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Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 00:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 00:49:51 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 00:48:49 A Manticore Vs a Ishkur, ok Ishkur is at 20 range -I fire 1 salvo(barely takes him past shields into start of armor. HUH! Tech 2 launchers 3 of them with (Wrath presicion) my skill every missle skil at 4, target navigation at 5! Im like WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Long story short, dudes friend show up before my second full slavo and insta pops me. Leaving with the question how many slavos would I have needed 2 3 or 4???? Im just ****ed off 12,000,000 in missles and I get barely past shields for, a ship that claims to be SPECIALST IN HUNTING AND KILLING FRIGS?????? On top of that prescion missles tech 2? WTF! Oh btw , I asked the guy then saw he was a 6 month in noob!
Anianka Star	Posted - 2008.12.25 00:53:00 - [2] Look at the resistance on the ship to kinetic damage
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.25 00:53:00 - [3] Stealth bombers are getting looked at -.-
AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Orion GUardian Stealth bombers are getting looked at -.- Immediately post missile nerf, my Manti became a hangar ornament, suggest you do the same.
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:15:00 - [5] Originally by: AkRoYeR Originally by: Orion GUardian Stealth bombers are getting looked at -.- Immediately post missile nerf, my Manti became a hangar ornament, suggest you do the same. Oh yeah, I can safely state with no objection- before the Caldari MISSLE Nerfs, My Maticore worked correctly!!!
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:21:03 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:19:24 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:18:22 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:17:24 Originally by: AkRoYeR Originally by: Orion GUardian Stealth bombers are getting looked at -.- Immediately post missile nerf, my Manti became a hangar ornament, suggest you do the same. Oh yeah, I can safely state with no objection- before the Caldari MISSLE Nerfs, My Maticore worked correctly!!! If I saw a Frigate it was toast REGARLESS like it should be!!!!!!! Assault ship or not. WAIT ------------SCREAMING RANT 3 FREAKING BATTLESHIP TECH 2 MISSLE LAUNCHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I FORGOT SCREAMS AGAIN WITH PRECSION MISSLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! edits justicefied! Complaining that Battleship Missiles can not hit frigates well is a very poor argument, your basically suggesting that Battleships become solopwnmobiles. However, it is a problem in the case of Stealth Bombers, which get a bonus to Explosion Velocity in order to try and negate the ineffectiveness of Cruise Missiles versus smaller targets. Post QR, it's not enough however.
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:41:00 - [7] my hound 3 salvoed an atron day after QR. my hound is now retired until a future patch. -- i am a humble and inefficient ammo to dps converter
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:47:00 - [8] You're not really a missile expert if you can't figure that one out, huh? Fit a target painter, a web if you're hardcore and you'll still pop him really goddamn fast. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Anianka Star Look at the resistance on the ship to kinetic damage Signed ^^.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:55:00 - [10] Look at resists... My ishkur could tank most SBs before the nerf.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:59:00 - [11] Ishkur is an AF. Great resists for a frig alone and possibly more dependent on skills/fit. SB is a ship that can still almost insta T1 frigs and is useful in those situations. Asking for a SB to insta an AF though is pushing it and if you were only 20 away from the ishkur you probably would of lost anyway regardless of how many friends he had. Adapt.
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Dyaven Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:21:03 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:19:24 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:18:22 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:17:24 Originally by: AkRoYeR Originally by: Orion GUardian Stealth bombers are getting looked at -.- Immediately post missile nerf, my Manti became a hangar ornament, suggest you do the same. Oh yeah, I can safely state with no objection- before the Caldari MISSLE Nerfs, My Maticore worked correctly!!! If I saw a Frigate it was toast REGARLESS like it should be!!!!!!! Assault ship or not. WAIT ------------SCREAMING RANT 3 FREAKING BATTLESHIP TECH 2 MISSLE LAUNCHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I FORGOT SCREAMS AGAIN WITH PRECSION MISSLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! edits justicefied! Complaining that Battleship Missiles can not hit frigates well is a very poor argument, your basically suggesting that Battleships become solopwnmobiles. However, it is a problem in the case of Stealth Bombers, which get a bonus to Explosion Velocity in order to try and negate the ineffectiveness of Cruise Missiles versus smaller targets. Post QR, it's not enough however. Epic FAIL! Read what The Manticore does or is supossed to do-- and or uses with BS MODS and missles
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Faife my hound 3 salvoed an atron day after QR. my hound is now retired until a future patch. Thank you!
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Grarr Dexx You're not really a missile expert if you can't figure that one out, huh? Fit a target painter, a web if you're hardcore and you'll still pop him really goddamn fast. Hehe look everyone gaYNESS and excuse of lameness! Moves on!
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Schalac Ishkur is an AF. Great resists for a frig alone and possibly more dependent on skills/fit. SB is a ship that can still almost insta T1 frigs and is useful in those situations. Asking for a SB to insta an AF though is pushing it and if you were only 20 away from the ishkur you probably would of lost anyway regardless of how many friends he had. Adapt. You and the two posts above you FAIL, why because kinetic resistance is nice , BUT SHOULDNT FUCING MATTER AS MUCH AS CCP NERFED! A resistance ok, I can deal with but, at some point that resistance should FAIL JUST LIKE YOU PATHETICE Galgirls want to make it seem like it should last forever. CCP YOU FUKED UP!
Benco97 Gallente Friendly Archaeology Group of Inder	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:11:00 - [16] Getting angry will just make people ignore whatever you say, whether you make a valid point or not. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Vurion Originally by: Schalac Ishkur is an AF. Great resists for a frig alone and possibly more dependent on skills/fit. SB is a ship that can still almost insta T1 frigs and is useful in those situations. Asking for a SB to insta an AF though is pushing it and if you were only 20 away from the ishkur you probably would of lost anyway regardless of how many friends he had. Adapt. You and the two posts above you FAIL, why because kinetic resistance is nice , BUT SHOULDNT FUCING MATTER AS MUCH AS CCP NERFED! A resistance ok, I can deal with but, at some point that resistance should FAIL JUST LIKE YOU PATHETICE Galgirls want to make it seem like it should last forever. CCP YOU FUKED UP! LOL you are an idiot. Go jump in a fire with your failed resists.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:21:00 - [18] Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 25/12/2008 02:21:26 Originally by: Anianka Star Look at the resistance on the ship to kinetic damage i believe ishkur has something like 83.5% kinetic missile resistance on top of that, its a frig, so small sig radius + speed tanking (so, going probably close to 1000 m/sec) Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
m3talc0re X Caldari Heavens Gate Consortium	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:30:00 - [19] He's angry because stupid people keep posting in these nerf threads saying we missile users should just adapt and the nerf wasn't so bad when they really don't know wtf they're talking about. Despite all your completely wrong arguments saying we weren't, we were in fact nerfed to hell by CCP. Plain. and simple. Flame all you want, but you're wrong, so stfu already. Kthxbai. -------------------------- Wait, what now? Yes, I was Anubis Assassin, this will be my new main XD
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:31:00 - [20] Originally by: m3talc0re X He's angry because stupid people keep posting in these nerf threads saying we missile users should just adapt and the nerf wasn't so bad when they really don't know wtf they're talking about. Despite all your completely wrong arguments saying we weren't, we were in fact nerfed to hell by CCP. Plain. and simple. Flame all you want, but you're wrong, so stfu already. Kthxbai. Bye oh and learn to adapt noob
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:49:00 - [21] Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 02:51:49 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 02:51:08 Oops read next post.
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:51:00 - [22] Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 02:54:06 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 02:52:57 Originally by: Vurion At this point, it seems every missle thread has equal amount of pro/con replys! CCP there most positively needs a closer look by you,--------- at what is happening. Us in being that are high skilled( MISSLE USERS) FEEL, that we are choaked by what you've done, as well those how havent 10 points in missle skills -------claim ADAPT huh?? There analogy is yeah Im 5'9 feet tall, let me teach you 6'7 men how to dunk the basketball?
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:13:00 - [23] If you think missiles aren't broken, look at the price of Scourge Fury Heavy Missiles. A couple days ago, they hit over 1,500 ISK each. Also, look how expensive the Nighthawk is now. 270 mil in some areas, up from 165 mil. A nighthawk with scourge furies out damages a cruise raven by 13% with Command Ships V, not to mention an effective 140% better tracking. It also out-tanks a drake with ease. A HAM nighthawk, however, will be doing lol damage because Guided Missile Precision ****ed with the tracking of guided missiles while leaving unguided missiles alone. After GMP V, heavy missiles will be doing up to 38% more DPS than heavy assault rockets against smaller moving targets... And these are supposed to be sniper weapons. Broken much? Not only are missile damage amounts flawed (they were before), but now the missile damage curve is more like a cliff. This makes weapons designed to hit slightly smaller ships can't do its job at hitting moving ships of the same size. ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. Made a reality by speed and missile nerf.
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:20:00 - [24] Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:22:44 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:21:46 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:20:37 Originally by: Allen Ramses If you think missiles aren't broken, look at the price of Scourge Fury Heavy Missiles. A couple days ago, they hit over 1,500 ISK each. Also, look how expensive the Nighthawk is now. 270 mil in some areas, up from 165 mil. A nighthawk with scourge furies out damages a cruise raven by 13% with Command Ships V, not to mention an effective 140% better tracking. It also out-tanks a drake with ease. A HAM nighthawk, however, will be doing lol damage because Guided Missile Precision ****ed with the tracking of guided missiles while leaving unguided missiles alone. After GMP V, heavy missiles will be doing up to 38% more DPS than heavy assault rockets against smaller moving targets... And these are supposed to be sniper weapons. Broken much? Not only are missile damage amounts flawed (they were before), but now the missile damage curve is more like a cliff. This makes weapons designed to hit slightly smaller ships can't do its job at hitting moving ships of the same size. Just Looked at Iskurs 83. point Kinetic damage bonus, then saw Manticores missle damage + WHAT YOULL READ IN THE SHIPS DESCRIPTION HUH? Then even more REALIZED WHY MY CAPS RULE AND WHY WITH MY SKILLS IT SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE!
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague. Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:22:44 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:21:46 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:20:37 Originally by: Allen Ramses If you think missiles aren't broken, look at the price of Scourge Fury Heavy Missiles. A couple days ago, they hit over 1,500 ISK each. Also, look how expensive the Nighthawk is now. 270 mil in some areas, up from 165 mil. A nighthawk with scourge furies out damages a cruise raven by 13% with Command Ships V, not to mention an effective 140% better tracking. It also out-tanks a drake with ease. A HAM nighthawk, however, will be doing lol damage because Guided Missile Precision ****ed with the tracking of guided missiles while leaving unguided missiles alone. After GMP V, heavy missiles will be doing up to 38% more DPS than heavy assault rockets against smaller moving targets... And these are supposed to be sniper weapons. Broken much? Not only are missile damage amounts flawed (they were before), but now the missile damage curve is more like a cliff. This makes weapons designed to hit slightly smaller ships can't do its job at hitting moving ships of the same size. Just Looked at Iskurs 83. point Kinetic damage bonus, then saw Manticores missle damage + WHAT YOULL READ IN THE SHIPS DESCRIPTION HUH? Then even more REALIZED WHY MY CAPS RULE AND WHY WITH MY SKILLS IT SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE! Nice. This is exactly why people shouldn't post while drunk. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:29:00 - [26] Actually, even before the patch, this was nothing strange, this has nothing to do with nerf. My Still standing harpy usually took about 20% shield damage from a salvo of a stealthbomber, and when you are still standing, it doesent matter before or after patch, but this was before QR. So I don't get what your issue is ? Just SB's not doing what you want them to do, or the QE patch, because, in this specific instance that you meantion, the QR patch didn't change anything. AF's have always been able to easily tank SB's. /Riv
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Khemul Zula Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:22:44 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:21:46 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:20:37 Originally by: Allen Ramses If you think missiles aren't broken, look at the price of Scourge Fury Heavy Missiles. A couple days ago, they hit over 1,500 ISK each. Also, look how expensive the Nighthawk is now. 270 mil in some areas, up from 165 mil. A nighthawk with scourge furies out damages a cruise raven by 13% with Command Ships V, not to mention an effective 140% better tracking. It also out-tanks a drake with ease. A HAM nighthawk, however, will be doing lol damage because Guided Missile Precision ****ed with the tracking of guided missiles while leaving unguided missiles alone. After GMP V, heavy missiles will be doing up to 38% more DPS than heavy assault rockets against smaller moving targets... And these are supposed to be sniper weapons. Broken much? Not only are missile damage amounts flawed (they were before), but now the missile damage curve is more like a cliff. This makes weapons designed to hit slightly smaller ships can't do its job at hitting moving ships of the same size. Just Looked at Iskurs 83. point Kinetic damage bonus, then saw Manticores missle damage + WHAT YOULL READ IN THE SHIPS DESCRIPTION HUH? Then even more REALIZED WHY MY CAPS RULE AND WHY WITH MY SKILLS IT SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE! Nice. This is exactly why people shouldn't post while drunk. Hold on oh mouthy one did you bring one thing of merit to this table? Fuk no so STFU!
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:32:00 - [28] Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:35:55 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:35:15 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:34:30 Originally by: Rivqua Actually, even before the patch, this was nothing strange, this has nothing to do with nerf. My Still standing harpy usually took about 20% shield damage from a salvo of a stealthbomber, and when you are still standing, it doesent matter before or after patch, but this was before QR. So I don't get what your issue is ? Just SB's not doing what you want them to do, or the QE patch, because, in this specific instance that you meantion, the QR patch didn't change anything. AF's have always been able to easily tank SB's. /Riv Hey , glad you got it, and btw, thats why Stealth Bomber has been broke from the get GOOOOOOOOOOOO! Oh the qualifyer is they cost upwards of 15 million 24 if you give em Cloak! Now I've officlally b.tch slapped every single naaaaa-sayer in this thread!
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Vurion Just Looked at Iskurs 83. point Kinetic damage bonus, then saw Manticores issle damage + WHAT YOULL READ IN THE SHIPS DESCRIPTION HUH? Then even more REALIZED WHY MY CAPS RULE AND WHY WITH MY SKILLS IT SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE! ...What? ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. Made a reality by speed and missile nerf.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Vurion Just Looked at Iskurs 83. point Kinetic damage bonus, then saw Manticores missle damage + WHAT YOULL READ IN THE SHIPS DESCRIPTION HUH? Then even more REALIZED WHY MY CAPS RULE AND WHY WITH MY SKILLS IT SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE! Typing in caps, and failing to understand EVE You will be a pro whiner one day my son.

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