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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.07.20 00:01:00 -
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Im sat in Baviasi looking at the market. Scammers are charging 75mil isk for Caldari or Amarr cruiser skills. They way the prices are laid out on the eve market its easy to get caught out.
Luckily this time i wasnt. But this is starting to suck. People are using alts to scam others, pricing basic items massively and assuming others wont notice til its too late.
No doubt some of u will say tough luck, should have
checked the price again and again b4 buying. But thats total crap 75 mil for a cruiser skill is robbery..thats all it is. Lame players with 1 day old alts trying to rip others off. Not my idea of a fun game. lol just looked again chargung 125 mil for an industrial piloting skill 
Come on CCP, stop the alts.
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.07.20 00:01:00 -
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Im sat in Baviasi looking at the market. Scammers are charging 75mil isk for Caldari or Amarr cruiser skills. They way the prices are laid out on the eve market its easy to get caught out.
Luckily this time i wasnt. But this is starting to suck. People are using alts to scam others, pricing basic items massively and assuming others wont notice til its too late.
No doubt some of u will say tough luck, should have
checked the price again and again b4 buying. But thats total crap 75 mil for a cruiser skill is robbery..thats all it is. Lame players with 1 day old alts trying to rip others off. Not my idea of a fun game. lol just looked again chargung 125 mil for an industrial piloting skill
Come on CCP, stop the alts.
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2004.07.20 00:13:00 -
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I think alts should stay personally, but that they could be associated with the other characters of the same player. It's fun to play a Matari EW specialist one minute and then a Gallente miner the next.
As for the scamming, I still believe it should stay. You find scammers in the real global markets in macro and micro scales. But, as with everything you are planning on making a monetary investment on, you should still always watch the prices.
Hell, just recently I bought a Stabber and had to move across three regions because the only prices in the region I was in were around 10 million. I headed over and found one for 4.5 million, which was still over the going rate, but not by far.
It's called shrewd business sense.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2004.07.20 00:13:00 -
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I think alts should stay personally, but that they could be associated with the other characters of the same player. It's fun to play a Matari EW specialist one minute and then a Gallente miner the next.
As for the scamming, I still believe it should stay. You find scammers in the real global markets in macro and micro scales. But, as with everything you are planning on making a monetary investment on, you should still always watch the prices.
Hell, just recently I bought a Stabber and had to move across three regions because the only prices in the region I was in were around 10 million. I headed over and found one for 4.5 million, which was still over the going rate, but not by far.
It's called shrewd business sense.
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Concord Commodore > You have got to be the worst pirate I have ever heard of!
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > But you have heard of me! |
Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.07.20 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Del Narveux on 20/07/2004 00:19:10
I think the best solution is to use region-wide search and detailed price-list table to get around it. Even if youre lazy and use the buy-now on region level, the worst that should happen outside of 0.0 regions is you end up with a 30 jump trip to get your stuff. I personally have no problems with the scammers, I say if you buy without checking the price its really no different from going into Walmart, takin an item off the shelf without checking price, and then handing the clerk your credit card and say "Dont tell me what it costs, just put it on this here card."
Especially with the new above/below average warning dialog, its really hard to be oblivious to what youre paying for it. Scamming is lame for sure, but CCP cant and shouldnt do anything about the scamming becuase that basically tells people "You cant sell your stuff above market average, even if youre competing with idiots who price their crap below the mineral value, or you make a business out of inter-region trade."
Edit: Linking alts to their other char(s) would be interesting, and probably help with not just scamming, but crap like ore/corp theft and griefing. And, most people like me who legitimately use multiple characters probably wont care one way or the other if you can link them up (I would actually kinda like it if people could link my chars).
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.07.20 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Del Narveux on 20/07/2004 00:19:10
I think the best solution is to use region-wide search and detailed price-list table to get around it. Even if youre lazy and use the buy-now on region level, the worst that should happen outside of 0.0 regions is you end up with a 30 jump trip to get your stuff. I personally have no problems with the scammers, I say if you buy without checking the price its really no different from going into Walmart, takin an item off the shelf without checking price, and then handing the clerk your credit card and say "Dont tell me what it costs, just put it on this here card."
Especially with the new above/below average warning dialog, its really hard to be oblivious to what youre paying for it. Scamming is lame for sure, but CCP cant and shouldnt do anything about the scamming becuase that basically tells people "You cant sell your stuff above market average, even if youre competing with idiots who price their crap below the mineral value, or you make a business out of inter-region trade."
Edit: Linking alts to their other char(s) would be interesting, and probably help with not just scamming, but crap like ore/corp theft and griefing. And, most people like me who legitimately use multiple characters probably wont care one way or the other if you can link them up (I would actually kinda like it if people could link my chars).
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.07.20 00:21:00 -
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The thing is scams are part of the freedom of eve and a learning experience for people. I've been scammed myself and yes it hurts but the fact is it makes things alot more interesting and makes it feel like a real cut throat market.
Start putting restrictions on everything and slowly bbut surely you start killing the main feature to eve : Freedom.
That said somthing should be done about the use of alts in constant scams as its just a means to hide from the consquences of your actions. Maybe a name and shame sort of system where people can see others alts, would be interesting to see who is behind the alts making the scams.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.07.20 00:21:00 -
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The thing is scams are part of the freedom of eve and a learning experience for people. I've been scammed myself and yes it hurts but the fact is it makes things alot more interesting and makes it feel like a real cut throat market.
Start putting restrictions on everything and slowly bbut surely you start killing the main feature to eve : Freedom.
That said somthing should be done about the use of alts in constant scams as its just a means to hide from the consquences of your actions. Maybe a name and shame sort of system where people can see others alts, would be interesting to see who is behind the alts making the scams.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Eyeris
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Posted - 2004.07.20 00:36:00 -
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Im sat in Baviasi looking at the market. Scammers are charging 75mil isk for Caldari or Amarr cruiser skills. They way the prices are laid out on the eve market its easy to get caught out.
Simple 2 step solution :
1.Pay attention
2.Don't buy.
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Eyeris
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Posted - 2004.07.20 00:36:00 -
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Quote:
Im sat in Baviasi looking at the market. Scammers are charging 75mil isk for Caldari or Amarr cruiser skills. They way the prices are laid out on the eve market its easy to get caught out.
Simple 2 step solution :
1.Pay attention
2.Don't buy.
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Eximius
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Posted - 2004.07.20 00:55:00 -
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They will stop when people stop buying them.
~Eximius, Reaver Templar
When a man's soul is forfeited, he is said to die. We did not. We were remade as demons of malice for an unworldy purpose. We are empty. Damned, for one cannot look unto the abyss and remain whole. ~ActiveX, 3 days after the Ascension |
Eximius
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Posted - 2004.07.20 00:55:00 -
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They will stop when people stop buying them.
~Eximius, Reaver Templar
When a man's soul is forfeited, he is said to die. We did not. We were remade as demons of malice for an unworldy purpose. We are empty. Damned, for one cannot look unto the abyss and remain whole. ~ActiveX, 3 days after the Ascension |
MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.07.20 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeris
Quote:
Im sat in Baviasi looking at the market. Scammers are charging 75mil isk for Caldari or Amarr cruiser skills. They way the prices are laid out on the eve market its easy to get caught out.
Simple 2 step solution :
1.Pay attention
2.Don't buy.
Exactly. Sage advice indeed.
Certainly scammers suck...escrow is rife with them. I will never forget when I paid a million a piece for basic drones. 
Paying attention,
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.07.20 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeris
Quote:
Im sat in Baviasi looking at the market. Scammers are charging 75mil isk for Caldari or Amarr cruiser skills. They way the prices are laid out on the eve market its easy to get caught out.
Simple 2 step solution :
1.Pay attention
2.Don't buy.
Exactly. Sage advice indeed.
Certainly scammers suck...escrow is rife with them. I will never forget when I paid a million a piece for basic drones.
Paying attention,
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.20 01:44:00 -
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It cannot be allowed to stop! It must continue! Fools and their money MUST be parted, otherwise they will do something stupid with it and lose it anyway!
Its the way of things. |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.20 01:44:00 -
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It cannot be allowed to stop! It must continue! Fools and their money MUST be parted, otherwise they will do something stupid with it and lose it anyway!
Its the way of things. |
Rhia
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Posted - 2004.07.20 02:21:00 -
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I got just the solution: A warrenty on what you buy in escrow. You can refund it within x minutes of purchase and the seller cannot recieve money until timer has run out; to prevent spending without redemptions. This would make it so if the product is not what you wanted, you can refund it.
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Rhia
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Posted - 2004.07.20 02:21:00 -
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I got just the solution: A warrenty on what you buy in escrow. You can refund it within x minutes of purchase and the seller cannot recieve money until timer has run out; to prevent spending without redemptions. This would make it so if the product is not what you wanted, you can refund it.
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It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare.
-Mark Twain |
mafish
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Posted - 2004.07.20 02:23:00 -
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i dont think there is any thing wrong with doing it on the market i nearly brought a skill for 34 mil the other day lucky i was 2 mil out  . But what does p*ss me off is looking on escrow and finding a bs for 98 mil and think yea i will have that then what a surprise its a caldari shuttle. imo escrow should name the item you put in to avoid this
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mafish
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Posted - 2004.07.20 02:23:00 -
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i dont think there is any thing wrong with doing it on the market i nearly brought a skill for 34 mil the other day lucky i was 2 mil out . But what does p*ss me off is looking on escrow and finding a bs for 98 mil and think yea i will have that then what a surprise its a caldari shuttle. imo escrow should name the item you put in to avoid this
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Zioh
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Posted - 2004.07.20 02:59:00 -
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Aligning the prices to the right instead of the left would make it easier to spot the difference between 10,000,000.00 and 10,000.00. Being aligned to the left tricks the eye into thinking they are same.
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Zioh
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Posted - 2004.07.20 02:59:00 -
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Aligning the prices to the right instead of the left would make it easier to spot the difference between 10,000,000.00 and 10,000.00. Being aligned to the left tricks the eye into thinking they are same.
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Soulplay
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Posted - 2004.07.20 03:01:00 -
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All it takes is a few banning from CCP then scaming will stop. Other MMOGs deal with scamers with 3 warning then ban policy, not sure why CCP don't. Consider scamers will cost the company custmers.
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Soulplay
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Posted - 2004.07.20 03:01:00 -
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All it takes is a few banning from CCP then scaming will stop. Other MMOGs deal with scamers with 3 warning then ban policy, not sure why CCP don't. Consider scamers will cost the company custmers.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2004.07.20 03:03:00 -
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Scammin is like telling someone that they could buy a Ming vase for ú300,000 and then, after paying the money without getting it checked, finding out it's from Ikea.
Sucks to be stupid, eh?
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Concord Commodore > You have got to be the worst pirate I have ever heard of!
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > But you have heard of me! |
Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2004.07.20 03:03:00 -
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Scammin is like telling someone that they could buy a Ming vase for ú300,000 and then, after paying the money without getting it checked, finding out it's from Ikea.
Sucks to be stupid, eh?
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Eve System > Channel changed to Kehour Local Channel
Concord Commodore > You have got to be the worst pirate I have ever heard of!
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > But you have heard of me! |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.20 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Soulplay
All it takes is a few banning from CCP then scaming will stop. Other MMOGs deal with scamers with 3 warning then ban policy, not sure why CCP don't. Consider scamers will cost the company custmers.
Why would they do that? Scamming is a vital part of the overall gaming experience. Scamming is allowed by CCP,I have asked myself. Even Corp Theft is allowed.
Note: Scamming , not spamming is allowed. So everybody take your 50+ escrows of the same bpc off escrow, you might get reported for spamming. |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.20 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Soulplay
All it takes is a few banning from CCP then scaming will stop. Other MMOGs deal with scamers with 3 warning then ban policy, not sure why CCP don't. Consider scamers will cost the company custmers.
Why would they do that? Scamming is a vital part of the overall gaming experience. Scamming is allowed by CCP,I have asked myself. Even Corp Theft is allowed.
Note: Scamming , not spamming is allowed. So everybody take your 50+ escrows of the same bpc off escrow, you might get reported for spamming. |
Xelios
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Posted - 2004.07.20 03:37:00 -
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Nothing miffs me more than seeing 30 escrows for the same bpc going for 14,000 isk.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.07.20 03:37:00 -
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Nothing miffs me more than seeing 30 escrows for the same bpc going for 14,000 isk.
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Death Priest
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Posted - 2004.07.20 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tech2 Shoppe
It cannot be allowed to stop! It must continue! Fools and their money MUST be parted, otherwise they will do something stupid with it and lose it anyway!
Its the way of things.
It's low lifes like you that Clog the Escrow making it next to impossible to find real items and now your Clogging the market with scams too.
Your type of player takes the joy out of the game.
KOS
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Death Priest
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Posted - 2004.07.20 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tech2 Shoppe
It cannot be allowed to stop! It must continue! Fools and their money MUST be parted, otherwise they will do something stupid with it and lose it anyway!
Its the way of things.
It's low lifes like you that Clog the Escrow making it next to impossible to find real items and now your Clogging the market with scams too.
Your type of player takes the joy out of the game.
KOS
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.20 06:12:00 -
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I don't have problems so much with overpriced items. They say what they are, and you get what you pay for, even if you pay way way too much.
What I have a problem with though is people putting up items in escrow, and naming them as something else.
This is fraud, and should be dealt with as such. Concord should not allow it. There should be some recourse against people doing it.
I know I know, check the item to make sure it's what it says it is. I do. That's why I've never fallen prey to this scam, but many others have, and the worst of it is that these jerk offs inflate the number of items in escrow so that it's even more unwieldy.
I did a search the other day, and over 90% of the ships were scams. I guess this is to be expected, because ships can be sold on the regular market, and any ship you see in escrow is automatically suspect, but there were dozens of them.
So come on CCP, at least make it so the escrow shows the actual item(s) and not whatever the scammer decides to write as a description.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.20 06:12:00 -
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I don't have problems so much with overpriced items. They say what they are, and you get what you pay for, even if you pay way way too much.
What I have a problem with though is people putting up items in escrow, and naming them as something else.
This is fraud, and should be dealt with as such. Concord should not allow it. There should be some recourse against people doing it.
I know I know, check the item to make sure it's what it says it is. I do. That's why I've never fallen prey to this scam, but many others have, and the worst of it is that these jerk offs inflate the number of items in escrow so that it's even more unwieldy.
I did a search the other day, and over 90% of the ships were scams. I guess this is to be expected, because ships can be sold on the regular market, and any ship you see in escrow is automatically suspect, but there were dozens of them.
So come on CCP, at least make it so the escrow shows the actual item(s) and not whatever the scammer decides to write as a description.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Cycler
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Posted - 2004.07.20 08:13:00 -
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Rhia and Zioh have valid solutions to this problem.
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Cycler
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Posted - 2004.07.20 08:13:00 -
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Rhia and Zioh have valid solutions to this problem.
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.07.20 08:36:00 -
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Now really, all the people complaining about escrow scamming need to think twice. Before you buy, you can open the package to see what it is, and then even if you accept you get a popup warning asking you if you want to purchase x quantity of y item. Thats two levels of sa***uards against being scammed on ecrow which is enough.
What doesn need to be addressed on escrow is th fact that it gets spammed by alot of pretty useless items. e.g....
"Most expensive Pod Ever" for 1 billion Isk
pointless escrow like these mask all the other ones that you might want to purchase. Adding sub sections for mission will help somewhat in getting past the spamming.
The old conventional way of scamming through the trade window definately sucks but i agree its part of the game and if your going to have a free market system in Eve then you will have scammers.
What, perhaps, could be considered an exploit is people using the 10 day trial accounts to create an unlimited army of scamming alts. Thats not what the eve trial was intended for.
Basic rules you should always follow when trading with someone are:
1. Check their profile, if they are less than ten days old selling a 105 million tempest then alarms bells should start ringing straight away.
2. Check if they have a few positive or negative standings with npc corporations - If they are a main character then pretty much doing anything in eve be it agent whoring, rat killing, has an affect of your standings.
3. ALWAYS show info on the item your buying in a trade window before accepting.
Admittedly these rules dont apply to everyone, i personally know honest people who use alts for trading but at the very least you level of alertness should rise.
Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator
Caldari State Citizen
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.07.20 08:36:00 -
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Now really, all the people complaining about escrow scamming need to think twice. Before you buy, you can open the package to see what it is, and then even if you accept you get a popup warning asking you if you want to purchase x quantity of y item. Thats two levels of sa***uards against being scammed on ecrow which is enough.
What doesn need to be addressed on escrow is th fact that it gets spammed by alot of pretty useless items. e.g....
"Most expensive Pod Ever" for 1 billion Isk
pointless escrow like these mask all the other ones that you might want to purchase. Adding sub sections for mission will help somewhat in getting past the spamming.
The old conventional way of scamming through the trade window definately sucks but i agree its part of the game and if your going to have a free market system in Eve then you will have scammers.
What, perhaps, could be considered an exploit is people using the 10 day trial accounts to create an unlimited army of scamming alts. Thats not what the eve trial was intended for.
Basic rules you should always follow when trading with someone are:
1. Check their profile, if they are less than ten days old selling a 105 million tempest then alarms bells should start ringing straight away.
2. Check if they have a few positive or negative standings with npc corporations - If they are a main character then pretty much doing anything in eve be it agent whoring, rat killing, has an affect of your standings.
3. ALWAYS show info on the item your buying in a trade window before accepting.
Admittedly these rules dont apply to everyone, i personally know honest people who use alts for trading but at the very least you level of alertness should rise.
Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator
Caldari State Citizen
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Dev Larren
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Posted - 2004.07.20 09:20:00 -
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Not all over-pricing is an attempt to scam.
It is also about market manipulation. As well as selling items at the real price you expect it to sell for it is also useful to put a few on the market at extravagant prices in order to raise the average price.
I would not expect someone to be so careless as to buy the overpriced item and even if they did I would happily refund their isk.
Commanding Officer
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Dev Larren
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Posted - 2004.07.20 09:20:00 -
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Not all over-pricing is an attempt to scam.
It is also about market manipulation. As well as selling items at the real price you expect it to sell for it is also useful to put a few on the market at extravagant prices in order to raise the average price.
I would not expect someone to be so careless as to buy the overpriced item and even if they did I would happily refund their isk.
Commanding Officer
Channel: CAINCOM |
t00r
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Posted - 2004.07.20 09:43:00 -
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my views are, high prices are ok, its like ppl have said.. the 60 million pod masquerading as scorpion or similar, wtf is going on with the escrows that a)have no description or b)have 0 stuff inside... these are the ppl that should banned
from escrow by SCC.
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t00r
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Posted - 2004.07.20 09:43:00 -
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my views are, high prices are ok, its like ppl have said.. the 60 million pod masquerading as scorpion or similar, wtf is going on with the escrows that a)have no description or b)have 0 stuff inside... these are the ppl that should banned
from escrow by SCC.
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1.9 How can I participate in beta testing EVE? |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.07.20 10:00:00 -
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"Why would they do that? Scamming is a vital part of the overall gaming experience. Scamming is allowed by CCP,I have asked myself. Even Corp Theft is allowed."
Vital part of the game? Give me a break 
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.07.20 10:00:00 -
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"Why would they do that? Scamming is a vital part of the overall gaming experience. Scamming is allowed by CCP,I have asked myself. Even Corp Theft is allowed."
Vital part of the game? Give me a break
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"for piece sakes!" |
hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.20 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tech2 Shoppe
It cannot be allowed to stop! It must continue! Fools and their money MUST be parted, otherwise they will do something stupid with it and lose it anyway!
Its the way of things.
Best quote, ever.
If you are so stupid that you don't check what you buy, you deserve to be scammed.
The only thing CCP should do is allow us to block/ignore certain sellers in escrow.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.20 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tech2 Shoppe
It cannot be allowed to stop! It must continue! Fools and their money MUST be parted, otherwise they will do something stupid with it and lose it anyway!
Its the way of things.
Best quote, ever.
If you are so stupid that you don't check what you buy, you deserve to be scammed.
The only thing CCP should do is allow us to block/ignore certain sellers in escrow.
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