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Xartarous Caldari Really Bad People	Posted - 2008.12.24 22:35:00 - [1] GTC Sellers unite! The power is in OUR hands. There is no reason why, now that only one type of GTC is offically supported by CCP, that we cannot set a higher Avg. selling price. It's a virtual item and has no relation whatsoever to real-world cash. Let's ignore the greed, and work together to force buyers to accept the new higher prices and make more isk per transaction. NO GTC SELL ORDERS UNDER 900M. YEEEEHAAAWWW!!!
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.12.24 22:37:00 - [2] I endorse this.
Kalmanaka Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.24 22:38:00 - [3] What about ones OVER NINE.....nah can't do it. --------------------------------------- Estimate != Reality What you want != What you get You whine != Someone cares Learn to deal with it. -Abrazzar
Wombania	Posted - 2008.12.24 22:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Xartarous It's a virtual item and has no relation whatsoever to real-world cash. Damn, you buy your GTC's with pixy dust, too?
Lothros Andastar Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.24 23:02:00 - [5] I say we work together to pool our isk to but out all the lowsellers so we make more! Send isk to Lothros Andastar, the Character ive created to keep track of the Cartels isk!
Taua Roqa Minmatar Branching Out	Posted - 2008.12.24 23:03:00 - [6] confirmin' i'm receiving the isk
Xartarous Caldari Really Bad People	Posted - 2008.12.24 23:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Wombania Damn, you buy your GTC's with pixy dust, too? Argh! And here I thought that no one else knew about that Seriously though, yes, 60 GTCs do cost around $35 bucks, but there exists no set exchange rate for determining how many isk make up a $, nor should there by. Currently, individuals are willing to pay 600M+ per code, and since sellers are willing to part with them for this price, the market goes on. If, however, a majority of sellers decide together to raise the minimum price, then buyers will either have to stop buying GTCs (probably not going to happen on a largescale) or dish up the cash. Will this force some players to stop purchasing GTCs? possibly, but It's unlikely that the loss will affect us sellers by a large margin. We can slowly increase prices, prehaps make em' 700M, then 750M, and then 850M. Eventually we'll arrive at a realistic, fair and sustainable maximum. 'Course, in the real world this behind the scenes 'price-fixing' would be quite illegal. Thank God it's only a game, eh?
Delaeon Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.24 23:14:00 - [8] This is what happens when you sleep through that Business class.
Xartarous Caldari Really Bad People	Posted - 2008.12.24 23:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Delaeon This is what happens when you sleep through that Business class. Your ambiguity makes we weep
Delaeon Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.24 23:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Xartarous Originally by: Delaeon This is what happens when you sleep through that Business class. Your ambiguity makes we weep This is what happens when you sleep through that English class.
Xartarous Caldari Really Bad People	Posted - 2008.12.24 23:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Delaeon Originally by: Xartarous Originally by: Delaeon This is what happens when you sleep through that Business class. Your ambiguity makes we weep This is what happens when you sleep through that English class. Lol, low blow... ok I accept defeat; but only on that one point!
Ace Frehley Minmatar The Movement Fifth Freedom	Posted - 2008.12.24 23:26:00 - [12] Oki, you try to raise the GTC prize, people say, nwm it, I wont buy.. What you gonna do then? Sit with enormus ammounts of GTC¦s noone wants, and what will happen with prices??? And it is impossible to control all sellers. And if the price is to high in pure isk, buyers maybe offer 500 mil+ a Free commandship etc etc. signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan
Bad Bunny	Posted - 2008.12.24 23:27:00 - [13] I fully endorse this idea! 900M for GTC from now on for EVERYONE....but me, I'll be undercutting you all and get all the sales :) Thanks and Merry Christmas!
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.24 23:40:00 - [14] I know this is all in jest, but I'll comment anyway. Nah. Don't penalize the people who are good customers because of a handful of loudmouthed brats who can't afford GTCs and demand that everyone else boycott sellers so that they can afford it. Most people happily pay whatever the going price is. There are THOUSANDS of GTCs sold for ISK every single month and only a few dozen that complain incessantly. When I sell (which isn't often), I see what the going price is and that's what I set mine at. No more and no less. Last time I sold some, I sold four of them at a time and all four were gone for the asking price within less than five minutes (in fact, I had many more interested parties than I did codes). There is a big market out there and not enough sellers and codes to meet the demand. That said, when I sell I am not trying to screw over or take advantage of anyone. And I'm not going to take out my frustration with the whiners on the 98% of buyers who don't complain and act like I am somehow obligated to subsidize their gaming experience with my cold hard cash.
Wombania	Posted - 2008.12.24 23:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Xartarous Seriously though, yes, 60 GTCs do cost around $35 bucks, but there exists no set exchange rate for determining how many isk make up a $, There is no set rate, but there is a rate. It is most definitely an aggregate of what ISK buyers and willing to get for their cash investment and how much ISK GTC buyers are willing to spend in order to avoid forking over cash. It is a floating rate, and it varies over time, but it's a rate just the same and it's determined in pretty much the same way as the value for most commodities are determined. And you can't ignore the fact that GTC sales are directly tied to an actual investment of real cash. To wit, if 60 day GTC's were ten dollars supply would probably outstrip demand and you'd be lucky to get 300 mil.
Xartarous Caldari Really Bad People	Posted - 2008.12.25 00:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Bad Bunny I fully endorse this idea! 900M for GTC from now on for EVERYONE....but me, I'll be undercutting you all and get all the sales :) Thanks and Merry Christmas! Haha, see this is the very reason why GTC prices will continue to go lower and lower. Someone always breaks the code, and sells below the going avg. just to make a quick buck, not knowing that in the long run, the whole economy will suffer. For example; if I brought a stockpile of GTCs and starting selling em' for 450M apiece, pretty soon the rest of ya would have to follow. I remember I once bought all the T2 Spike S in Jita. Cost like 200-300M. I spread it out across the surrounding systems for double the price, and lemme tell ya, not only did every single unit sell, but when the T2 manufacturers resupplied their stock, their new prices were in line with mine. It's simple supply and demand, ppl have been using GTCs for far too long to stop using em' just cause the price went up a few hundred mil' If only there was some way to give incentives to those who followed suit and increased prices... maybe a corp...
Xartarous Caldari Really Bad People	Posted - 2008.12.25 00:07:00 - [17] Originally by: Wombania ...if 60 day GTC's were ten dollars supply would probably outstrip demand and you'd be lucky to get 300 mil. A flawed point, as if GTCs did cost less than actually paying for game time, people would always use them instead. Since the cost, in real-world cash, of buying a GTC is equal to (and sometimes greater than) the cost of paying CCP for game time, it must be concluded then that any rate of exchange between dollars and isk is purely mental, and set by the parties involved in the said transaction.
Wombania	Posted - 2008.12.25 00:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Xartarous A flawed point, as if GTCs did cost less than actually paying for game time, people would always use them instead. That's note a flawed point. It illustrates, precisely, the fact that there is an economy of investment involved. And no, even if GTC's were 5 dollars some of us cheap bastards would still prefer to pay in ISK while we used real cash for hookers and blow. Originally by: Xartarous Since the cost, in real-world cash, of buying a GTC is equal to (and sometimes greater than) the cost of paying CCP for game time, it must be concluded then that any rate of exchange between dollars and isk is purely mental, and set by the parties involved in the said transaction. That's how pretty much every commodity's value in the entire world is set. You invest money into it, and you see how much people want to buy it for.
Pretonia	Posted - 2008.12.25 00:15:00 - [19] I stopped buying GTC several months ago and now have only one or two of my three accounts active at any given time... <shrug> So charge what you want :) The nice thing is, I now finally have some actual ISK in my virtual bank and am no longer playing to "simply" pay the monthly bill.
Aramova Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.25 00:21:00 - [20] Hate to be Captain Obvious here, but there is a max rate these will go for. The same can be said for all "life sustaining" goods. Much like Gas... If I told you in 1994 you'd be paying $4.50 a gallon you'd say you'd quit driving. But you paid it a few months ago. Same here. What can your average customer base produce during that time, subtract the cost of their production (ships, ammo, skills, etc), take out an average for "expendable income", then you have an average budget that a group can afford to spend on your product, or GTCs in this case. The market should be able to sustain a higher average for 60d GTCs then 900m, since a player can generate 40m an hour in 0.0 just by ratting with little effort. Bottom line is, there is a set rate, what the people can afford. We've not reached it yet, and it's much higher then 900m for those who count on them. Side note, I don't use or sell GTCs. :) ________________________________
Roymundo	Posted - 2008.12.25 00:47:00 - [21] great idea.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:01:00 - [22] 7/10, nicely done overall, it missed just a little bit of salty tears, but you can't have everything i suppose... ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:07:00 - [23] WTS 2 plex licenses for a Revelation in charda. -- i am a humble and inefficient ammo to dps converter
Spike 68 Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:03:00 - [24] Edited by: Spike 68 on 25/12/2008 03:05:01 Edited by: Spike 68 on 25/12/2008 03:04:37 Originally by: Delaeon This is what happens when you sleep through that Business class. this, there is no way for this to work. (Content?) lol?, k im done. No wait, also GTC sellers are lame. EDIT: FOR CONTENT
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Aramova you'd say you'd quit driving. Yes I would've said that. And yes, I did in fact almost completely quit driving. I put gas in my car about twice during the summer, only when it was absolutely necessary to use the car. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:33:00 - [26] Someone above said that "if 60 day GTCs dropped in price to $10 USD, we'd be lucky to get 300m ISK for them". Well... yeah... Regardless of demand, the fact that the CASH investment is less would mean we'd be willing to SELL them for less ISK. Right now, it comes out to ~~15m ISK per USD spent on a GTC. So while $35 worth of GTC would run around 500m-600m, just $10 worth of GTC would go for around 150m ISK - not even considering supply and demand.
Wombania	Posted - 2008.12.25 04:29:00 - [27] Originally by: Qordel Well... yeah... Regardless of demand, the fact that the CASH investment is less would mean we'd be willing to SELL them for less ISK. WEll... yeah... that was the point. That GTC's did indeed represent a real economy of investment for real actual cash. And, as a side note, that they're not immune to supply and demand and if the supply shot through the roof, prices would crash.
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2008.12.25 04:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Spike 68 GTC sellers are lame. Buying T2 BPOs, send mail or convo!
Necrosmith Gallente Chunder Corp	Posted - 2008.12.25 07:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Xartarous Edited by: Xartarous on 24/12/2008 23:16:22 GTC Sellers unite! The power is in OUR hands. There is no reason why, now that only one type of GTC is offically supported by CCP, that we cannot set a higher Avg. Selling price. As a virtual item it has no set relation to real-world cash, and can therefore be independantly controlled. Let's ignore the greed, and work together to force buyers to accept the new higher prices and make more isk per transaction. NO GTC SELL ORDERS UNDER 900M. YEEEEHAAAWWW!!! This wins on so many levels. ---- For those of you who claim to support the troops and oppose national health care, I have a question. Why do you insist on punishing our veterans with free health care?
Ikki Phoenix Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.12.26 04:19:00 - [30] Personally I think that instead of raising the GTC prices,we should keep it at a steady level,until at least the world economy gets better ---------------------------------------------Get Eve Commander now
yourdoingitwrong	Posted - 2008.12.26 04:26:00 - [31] nice troll 9/10 very well done
sg3s Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.26 12:47:00 - [32] Nice topic that shows the idiocracy of the 'buyers' that have been whining... +1
Jobby Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.12.26 13:16:00 - [33] Posting to acknowledge the fact I wasted my time opening up this thread.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.26 13:52:00 - [34] Originally by: Jobby Posting to acknowledge the fact I wasted my time opening up this thread. I didn't... DOH! -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Druadan BLAM Industries	Posted - 2008.12.26 14:16:00 - [35] Originally by: Xartarous Originally by: Bad Bunny I fully endorse this idea! 900M for GTC from now on for EVERYONE....but me, I'll be undercutting you all and get all the sales :) Thanks and Merry Christmas! Haha, see this is the very reason why GTC prices will continue to go lower and lower. Someone always breaks the code, and sells below the going avg. just to make a quick buck, not knowing that in the long run, the whole economy will suffer. For example; if I brought a stockpile of GTCs and starting selling em' for 450M apiece, pretty soon the rest of ya would have to follow. I remember I once bought all the T2 Spike S in Jita. Cost like 200-300M. I spread it out across the surrounding systems for double the price, and lemme tell ya, not only did every single unit sell, but when the T2 manufacturers resupplied their stock, their new prices were in line with mine. It's simple supply and demand, ppl have been using GTCs for far too long to stop using em' just cause the price went up a few hundred mil' If only there was some way to give incentives to those who followed suit and increased prices... maybe a corp... They're not 'breaking the code', they're conducting their own business on their own terms, free of price-fixing cartels. There is no code, there is only ~~zul~~ greed. It is not a 'going average' if it's an artificially gouged priced. Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it, but the converse is also true - everything is worth its vendor will sell it for, and people will undercut you, whether out of spite for your price-fixing or out of getting the quick sale. Ain't no two ways about it. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.26 16:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Kalmanaka What about ones OVER NINE.....nah can't do it. IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAND!
Almori	Posted - 2008.12.26 20:06:00 - [37] Originally by: Xartarous Edited by: Xartarous on 24/12/2008 23:16:22 GTC Sellers unite! The power is in OUR hands. There is no reason why, now that only one type of GTC is offically supported by CCP, that we cannot set a higher Avg. Selling price. As a virtual item it has no set relation to real-world cash, and can therefore be independantly controlled. Let's ignore the greed, and work together to force buyers to accept the new higher prices and make more isk per transaction. NO GTC SELL ORDERS UNDER 900M. YEEEEHAAAWWW!!! I can feel the love.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.12.26 20:10:00 - [38] Confirming I was going to receive the 900m ISK, but instead the 900m ISK received me
Ner'Kaal Vesitor Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.12.26 20:16:00 - [39] I approve of this.
Captain Pompous	Posted - 2008.12.26 20:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Aramova Hate to be Captain Obvious yes indeed, for if you were Captain Obvious I, his arch-nemesis Captain Pompous, would have to sweep down on you and unleash a box of dastardly hellfire upon ye :D
Druadan BLAM Industries	Posted - 2008.12.26 20:48:00 - [41] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Confirming I was going to receive the 900m ISK, but instead the 900m ISK received me How's the weather, comrade?
cnuminer	Posted - 2008.12.26 23:49:00 - [42] Edited by: cnuminer on 26/12/2008 23:48:53 Selling GTCs for 600 mill pm me at any time.
Bruta Spence	Posted - 2008.12.27 01:36:00 - [43] Worst thread ever? Nothing to see here. Move along.
Jack Caelum	Posted - 2008.12.27 02:26:00 - [44] You can all sell yours for 900, I'll sell mine for 890.
Evan Batarr	Posted - 2008.12.27 15:32:00 - [45] Confirming that OP is a greedy f**ktard
Buga Buga Hecate Inferno	Posted - 2008.12.27 16:15:00 - [46] Fully endorse this. Please raise your prices to 2 bil so I can sell all my 600 gtcs :)
Lancer Maelstorm Amarr Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.28 05:22:00 - [47] OVER NINE THOUSAND!
Xartarous Caldari Really Bad People	Posted - 2009.01.28 22:36:00 - [48] 1/2008 - 90 Day GTC - $490Mil 7/2008 - 90 Day GTC - $600Mil 12/2008 - 60 Day GTC - $600Mill 1/2009 - 60 Day GTC - $650Mill ... *today* - 60 Day GTC - $680Mill ... tomorrow - 60 Day GTC - $700Mill ... future - in our hands ------------ GTC Sellers Unite!!!
Su Yildiz	Posted - 2009.01.28 23:05:00 - [49] here we go again... doesn't people learn? ;P demand determins price, and vice versa ;)
Seth Darkness Gallente R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2009.01.28 23:31:00 - [50] check this out.. ALL of you guys sell gtc for 900m, i get 30 gts and sell em for 600 mil somehow i expect ill sell em al and make more of a profit than you guys
The Pie Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative	Posted - 2009.01.28 23:35:00 - [51] WHERE'S MY 180 M 30 D GTCS
ZenSun Total Mayhem. Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.01.28 23:38:00 - [52] DIAF? GTC prices are already overpriced. woops
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.01.29 00:18:00 - [53] Personally, I wish the whole GTC crap would go away (and take RMT with it ofcourse).
Xartarous Caldari Really Bad People	Posted - 2009.01.29 00:22:00 - [54] Originally by: Seth Darkness check this out.. ALL of you guys sell gtc for 900m, i get 30 gts and sell em for 600 mil somehow i expect ill sell em al and make more of a profit than you guys Thank you seth for letting the entire EvE population know that you're a fool in the areas of monetary and statistical management. Thankfully, the ppl who are actually selling GTC see things differently. Go away buyer-alt troll...
Wolf Parade	Posted - 2009.02.03 18:11:00 - [55] This should be turned into a mazzilliu call out thread. Mazzilliu stop your madness now!!!!!
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.02.03 18:16:00 - [56] Yes, please boycott overs under 50 centillion isk. Yes, it is a number.
Dark Soldat Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.02.03 18:17:00 - [57] ok Xartarous THIS MEANS WAAAAARRRR !!!!! RAWR DAWR MAWR !!!!!! NO MOAR GTC OVER 9000 isk !!!! I DECLARE THIS THE FREE GTC YEAR ^_^
Spectre80 Caldari The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.02.03 18:52:00 - [58] by all means raise the gtc prices as high as you greedy bastards can think. i for one did stop buying gtc when price went to 600+ million which is too much allready in my opinion. now im back to paying with cash as it gives me so much more time to actually play the game instead off mindless grinding for earning iskies.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.02.04 04:56:00 - [59] There's no reason to boycott anything. The price is rising quite steadily as it is.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.02.04 06:05:00 - [60] Finally something WISE on these boards! I support this cause and raise the bar to ONE BILLION! "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.04 06:34:00 - [61] 1bil is a nice number because subconsciously it seems smaller than 900mil and therefore people are more willing to pay it.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 07:24:00 - [62] damm it got up that much =/
Capernicus III	Posted - 2009.02.04 08:12:00 - [63] I say, that is just ridiculous.... I am guessing you do not want to sell any... Try making ISK the proper way in game Lamers.

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