understand the lack of eccm/sensorbooster but if you get jammed you want to bump them at least while your drones kill ;) I'd ditch the second web for it, you already have scram + disr.
Also if you're not gonna cloak it, what does this do that a domi can't?
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 21/12/2008 18:25:22 Do you need the portal generator and cyno for solo ops? Also, a drone speed mod instead of a speed mod for your own ship? Gonna be hard to keep people from evading warp scrams without at least an AB unless you come out of warp within web range of the enemy.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 21/12/2008 18:29:17
Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 21/12/2008 18:23:22 No mwd? I can understand the lack of eccm/sensorbooster but if you get jammed you want to bump them at least while your drones kill ;) I'd ditch the second web for it, you already have scram + disr.
Also if you're not gonna cloak it, what does this do that a domi can't?
Oops... epic failure, on my part. I forgot the f**king cloak. Full of win here, I know. OP revised.
Edit: Alright. Well, the goal is to lurk. To sit in a belt, let my prey come to me, get within 10km, uncloak, web+point & kill. I wasn't a fan of what the MWD did to my cap + fitting abilities. Thus, the rails.
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 21/12/2008 18:25:22 Do you need the portal generator and cyno for solo ops? Also, a drone speed mod instead of a speed mod for your own ship? Gonna be hard to keep people from evading warp scrams without at least an AB unless you come out of warp within web range of the enemy.
Well, my buddy might tag along with me. He flies a Widow. So I want to be able to solo-jump + jump him in, etc. On a spur of the moment thing, ya know? Something I am missing, here? I am new to this whole jumping thing so please, clarify.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:32:00 -
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Not meaning to bump my own post with this ... but is a single rep enough?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 21/12/2008 18:36:09
Originally by: Solomon XI Not meaning to bump my own post with this ... but is a single rep enough?
Uhm. A few high-damage plated HAC's will shred you. 425mm vagabond, pulse plated zealot..but it depends on the situation really.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Solomon XI Not meaning to bump my own post with this ... but is a single rep enough?
Uhm. A few high-damage plated HAC's will shred you. 425mm vagabond, pulse plated zealot, even a well fitted HAM drake would totally tear you a new one :)
Well that's common knowledge. Picking your battles wisely, ya know? What I'm asking ... would it be enough to tank most BC's? And maybe a ratting BS?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 21/12/2008 18:38:36 If you're gonna be hunting ratters, fit a specific tank and you'll smoke them, HAC, BC, BS, anything.
*oh and I ment solo for the HACs, a solo 425mm vaga would totally rip you apart with barrage or emp alike. He will run circles around you, negating a good portion of the damage your heavy drones can do with an afterburner and has enough buffer to withstand lights or meds.
Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart |

Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 21/12/2008 18:43:12
Originally by: Sokratesz If you're gonna be hunting ratters, fit a specific tank and you'll smoke them, HAC, BC, BS, anything.
Prefer an omni. The reason I say this is that eve is like a box of chocolate, you never know what you're going to get. I could be looking for something specific & find something special instead, you know what I'm saying?
Quote: *oh and I ment solo for the HACs, a solo 425mm vaga would totally rip you apart with barrage or emp alike. He will run circles around you, negating a good portion of the damage your heavy drones can do with an afterburner and has enough buffer to withstand lights or meds.
Well, medium drones might be able to handle the Vagabond issue. Plus a decent web-range with the Gallente webs, 14-base, 18 w/ an over-heat. The WS has a 10km-12km range. So the Vagabond issue, while significant, is in theory, insignificant. It might have a buffer, yes. But the Domi does get a 50% bonus to drone damage dealt & I have max drone skills. So there is hope. And if I get said Vagabond webbed+scrammed, it's game over. The Ogre II's will deal with him at that point.
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Kira Novia
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:47:00 -
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Get a Widow. The SIN is failure to the highest extent.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kira Novia Get a Widow. The SIN is failure to the highest extent.
If I wanted a WIDOW, I would've trained Caldari. This is a request in relation to the SIN, not the Widow. GTFO of my thread. K, thx, and bye.
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kessah
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:52:00 -
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Here you go.
2x Amarr Navy LAR 2x Amarr Navy EANM 1x Explosive Hardener II 1x DCU II
2x True Sansha Heavy Cap Boosters 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Warp Scram II 1x Web II 1x 100mn MWD II
4x Heavy Neutron Blaster II 1x Cloak 1x True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb 1x True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer.
2x Nanobot Accelerators
When it gets a fuel bay, all the cool kids will be flying this 
Id have an alt in a Falcon etc carry further fuel/cap 800s for you in mean time. Or have enough fuel for 1 mebbie 2 jumps.
You dont need the covert cyno fitted, thats for your alt to fit.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: kessah Here you go.
2x Amarr Navy LAR 2x Amarr Navy EANM 1x Explosive Hardener II 1x DCU II
2x True Sansha Heavy Cap Boosters 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Warp Scram II 1x Web II 1x 100mn MWD II
4x Heavy Neutron Blaster II 1x Cloak 1x True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb 1x True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer.
2x Nanobot Accelerators
When it gets a fuel bay, all the cool kids will be flying this 
Id have an alt in a Falcon etc carry further fuel/cap 800s for you in mean time. Or have enough fuel for 1 mebbie 2 jumps.
You dont need the covert cyno fitted, thats for your alt to fit.
Assuming of course that you actually have an alt, which I do not. I'll plug this fitting into EFT & check it out.
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kessah
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.12.21 19:03:00 -
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I have no problem fitting this.
No alt, dont fly it. Battleships solo are for people with alts, you'll lose it before you get more than 10 jumps in low sec.
10821.2 out of 11000 pg.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.21 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: kessah I have no problem fitting this.
No alt, dont fly it. Battleships solo are for people with alts, you'll lose it before you get more than 10 jumps in low sec.
10821.2 out of 11000 pg.
I'm a little less paranoid & am a bit more confident in my abilities than you seem to be. The fitting you suggested is sound, a good idea indeed.
Flying a battleship solo in low/null sec is an art and a game of chance. The black-op's provides you with the needed tools. You just need to use them properly.
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kessah
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.12.21 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: kessah I have no problem fitting this.
No alt, dont fly it. Battleships solo are for people with alts, you'll lose it before you get more than 10 jumps in low sec.
10821.2 out of 11000 pg.
I'm a little less paranoid & am a bit more confident in my abilities than you seem to be. The fitting you suggested is sound, a good idea indeed.
Flying a battleship solo in low/null sec is an art and a game of chance. The black-op's provides you with the needed tools. You just need to use them properly.
im confident in my abilities man, not about that. Abilties count for nothing when a blob comes.
Also if u have no alt how are u going to utilise the covert jump portal ability? Have you flown one of these before?
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.21 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: kessah Also if u have no alt how are u going to utilise the covert jump portal ability? Have you flown one of these before?
Negative. This would be a first for me, as stated above in an earlier post. I have never flown one of these, before. As I said, I want to be able to jump somewhere, solo. And if my buddy (who flies a Widow) decides to join me, be able to cyno him in. Or maybe even a friends falcon, depending.
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kessah
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.12.21 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: kessah Also if u have no alt how are u going to utilise the covert jump portal ability? Have you flown one of these before?
Negative. This would be a first for me, as stated above in an earlier post. I have never flown one of these, before. As I said, I want to be able to jump somewhere, solo. And if my buddy (who flies a Widow) decides to join me, be able to cyno him in. Or maybe even a friends falcon, depending.
Ok, no problem. Dont use that fit then bud. Black op's cyno fields are created by another pilot (normally an alt) by only recons or covert op ships. They are unseen on sensors, but black ops can use both regular and covert cyno's (Tactical benefits to using the regular ones in certain circumstances).
The range is very small, but ideal for getting into low sec pockets were carebears feel safe. You will need an alt or a friend to beam you in so to speak, so your not able to solo in it in the strict sense of the word.
Myself run a Redeemer, but have had a Sin in which i traded it for. The Sin will be awesome when the fuel bay is introduced though.
My suggestion to you is to fly a Recon ship and cyno in your friends (Arazu is good for this), without an alt your unable to utilise this ship properly for solo work.
This is my opinion, however its an expensive ship and you cannot blind jump with this ship and not expect to lose it within a day.
Hope this helps you.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.21 20:58:00 -
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Just a crazy guess...
[Sin, Solo] Amarr Navy Large Armor Repairer Amarr Navy Large Armor Repairer Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Domination Warp Disruptor True Sansha Stasis Webifier True Sansha Stasis Webifier Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer Covert Cynosural Field Generator I Caldari Navy Cloaking Device
Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Ogre II x5
Personally would never fly it solo, and definitely would not decloak with another BS hunting me. Neut is there for breaking tanks or scaring off/turning off mwd of speedy tacklers.
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Menzies Campbell
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Posted - 2008.12.21 23:22:00 -
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I'd say pack an MWD, just so you can do the cloak warp trick if nothing else.
Could save you from a nasty loss in a big gate camp.
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Rajere
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.22 03:57:00 -
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If you stick to low sec you can blind jump gates all you want, doesn't matter what they have on a gate the sin is uncatchable.
Your plan on how you want to use your blackops is a very poor plan and waste of the ship tbh. The ship costs 500mil because it has a jump drive. If you are not using your jump drive you are doing it wrong. It absolutely requires another ship to light a covert cyno in order to function properly. You are using it as an extremely expensive stealth bomber. The difference is, you have scan res of a boulder with no sensor boosters so even sitting cloaked in a belt you will never tackle anything, unless it wants to get tackled by you, in which case he knows something you do not.
For what you want to use the ship for, you would be far better suited to Stick a friend or get an alt and put them in a plated tackle fit stealth bomber cloaked, and use a t1 bs also cloaked, both in the same belt. If something comes to your belt, decloak em and have the stealth bomber and point web and ab orbit close etc. The stealth bombers only job is to decloak and tackle stuff and stay alive long enough for the bs to finish the sensor recalibration penalty and get tackle of its own.
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Rejected Enlightenment
Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2008.12.22 04:25:00 -
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[Sin, Shield] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Internal Force Field Array I
Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Improved Cloaking Device II Covert Jump Portal Generator I Ammatar Navy Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I
Ogre II x5
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Crellion
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.22 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere If you stick to low sec you can blind jump gates all you want, doesn't matter what they have on a gate the sin is uncatchable.
Your plan on how you want to use your blackops is a very poor plan and waste of the ship tbh. The ship costs 500mil because it has a jump drive. If you are not using your jump drive you are doing it wrong. It absolutely requires another ship to light a covert cyno in order to function properly. You are using it as an extremely expensive stealth bomber. The difference is, you have scan res of a boulder with no sensor boosters so even sitting cloaked in a belt you will never tackle anything, unless it wants to get tackled by you, in which case he knows something you do not.
For what you want to use the ship for, you would be far better suited to Stick a friend or get an alt and put them in a plated tackle fit stealth bomber cloaked, and use a t1 bs also cloaked, both in the same belt. If something comes to your belt, decloak em and have the stealth bomber and point web and ab orbit close etc. The stealth bombers only job is to decloak and tackle stuff and stay alive long enough for the bs to finish the sensor recalibration penalty and get tackle of its own.
With this sort of role in mind should you not be using vigil/atron/condor/whatever instead of stelth bomber???I mean most people warp to the bloody belts at 0 you can live without the speed bonus and recalibration is no problem in a tech I frig if you use scanner for warning and decloak as soon as the thingy comes outof warp next to you...
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2008.12.22 05:31:00 -
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Why god why are you trying to fit up a such an expencive ship for killing BCs and HACs when you can do that same job with a regular BS ?
Just use a domi FFS. They are cheap and effective. The sin is expensive and not.
You are risking SO much more isk than you need to and actually increasing the chances of your being killing. You're tank is loads undersized, your damage is loads too low for quick ganks.
To illustrate well:
2 battlecruisers WILL kill you if they are sanely fit. 1 HAC will most likely kill you.
Is that kinda life prediction worth the money ? You already have bs 5... why not make yourself a really kick ass mega/domi set-up ?
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.22 05:34:00 -
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What an absurd waste of ISK. If you absolutely have to fly the ship and refuse to get a Thanatos (which is better in every possible way), at least fit it with plain T2. Faction mods only add to the already excessive price tag, while doing nothing to change your inevitable death if you run into any non-comedy opponent.
Oh, and the cloak is worthless. Fit a neut instead. -----------
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William Caldon
Caldari Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens
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Posted - 2008.12.22 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin What an absurd waste of ISK. If you absolutely have to fly the ship and refuse to get a Thanatos (which is better in every possible way), at least fit it with plain T2. Faction mods only add to the already excessive price tag, while doing nothing to change your inevitable death if you run into any non-comedy opponent.
Oh, and the cloak is worthless. Fit a neut instead.
Quoting Merin because he/she/it? is stupid.
William
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.22 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: William Caldon
Originally by: Merin Ryskin What an absurd waste of ISK. If you absolutely have to fly the ship and refuse to get a Thanatos (which is better in every possible way), at least fit it with plain T2. Faction mods only add to the already excessive price tag, while doing nothing to change your inevitable death if you run into any non-comedy opponent.
Oh, and the cloak is worthless. Fit a neut instead.
Quoting Merin because he/she/it? is stupid.
William
Quoting troll because it can't figure out how to make a proper constructive reply. Really guys, jumping on the "lol, Merin sucks" bandwagon doesn't win you any points if that's all you have to offer.
So please, tell me how:
1) Putting a ton of expensive faction mods on a ship that gets near-zero benefit from them is a good idea.
OR
2) How a Sin does anything better than a Dominix or Thanatos, especially for someone who doesn't really have any plans for using the jump bridge. -----------
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.12.22 08:37:00 -
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Your fit needs an MWD and some neuts to start. Drop the drone navigation computer (wtf on that?)
Why buy a fancy BS and only look to fight battlecruisers?
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |

Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2008.12.22 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose Your fit needs an MWD and some neuts to start. Drop the drone navigation computer (wtf on that?)
Why buy a fancy BS and only look to fight battlecruisers?
He didn't buy it.
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Qual
Gallente Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2008.12.22 09:46:00 -
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If you are playing with a frind who is also in Black Ops, but not other kinds of covet ops ships, loose the portal generator. Both of you can jump without it.
The option for reinforcements makes the covert cyno a viable.
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