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Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 00:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 00:49:51 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 00:48:49 A Manticore Vs a Ishkur, ok Ishkur is at 20 range -I fire 1 salvo(barely takes him past shields into start of armor. HUH! Tech 2 launchers 3 of them with (Wrath presicion) my skill every missle skil at 4, target navigation at 5! Im like WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Long story short, dudes friend show up before my second full slavo and insta pops me. Leaving with the question how many slavos would I have needed 2 3 or 4???? Im just ****ed off 12,000,000 in missles and I get barely past shields for, a ship that claims to be SPECIALST IN HUNTING AND KILLING FRIGS?????? On top of that prescion missles tech 2? WTF! Oh btw , I asked the guy then saw he was a 6 month in noob!
Anianka Star	Posted - 2008.12.25 00:53:00 - [2] Look at the resistance on the ship to kinetic damage
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.25 00:53:00 - [3] Stealth bombers are getting looked at -.-
AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Orion GUardian Stealth bombers are getting looked at -.- Immediately post missile nerf, my Manti became a hangar ornament, suggest you do the same.
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:15:00 - [5] Originally by: AkRoYeR Originally by: Orion GUardian Stealth bombers are getting looked at -.- Immediately post missile nerf, my Manti became a hangar ornament, suggest you do the same. Oh yeah, I can safely state with no objection- before the Caldari MISSLE Nerfs, My Maticore worked correctly!!!
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:21:03 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:19:24 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:18:22 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:17:24 Originally by: AkRoYeR Originally by: Orion GUardian Stealth bombers are getting looked at -.- Immediately post missile nerf, my Manti became a hangar ornament, suggest you do the same. Oh yeah, I can safely state with no objection- before the Caldari MISSLE Nerfs, My Maticore worked correctly!!! If I saw a Frigate it was toast REGARLESS like it should be!!!!!!! Assault ship or not. WAIT ------------SCREAMING RANT 3 FREAKING BATTLESHIP TECH 2 MISSLE LAUNCHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I FORGOT SCREAMS AGAIN WITH PRECSION MISSLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! edits justicefied! Complaining that Battleship Missiles can not hit frigates well is a very poor argument, your basically suggesting that Battleships become solopwnmobiles. However, it is a problem in the case of Stealth Bombers, which get a bonus to Explosion Velocity in order to try and negate the ineffectiveness of Cruise Missiles versus smaller targets. Post QR, it's not enough however.
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:41:00 - [7] my hound 3 salvoed an atron day after QR. my hound is now retired until a future patch. -- i am a humble and inefficient ammo to dps converter
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:47:00 - [8] You're not really a missile expert if you can't figure that one out, huh? Fit a target painter, a web if you're hardcore and you'll still pop him really goddamn fast. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Anianka Star Look at the resistance on the ship to kinetic damage Signed ^^.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:55:00 - [10] Look at resists... My ishkur could tank most SBs before the nerf.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.12.25 01:59:00 - [11] Ishkur is an AF. Great resists for a frig alone and possibly more dependent on skills/fit. SB is a ship that can still almost insta T1 frigs and is useful in those situations. Asking for a SB to insta an AF though is pushing it and if you were only 20 away from the ishkur you probably would of lost anyway regardless of how many friends he had. Adapt.
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Dyaven Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:21:03 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:19:24 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:18:22 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 01:17:24 Originally by: AkRoYeR Originally by: Orion GUardian Stealth bombers are getting looked at -.- Immediately post missile nerf, my Manti became a hangar ornament, suggest you do the same. Oh yeah, I can safely state with no objection- before the Caldari MISSLE Nerfs, My Maticore worked correctly!!! If I saw a Frigate it was toast REGARLESS like it should be!!!!!!! Assault ship or not. WAIT ------------SCREAMING RANT 3 FREAKING BATTLESHIP TECH 2 MISSLE LAUNCHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I FORGOT SCREAMS AGAIN WITH PRECSION MISSLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! edits justicefied! Complaining that Battleship Missiles can not hit frigates well is a very poor argument, your basically suggesting that Battleships become solopwnmobiles. However, it is a problem in the case of Stealth Bombers, which get a bonus to Explosion Velocity in order to try and negate the ineffectiveness of Cruise Missiles versus smaller targets. Post QR, it's not enough however. Epic FAIL! Read what The Manticore does or is supossed to do-- and or uses with BS MODS and missles
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Faife my hound 3 salvoed an atron day after QR. my hound is now retired until a future patch. Thank you!
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Grarr Dexx You're not really a missile expert if you can't figure that one out, huh? Fit a target painter, a web if you're hardcore and you'll still pop him really goddamn fast. Hehe look everyone gaYNESS and excuse of lameness! Moves on!
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Schalac Ishkur is an AF. Great resists for a frig alone and possibly more dependent on skills/fit. SB is a ship that can still almost insta T1 frigs and is useful in those situations. Asking for a SB to insta an AF though is pushing it and if you were only 20 away from the ishkur you probably would of lost anyway regardless of how many friends he had. Adapt. You and the two posts above you FAIL, why because kinetic resistance is nice , BUT SHOULDNT FUCING MATTER AS MUCH AS CCP NERFED! A resistance ok, I can deal with but, at some point that resistance should FAIL JUST LIKE YOU PATHETICE Galgirls want to make it seem like it should last forever. CCP YOU FUKED UP!
Benco97 Gallente Friendly Archaeology Group of Inder	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:11:00 - [16] Getting angry will just make people ignore whatever you say, whether you make a valid point or not. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Vurion Originally by: Schalac Ishkur is an AF. Great resists for a frig alone and possibly more dependent on skills/fit. SB is a ship that can still almost insta T1 frigs and is useful in those situations. Asking for a SB to insta an AF though is pushing it and if you were only 20 away from the ishkur you probably would of lost anyway regardless of how many friends he had. Adapt. You and the two posts above you FAIL, why because kinetic resistance is nice , BUT SHOULDNT FUCING MATTER AS MUCH AS CCP NERFED! A resistance ok, I can deal with but, at some point that resistance should FAIL JUST LIKE YOU PATHETICE Galgirls want to make it seem like it should last forever. CCP YOU FUKED UP! LOL you are an idiot. Go jump in a fire with your failed resists.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:21:00 - [18] Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 25/12/2008 02:21:26 Originally by: Anianka Star Look at the resistance on the ship to kinetic damage i believe ishkur has something like 83.5% kinetic missile resistance on top of that, its a frig, so small sig radius + speed tanking (so, going probably close to 1000 m/sec) Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
m3talc0re X Caldari Heavens Gate Consortium	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:30:00 - [19] He's angry because stupid people keep posting in these nerf threads saying we missile users should just adapt and the nerf wasn't so bad when they really don't know wtf they're talking about. Despite all your completely wrong arguments saying we weren't, we were in fact nerfed to hell by CCP. Plain. and simple. Flame all you want, but you're wrong, so stfu already. Kthxbai. -------------------------- Wait, what now? Yes, I was Anubis Assassin, this will be my new main XD
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:31:00 - [20] Originally by: m3talc0re X He's angry because stupid people keep posting in these nerf threads saying we missile users should just adapt and the nerf wasn't so bad when they really don't know wtf they're talking about. Despite all your completely wrong arguments saying we weren't, we were in fact nerfed to hell by CCP. Plain. and simple. Flame all you want, but you're wrong, so stfu already. Kthxbai. Bye oh and learn to adapt noob
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:49:00 - [21] Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 02:51:49 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 02:51:08 Oops read next post.
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 02:51:00 - [22] Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 02:54:06 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 02:52:57 Originally by: Vurion At this point, it seems every missle thread has equal amount of pro/con replys! CCP there most positively needs a closer look by you,--------- at what is happening. Us in being that are high skilled( MISSLE USERS) FEEL, that we are choaked by what you've done, as well those how havent 10 points in missle skills -------claim ADAPT huh?? There analogy is yeah Im 5'9 feet tall, let me teach you 6'7 men how to dunk the basketball?
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:13:00 - [23] If you think missiles aren't broken, look at the price of Scourge Fury Heavy Missiles. A couple days ago, they hit over 1,500 ISK each. Also, look how expensive the Nighthawk is now. 270 mil in some areas, up from 165 mil. A nighthawk with scourge furies out damages a cruise raven by 13% with Command Ships V, not to mention an effective 140% better tracking. It also out-tanks a drake with ease. A HAM nighthawk, however, will be doing lol damage because Guided Missile Precision ****ed with the tracking of guided missiles while leaving unguided missiles alone. After GMP V, heavy missiles will be doing up to 38% more DPS than heavy assault rockets against smaller moving targets... And these are supposed to be sniper weapons. Broken much? Not only are missile damage amounts flawed (they were before), but now the missile damage curve is more like a cliff. This makes weapons designed to hit slightly smaller ships can't do its job at hitting moving ships of the same size. ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. Made a reality by speed and missile nerf.
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:20:00 - [24] Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:22:44 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:21:46 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:20:37 Originally by: Allen Ramses If you think missiles aren't broken, look at the price of Scourge Fury Heavy Missiles. A couple days ago, they hit over 1,500 ISK each. Also, look how expensive the Nighthawk is now. 270 mil in some areas, up from 165 mil. A nighthawk with scourge furies out damages a cruise raven by 13% with Command Ships V, not to mention an effective 140% better tracking. It also out-tanks a drake with ease. A HAM nighthawk, however, will be doing lol damage because Guided Missile Precision ****ed with the tracking of guided missiles while leaving unguided missiles alone. After GMP V, heavy missiles will be doing up to 38% more DPS than heavy assault rockets against smaller moving targets... And these are supposed to be sniper weapons. Broken much? Not only are missile damage amounts flawed (they were before), but now the missile damage curve is more like a cliff. This makes weapons designed to hit slightly smaller ships can't do its job at hitting moving ships of the same size. Just Looked at Iskurs 83. point Kinetic damage bonus, then saw Manticores missle damage + WHAT YOULL READ IN THE SHIPS DESCRIPTION HUH? Then even more REALIZED WHY MY CAPS RULE AND WHY WITH MY SKILLS IT SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE!
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague. Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:22:44 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:21:46 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:20:37 Originally by: Allen Ramses If you think missiles aren't broken, look at the price of Scourge Fury Heavy Missiles. A couple days ago, they hit over 1,500 ISK each. Also, look how expensive the Nighthawk is now. 270 mil in some areas, up from 165 mil. A nighthawk with scourge furies out damages a cruise raven by 13% with Command Ships V, not to mention an effective 140% better tracking. It also out-tanks a drake with ease. A HAM nighthawk, however, will be doing lol damage because Guided Missile Precision ****ed with the tracking of guided missiles while leaving unguided missiles alone. After GMP V, heavy missiles will be doing up to 38% more DPS than heavy assault rockets against smaller moving targets... And these are supposed to be sniper weapons. Broken much? Not only are missile damage amounts flawed (they were before), but now the missile damage curve is more like a cliff. This makes weapons designed to hit slightly smaller ships can't do its job at hitting moving ships of the same size. Just Looked at Iskurs 83. point Kinetic damage bonus, then saw Manticores missle damage + WHAT YOULL READ IN THE SHIPS DESCRIPTION HUH? Then even more REALIZED WHY MY CAPS RULE AND WHY WITH MY SKILLS IT SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE! Nice. This is exactly why people shouldn't post while drunk. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:29:00 - [26] Actually, even before the patch, this was nothing strange, this has nothing to do with nerf. My Still standing harpy usually took about 20% shield damage from a salvo of a stealthbomber, and when you are still standing, it doesent matter before or after patch, but this was before QR. So I don't get what your issue is ? Just SB's not doing what you want them to do, or the QE patch, because, in this specific instance that you meantion, the QR patch didn't change anything. AF's have always been able to easily tank SB's. /Riv
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Khemul Zula Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:22:44 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:21:46 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:20:37 Originally by: Allen Ramses If you think missiles aren't broken, look at the price of Scourge Fury Heavy Missiles. A couple days ago, they hit over 1,500 ISK each. Also, look how expensive the Nighthawk is now. 270 mil in some areas, up from 165 mil. A nighthawk with scourge furies out damages a cruise raven by 13% with Command Ships V, not to mention an effective 140% better tracking. It also out-tanks a drake with ease. A HAM nighthawk, however, will be doing lol damage because Guided Missile Precision ****ed with the tracking of guided missiles while leaving unguided missiles alone. After GMP V, heavy missiles will be doing up to 38% more DPS than heavy assault rockets against smaller moving targets... And these are supposed to be sniper weapons. Broken much? Not only are missile damage amounts flawed (they were before), but now the missile damage curve is more like a cliff. This makes weapons designed to hit slightly smaller ships can't do its job at hitting moving ships of the same size. Just Looked at Iskurs 83. point Kinetic damage bonus, then saw Manticores missle damage + WHAT YOULL READ IN THE SHIPS DESCRIPTION HUH? Then even more REALIZED WHY MY CAPS RULE AND WHY WITH MY SKILLS IT SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE! Nice. This is exactly why people shouldn't post while drunk. Hold on oh mouthy one did you bring one thing of merit to this table? Fuk no so STFU!
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:32:00 - [28] Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:35:55 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:35:15 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:34:30 Originally by: Rivqua Actually, even before the patch, this was nothing strange, this has nothing to do with nerf. My Still standing harpy usually took about 20% shield damage from a salvo of a stealthbomber, and when you are still standing, it doesent matter before or after patch, but this was before QR. So I don't get what your issue is ? Just SB's not doing what you want them to do, or the QE patch, because, in this specific instance that you meantion, the QR patch didn't change anything. AF's have always been able to easily tank SB's. /Riv Hey , glad you got it, and btw, thats why Stealth Bomber has been broke from the get GOOOOOOOOOOOO! Oh the qualifyer is they cost upwards of 15 million 24 if you give em Cloak! Now I've officlally b.tch slapped every single naaaaa-sayer in this thread!
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Vurion Just Looked at Iskurs 83. point Kinetic damage bonus, then saw Manticores issle damage + WHAT YOULL READ IN THE SHIPS DESCRIPTION HUH? Then even more REALIZED WHY MY CAPS RULE AND WHY WITH MY SKILLS IT SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE! ...What? ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. Made a reality by speed and missile nerf.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Vurion Just Looked at Iskurs 83. point Kinetic damage bonus, then saw Manticores missle damage + WHAT YOULL READ IN THE SHIPS DESCRIPTION HUH? Then even more REALIZED WHY MY CAPS RULE AND WHY WITH MY SKILLS IT SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE! Typing in caps, and failing to understand EVE You will be a pro whiner one day my son.
Vurion	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:40:00 - [31] Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:45:16 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:44:43 Edited by: Vurion on 25/12/2008 03:40:46 Originally by: Allen Ramses Originally by: Vurion Just Looked at Iskurs 83. point Kinetic damage bonus, then saw Manticores issle damage + WHAT YOULL READ IN THE SHIPS DESCRIPTION HUH? Then even more REALIZED WHY MY CAPS RULE AND WHY WITH MY SKILLS IT SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE! ...What? Simple read what a Manticore is , then read an ishkur description. I say regardless of a Ishkurs lvl be it at 5 with a kinectic mod, when coupled with a Manticore at 5 with every missle skill at 4 to 5 there shouldnt be a contest.......... Then realize the price one pays for a ishkur vs a fully loaded manticore, nuff said CCP FIX THE MESS UP! Heres even more CCP gives a frigate Battleship power but, then doesnt give that said ship the ability to use (despite its so weak)? C'mon!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kirex Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:57:00 - [32] You couldn't insta pop an ASSAULT frigate with over 80% resists using 3 cruise missiles! EVE IS SO UNFAIR! Reep what you sow, Caldari whiners. Your Raven is just as useful as my Vagabond and Rapier are.
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague. Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.12.25 04:00:00 - [33] Description for the Ishkur. Quote: Specialized as a frigate-class drone carrier, the Ishkur carries less in the way of firepower than most other Gallente gunboats. With a fully stocked complement of drones and a skilled pilot, however, no one should make the mistake of thinking this vessel easy prey. The bolded line made me laugh after reading this thread. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Xavier Zedicus	Posted - 2008.12.25 04:01:00 - [34] they are not the same ship class.... how could u compare them via a 1v1 if they are not even INTENDED to do the same thing.
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2008.12.25 04:08:00 - [35] Edited by: Allen Ramses on 25/12/2008 04:09:04 Originally by: Kirex Your Raven is just as useful as my Vagabond and Rapier are. Your vagabond is useful. Any halfway intelligent vaga pilot would fill the lows with tank and tracking mods. And your Rapier is as useful as it was before. Your ship has a target painter bonus. Use it. Your failure to adapt is no excuse to pass off flawed numbers and mechanics as nothing more than Caldari whine. The CCP design team came up with the nerf, the same group of people who believe the descriptions for snake implants shouldn't match the attributes. While the nerf was needed on both fronts, a ******ed monkey could do a better job. ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. Made a reality by speed and missile nerf.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.25 04:51:00 - [36] Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 25/12/2008 04:54:23 The ishkur has 85% base shield resists. Now in a manticore with all level 5 skills, 2 bcu II, and 3 precision wraith missiles, your unmodified strike should be for 2004 damage, the ishkur takes 15% of this, or 300.6 damage, the ishkur has 571 shield hit points with all level 5 skills. be happy you even got him into armor...
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.12.25 04:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Allen Ramses Any halfway intelligent vaga pilot would fill the lows with gyros, any attempt to armour tank it would be laugable and result in comedy loss mail Fixed that for you. And yeah the rapier is meant for target painting, its not like a vigil could do it...
Kirex Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.25 05:16:00 - [38] Quote: Any halfway intelligent vaga pilot would fill the lows with tank and tracking mods. Are you seriously suggesting a Vagabond fit an armor tank and tracking mods? Tbh, a rupture would be more effective if you want to do something like that. The PURPOSE of the vaga is to go fast. Quote: And your Rapier is as useful as it was before. Your ship has a target painter bonus. Use it. No way in hell it is. How is it "as useful as it was before" with 60% webs? It can't even speed tank a megathron (a blaster ship) at 20-30km. And target painting? For solo, webs are by far more useful, unless your rapier can shoot torps/cruise. In general, TPs are useful if the target is triple webbed or a decent amount of people in your gang are using missiles and shooting small targets. They're even better when shooting same sized ships. Webs are simply more viable. TPs can't even fit on a standard QR Rapier now. With 6 meds, you need 1 for MWD, 1 for scram, 2 for webs (two webs are MANDATORY now), that leaves two slots for two extenders. Please, don't tell me to armor tank my Rapier too. Heh, but you know what's kinda ironic? If you think fitting target painters on a rapier is viable, the solution to all your troubles is the same as it was pre nano nerf...."Just bring a Rapier"
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.12.25 05:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Vurion Originally by: Grarr Dexx You're not really a missile expert if you can't figure that one out, huh? Fit a target painter, a web if you're hardcore and you'll still pop him really goddamn fast. Hehe look everyone gaYNESS and excuse of lameness! Moves on! Vurion, you are an idiot. Go back to flying T1 frigs. /thread
Major Deviant	Posted - 2008.12.25 08:37:00 - [40] Various people mentioned the usual adapt or die etc stuff but there is something wrong with SBs post QR. Being a missile user I like the changes but there is a problem with explosion velocity in the new formula which especially hurt the SB. I knew QR would spell doom for the SB, when non AF/MWD Battleships were speed-tanking cruise missiles. The SB gets a bonus to explosion radious and NONE to explosion velocity. And there is the problem with SBs currently. Not though that I would expect an AF to be easy pickings, I had problems with those prior to QR. But what kind of bonus would you give to it? With a base explosion velocity of the cruise being 69, even getting 100% bonus you have 140 and don't look at frigs, but tell me what cruiser flies that slow.
Furb Killer Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.25 09:04:00 - [41] Sure SBs arent really usefull. But they also werent before QR. Before QR in gallente militia, i was once flying in a plex in a wolf. When i just entered a stilleto joined me, and he wasnt nice. He put point on me, and didnt do much else, i couldnt really worry about it, was just a matter of time before i did enough damage to him so he would need to run. However after that a stealth bomber decloaked, a manticore, he started shooting cruise missiles on me. Now guess what. There wasnt anything quick or painless about the destruction of my ship. He fired somewhere arround 6-8 salvos on me before i was dead. And that is without the kinetic resists of an ishkur. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.25 09:53:00 - [42] Edited by: Tippia on 25/12/2008 09:55:23 Quote: a ship that claims to be SPECIALST IN HUNTING AND KILLING FRIGS?????? Let's read the Manticore's description shall we: Quote: Specifically engineered to fire cruise missiles, stealth bombers represent the next generation in covert ops craft. Advanced techniques in spatial distortion technology enable them to potentially fly faster when cloaked than when uncloaked - a fact which, coupled with their considerable firepower, makes them extremely dangerous in the hands of an accomplished pilot. In addition, stealth bombers' extremely advanced missile navigation subroutines are able to triangulate a cruise missile's trajectory in advance, resulting in a decreased factor of signature radius and making the missile more effective against smaller targets (which it does). Nothing about it being specialised in an anti-frig role; a mention that it allows cruise missiles to be more effective against smaller targets. So no, the ship makes no such claim and you can stop complaining. Instead you should learn how to fit your ship and how to pick your missiles (kinetic missiles?! lmao!). My Ishkur does 2.4km/s with an AB and has 86/87 kinetic resist. Even at zero speed, it can soak up your silly kinetic missiles on shield regen alone. Good luck if I it starts to move or if it actives some kind of tank. Oh and: Quote: Oh btw , I asked the guy then saw he was a 6 month in noob! Funny how he apparently manages to understand the game better than you after such a short time. Maybe you should ask eBay for a refund. No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
TooNu Caldari State Protectorate Academy	Posted - 2008.12.25 11:03:00 - [43] First to the OP, firing at an AF is silly. The damage they absorb regardless of resists is just crazy. Don't fire cruise missiles at an Assault Frigate. Now you have learned this and won't do it again unless you are part of a gang. I am also a stealth bomber pilot and am also frustrated at this but now we have to help gangs and fleets or be patient for t1 frigates/destroyers. To everybody else, not many of you relise how nerfed the Stealth Bomber became after that patch, which is fine, ignorance is not uncommon even in EvE. To even suggest fitting a web to a ship like a stealth bomber against an assault frigate who excel at close range is madness, I urge you to try it a few times and let us know your total Isk loss. Adapt or die is the only thing we can do as stealth bomber pilots, so train up something else and fly your Manti' as a scout and t1 frigate popper. Go and help out a fleet or a small gang with some dps and your ability to cloak. Your dps is still very good against cruisers but remember now you are more of a support craft and less of a solo bird.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.25 11:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Allen Ramses Edited by: Allen Ramses on 25/12/2008 04:09:04 Originally by: Kirex Your Raven is just as useful as my Vagabond and Rapier are. Your vagabond is useful. Any halfway intelligent vaga pilot would fill the lows with tank and tracking mods. And your Rapier is as useful as it was before. Your ship has a target painter bonus. Use it. Your failure to adapt is no excuse to pass off flawed numbers and mechanics as nothing more than Caldari whine. The CCP design team came up with the nerf, the same group of people who believe the descriptions for snake implants shouldn't match the attributes. While the nerf was needed on both fronts, a ****ed monkey could do a better job. You sir are wrong. I fly caldari and minmatar. My vaga works to an extent, but you are nuts to think I'd try fitting a 3 slot armor tank and slow down one of the worst tanking T2 ships in the game. Rapier's bonus to TP's is moderately useful, but not near as much as the Web bonus. Fit a MWD/Scram/2x Webs/SB... TP? and a 3 low slot tank like you suggest I do on a Vaga? Fly the ship before you suggest setups. This is nothing but a caldari missile whine, and you know why I can say this? I can set up a T1 frig that will take more than 1 volley from a SB, much less a T2 frig that can take more than one volley. Fit TP's in the Mids on your missile ships, I fit one on my ratting Cerb. ------------ Originally by:** Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.25 12:07:00 - [45] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 25/12/2008 09:55:23 Quote: a ship that claims to be SPECIALST IN HUNTING AND KILLING FRIGS?????? Let's read the Manticore's description shall we: Quote: Specifically engineered to fire cruise missiles, stealth bombers represent the next generation in covert ops craft. Advanced techniques in spatial distortion technology enable them to potentially fly faster when cloaked than when uncloaked - a fact which, coupled with their considerable firepower, makes them extremely dangerous in the hands of an accomplished pilot. In addition, stealth bombers' extremely advanced missile navigation subroutines are able to triangulate a cruise missile's trajectory in advance, resulting in a decreased factor of signature radius and making the missile more effective against smaller targets (which it does). Nothing about it being specialised in an anti-frig role; a mention that it allows cruise missiles to be more effective against smaller targets. So no, the ship makes no such claim and you can stop complaining. My thoughts exactly when I read the OP's post. If the OP is looking for an anti frig ship, the Destroyer is what fills that role in the same way the BC is an anti cruiser ship. The fact that everyone and his dog has been complaining about the SB since it was released hasn't seemed to cross anyone's mind. As paper thin as a Covops and no ability to cloak after launch until the missiles hit means it's almost always dead after launching it's alpha strike. If you want something that makes a difference in a battle, use bombs instead of missiles and don't ever expect any ship to be a solopwnmobile so use it as part of a gang as was intended. The SB was initially designed to soften up targets for your team mates not as a solo ship. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Azura Nester Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates	Posted - 2008.12.25 14:30:00 - [46] my nemesis still works great :P
Kara Mitsui The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.01.02 09:28:00 - [47] Just the fact that he was engaging an AF at 20km tells you all you need to know. Ishkur pilot must have been a moron too 'cos that thing could melt a bomber in seconds... Bombers are very effective at what they do, but what they do is extremely limited and is never a solo activity. If they were any more multi-purpose they would be overpowered.
FarosWarrior Amarr Sonnema	Posted - 2009.01.02 09:41:00 - [48] AF > SB now go back 2 wow and sell your char again (can I have your stuff? IM TEH FIRST YEAH) Cheers, Faros
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.01.02 10:00:00 - [49] My one complaint is about you abusing the word missile. Delenda est achura.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2009.01.02 10:15:00 - [50] Originally by: Grarr Dexx You're not really a missile expert if you can't figure that one out, huh? Fit a target painter, a web if you're hardcore and you'll still pop him really goddamn fast. See there's a flaw. Target painters is not caldari (missile user) ewar (well until some clever guy decided to give one single lolcarebearship bonus). Web isn't either. Both types of ewar are close range, where caldari ships suck and dont have ability to survive. But then maybe I've understood wrong and missile ships are supposed to ram the opponent and explode.

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