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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:24:00 -
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Ok I have had a long think about this so here goes:
I like having pirates in the game it adds depth and risk and makes life more fun!
But at the same time Im a total CareBear  why? I shall tell you:
Its one of those loop problems a catch 22........I want there to be pirates coz they are fun but at the same time I cant stand malicous Gloating scum that kill and pod just for fun 
Reasons: Well you see I know you cant have your pie and eat it but Im paying for this game too and I would like to be able to actually have a look around for a change you know:
Fly into 0.0 and just check out the planets see new things Npc rats that are plain scary and find hidden bases etc etc I mean it would actually be nice just to be able to see the bigger picture for a change rather than hiding like the feeble little carebear that I am in 0.5 sec or above!
See there are almost too many people playing now and too many pirates! Used to be only a handfull of you scary nasty scum now there are 1000's 
we used to be able to get away with running into 0.0 and looking around now its almost certain death! I know you guys are just doing your jobs but hey man I want to see what you get to look at as well!
Now you have to try and join a corp thats strong enough to hold a small section of 0.0 and thats a little sad for the single people or players that just want to be able to explore a game they are paying for as well.
I like this game I like even the pirate scum but Its all getting a bit much now? Of course there are som many Real life scum playing this game too and thats even more scary (they are the ones about to Flame me to death for this post because they spend there whole day looking for posts to attack!) I think its a look how clever and insulting I can be thing? Could be wrong though
The other thing Is I understand that some of you pirates are finding it hard to earn a living! Or as some of you have said before you kill and pod just becasue you can? And dont really give a **** about other peoples opinions.
Fair enough you pay as well you can do what you like! Another thing I find a problem is that when you go around killing and podding its no big deal to you. Your a Pirate its what you do right? But this is why there are carebears its one thing to attack some 500000000000 mill isk player who doesnt really give a **** if they lose a ship
But when you kill noobs who have spent 7 weeks training skills and collecting a little isk and finnaly buy there slightly better noob ship, You kill the game and there fun for them when you scrap metal it and pod them! Or even like me I come back to a game after being out for 9 months and lose all the implants that took me ages and months of real life days to get!
Now I know I was being an idiot and just wasnt thinking so I pretty much deserved it but when that happens and you are back to square one again its frustrating and annoying! 
I hate all these threads attacking Care Bear types because Its a game but also its ment to be fun for all not just a group of elite or just plain nasty people!
When me or that noob loses that ship? Implants? Equipment? They simply cant replace it so they have worked at becoming something for what? They are paying for a game they cant even go exploring totally because they will lose all the work they have put into said game!
I dont know what the solution is just giving a point of view and yes of course I know there are counter arguments about to hit this Thread but I just want to know if its fun for everyone or not?
Personaly I tried to take a lighter picture after calming down and thought well I like pirates being here and Its kinda fun sometimes to have to work your way up the ladder again! But for how long will it remain fun for people like me and Im sure there are a few out there?
A lot of people using the forums are elite or been playing a while so I wont really get a very good response me thinks but it would be intresting to get the views of a lot of non-elite or new players
If anyone has idea's then post em here! (Now Im really asking for trouble lol)
By the way has anyone else noticed its really hard if your say starting with no cash to make decent money now? Turning into the real world almost the rich stay rich and the poor get poorer.
Anyway kind regards
GavTheMighty
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:24:00 -
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Ok I have had a long think about this so here goes:
I like having pirates in the game it adds depth and risk and makes life more fun!
But at the same time Im a total CareBear why? I shall tell you:
Its one of those loop problems a catch 22........I want there to be pirates coz they are fun but at the same time I cant stand malicous Gloating scum that kill and pod just for fun
Reasons: Well you see I know you cant have your pie and eat it but Im paying for this game too and I would like to be able to actually have a look around for a change you know:
Fly into 0.0 and just check out the planets see new things Npc rats that are plain scary and find hidden bases etc etc I mean it would actually be nice just to be able to see the bigger picture for a change rather than hiding like the feeble little carebear that I am in 0.5 sec or above!
See there are almost too many people playing now and too many pirates! Used to be only a handfull of you scary nasty scum now there are 1000's
we used to be able to get away with running into 0.0 and looking around now its almost certain death! I know you guys are just doing your jobs but hey man I want to see what you get to look at as well!
Now you have to try and join a corp thats strong enough to hold a small section of 0.0 and thats a little sad for the single people or players that just want to be able to explore a game they are paying for as well.
I like this game I like even the pirate scum but Its all getting a bit much now? Of course there are som many Real life scum playing this game too and thats even more scary (they are the ones about to Flame me to death for this post because they spend there whole day looking for posts to attack!) I think its a look how clever and insulting I can be thing? Could be wrong though
The other thing Is I understand that some of you pirates are finding it hard to earn a living! Or as some of you have said before you kill and pod just becasue you can? And dont really give a **** about other peoples opinions.
Fair enough you pay as well you can do what you like! Another thing I find a problem is that when you go around killing and podding its no big deal to you. Your a Pirate its what you do right? But this is why there are carebears its one thing to attack some 500000000000 mill isk player who doesnt really give a **** if they lose a ship
But when you kill noobs who have spent 7 weeks training skills and collecting a little isk and finnaly buy there slightly better noob ship, You kill the game and there fun for them when you scrap metal it and pod them! Or even like me I come back to a game after being out for 9 months and lose all the implants that took me ages and months of real life days to get!
Now I know I was being an idiot and just wasnt thinking so I pretty much deserved it but when that happens and you are back to square one again its frustrating and annoying!
I hate all these threads attacking Care Bear types because Its a game but also its ment to be fun for all not just a group of elite or just plain nasty people!
When me or that noob loses that ship? Implants? Equipment? They simply cant replace it so they have worked at becoming something for what? They are paying for a game they cant even go exploring totally because they will lose all the work they have put into said game!
I dont know what the solution is just giving a point of view and yes of course I know there are counter arguments about to hit this Thread but I just want to know if its fun for everyone or not?
Personaly I tried to take a lighter picture after calming down and thought well I like pirates being here and Its kinda fun sometimes to have to work your way up the ladder again! But for how long will it remain fun for people like me and Im sure there are a few out there?
A lot of people using the forums are elite or been playing a while so I wont really get a very good response me thinks but it would be intresting to get the views of a lot of non-elite or new players
If anyone has idea's then post em here! (Now Im really asking for trouble lol)
By the way has anyone else noticed its really hard if your say starting with no cash to make decent money now? Turning into the real world almost the rich stay rich and the poor get poorer.
Anyway kind regards
GavTheMighty
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Xadian
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Xadian on 20/07/2004 17:33:50
Now, when you say "I can't get into 0.0 cause I'll get ganked." it's most of the time not pirates, but alliances, who do the ganking. 
Oh, and if you do want into 0.0, grab a frig with MWDs, they can't stop you from reaching gates.
But as to all the cool stuff in 0.0...there's really not a whole lot more than in empire. In fact, most of the really really cool sights are in empire, not 0.0.
Oh, and most of the people we kill aren't noobs, because most noobs have the brains to stay out of .4> until they can defend themselves.
Always hit the big red button whenever you get the chance.
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Xadian
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Xadian on 20/07/2004 17:33:50
Now, when you say "I can't get into 0.0 cause I'll get ganked." it's most of the time not pirates, but alliances, who do the ganking.
Oh, and if you do want into 0.0, grab a frig with MWDs, they can't stop you from reaching gates.
But as to all the cool stuff in 0.0...there's really not a whole lot more than in empire. In fact, most of the really really cool sights are in empire, not 0.0.
Oh, and most of the people we kill aren't noobs, because most noobs have the brains to stay out of .4> until they can defend themselves.
Always hit the big red button whenever you get the chance.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:35:00 -
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"They" arent pirats anymore!
"They" are Settlers of 0.0
"They" based em selfs in there and made living
now "they" are startting to make goverments and stuff in there
"They" are startting to resemble thous who made U.S.A
and also "they" ackt like goverment of U.S.A
So u cant anymore call em pirats, cause "they" claimed that space and now they are guarding that what "they" had claimed!
untill it will be grantted to them by Mighty CCP, and we will get player owned factions and stuff
and ill get to build Statue of liberty in serpentis prime, and pentagon somewere else
The pirats had mowed back to 0.4 and some not so lucritive areas of 0.0 were "they" got no intrest...
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:35:00 -
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"They" arent pirats anymore!
"They" are Settlers of 0.0
"They" based em selfs in there and made living
now "they" are startting to make goverments and stuff in there
"They" are startting to resemble thous who made U.S.A
and also "they" ackt like goverment of U.S.A
So u cant anymore call em pirats, cause "they" claimed that space and now they are guarding that what "they" had claimed!
untill it will be grantted to them by Mighty CCP, and we will get player owned factions and stuff
and ill get to build Statue of liberty in serpentis prime, and pentagon somewere else
The pirats had mowed back to 0.4 and some not so lucritive areas of 0.0 were "they" got no intrest...
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Burzon
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:38:00 -
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Well said Gav, i agree to what you are saying and i think what makes the difference is that you are arguing in a non flaming and mature way. One idea would be to introduce PvP selction corridors as in Anarchy Online, e.g. you only are able to PvP with people that are around your experience, ut i doubt that this system is transportable to EVE.
Just my 2 Cents
Burzon
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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Burzon
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:38:00 -
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Well said Gav, i agree to what you are saying and i think what makes the difference is that you are arguing in a non flaming and mature way. One idea would be to introduce PvP selction corridors as in Anarchy Online, e.g. you only are able to PvP with people that are around your experience, ut i doubt that this system is transportable to EVE.
Just my 2 Cents
Burzon
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: GavTheMighty on 20/07/2004 17:47:25
Edited by: GavTheMighty on 20/07/2004 17:46:34
Your quite right to a certain extent but these alliances are pretty much just more pirates as far as Im concerned If they kill you for trying to look around or pass through there area
But hey thats a matter of opinion though.
And I hear what your saying even if 0.0 Isnt all that exciting it would be nice to be able to have the choice though? Or to fight some NPC Pirates above a certain level for a change? You cant really take on a lot of 0.0 NPC pirates in a superspeed frig which even then is not saying you will make it alive! Past the Players Pirates.
Like I said Im not here to promote CareBear society (even if it does sound like this) Im just trying to see if we can make it a fun game with freedom to all game? There will probably be a few............"If you dont like it leave" posts to this
You could have something like a little Section of 0,0 Space added that anyone can go running around and have seriously deadly sentry guns just on the stations and Gates so that it would make it more of a........You die if your dumb or are trying to raid the nice ore kinda thing. Just one smallish area so people could at least get a feel for the rest of the game they are now cut off from and where they could go to take on some nasty NPC's It will still keep the noobs from killing NPC Big baddy coz they simply wont be able to take them on unless in numbers which could be a fun thing in itself?
Anyway just a little Idea Im sure Im gonna be told how dumb and stupid that idea is!
But just remember Im simply throwing something into the air the finer points would be developed by others not me.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: GavTheMighty on 20/07/2004 17:47:25
Edited by: GavTheMighty on 20/07/2004 17:46:34
Your quite right to a certain extent but these alliances are pretty much just more pirates as far as Im concerned If they kill you for trying to look around or pass through there area
But hey thats a matter of opinion though.
And I hear what your saying even if 0.0 Isnt all that exciting it would be nice to be able to have the choice though? Or to fight some NPC Pirates above a certain level for a change? You cant really take on a lot of 0.0 NPC pirates in a superspeed frig which even then is not saying you will make it alive! Past the Players Pirates.
Like I said Im not here to promote CareBear society (even if it does sound like this) Im just trying to see if we can make it a fun game with freedom to all game? There will probably be a few............"If you dont like it leave" posts to this
You could have something like a little Section of 0,0 Space added that anyone can go running around and have seriously deadly sentry guns just on the stations and Gates so that it would make it more of a........You die if your dumb or are trying to raid the nice ore kinda thing. Just one smallish area so people could at least get a feel for the rest of the game they are now cut off from and where they could go to take on some nasty NPC's It will still keep the noobs from killing NPC Big baddy coz they simply wont be able to take them on unless in numbers which could be a fun thing in itself?
Anyway just a little Idea Im sure Im gonna be told how dumb and stupid that idea is!
But just remember Im simply throwing something into the air the finer points would be developed by others not me.
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Draximus Prime
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:08:00 -
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Hmm...
Redi, what do you think???
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Draximus Prime
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:08:00 -
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Hmm...
Redi, what do you think???
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:08:00 -
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I know boonaki is trying / is seeting up some frigate/cruiser and BS ladder style tournaments. I know why too. There isn't enough PvP for the people such as yourself.
I have to imagine while although you are broke you'd love to gear out a frigate or cruiser and give it a couple rounds with some guys you've met in local.
That's why, above all else I think CCP should focus on creating an arena. A place in empire space where people can go and sign-up for some PvP. Use a checklist style page that sets the boundries for the combat like no podding or ecm or whatever. Winner takes all and have a betting interface as well.
The idea is to be able to get these guys solo mining in .5 with indies a chance to experience PvP without the need to become a pirate or join an alliance or take a security hit having a sanctioned "rumble" within empire space.
All civilizations have had or have organized fighting. I think it's time to bring this facet into eve.
One of the biggest boons of DAOC was adding a level controlled battleground. This gave a chance for newish players to experience what the game is all about, PvP / RvR (realm vs realm).
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:08:00 -
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I know boonaki is trying / is seeting up some frigate/cruiser and BS ladder style tournaments. I know why too. There isn't enough PvP for the people such as yourself.
I have to imagine while although you are broke you'd love to gear out a frigate or cruiser and give it a couple rounds with some guys you've met in local.
That's why, above all else I think CCP should focus on creating an arena. A place in empire space where people can go and sign-up for some PvP. Use a checklist style page that sets the boundries for the combat like no podding or ecm or whatever. Winner takes all and have a betting interface as well.
The idea is to be able to get these guys solo mining in .5 with indies a chance to experience PvP without the need to become a pirate or join an alliance or take a security hit having a sanctioned "rumble" within empire space.
All civilizations have had or have organized fighting. I think it's time to bring this facet into eve.
One of the biggest boons of DAOC was adding a level controlled battleground. This gave a chance for newish players to experience what the game is all about, PvP / RvR (realm vs realm).
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redi
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Draximus Prime
Hmm...
Redi, what do you think???
sucks
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redi
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Draximus Prime
Hmm...
Redi, what do you think???
sucks
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Feaux Tomai
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:15:00 -
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Try and imagine EVE without any risk.
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Feaux Tomai
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:15:00 -
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Try and imagine EVE without any risk.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: redi
Originally by: Draximus Prime
Hmm...
Redi, what do you think???
sucks
Oh goody the kiddies have come out to play early
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: redi
Originally by: Draximus Prime
Hmm...
Redi, what do you think???
sucks
Oh goody the kiddies have come out to play early
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Lord banks
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:19:00 -
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Quote
Fly into 0.0 and just check out the planets see
new things Npc rats that are plain scary and find hidden bases etc etc Quote
Well come down to r3 and i will show u around
* if u r still a live when i drag you in to my cargo hold *
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Lord banks
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:19:00 -
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Quote
Fly into 0.0 and just check out the planets see
new things Npc rats that are plain scary and find hidden bases etc etc Quote
Well come down to r3 and i will show u around
* if u r still a live when i drag you in to my cargo hold *
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Feaux Tomai
Try and imagine EVE without any risk.
We are not talking about no risk we are talking about the oppertunity for all players to be able to explore the game in all aspects and not being cut off because of the elite or alliances etc etc.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Feaux Tomai
Try and imagine EVE without any risk.
We are not talking about no risk we are talking about the oppertunity for all players to be able to explore the game in all aspects and not being cut off because of the elite or alliances etc etc.
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Korben Allahn
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:21:00 -
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The problem here is not the pirates. It's the fact that what was once a largely unexplored game a few months ago now has a much larger population. Now, most of 0.0 has been explored and claimed, much like the American expansion into the West. What we need is for Shiva to give us more systems. a little over 2000, apparently, isn't quite enough.
I keep a teddy bear in my pod with me. A teddy bear with sharp teeth, massive claws, and a pinache for eating the flesh of podded corpses. I call him "Fuzzy". |
Korben Allahn
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:21:00 -
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The problem here is not the pirates. It's the fact that what was once a largely unexplored game a few months ago now has a much larger population. Now, most of 0.0 has been explored and claimed, much like the American expansion into the West. What we need is for Shiva to give us more systems. a little over 2000, apparently, isn't quite enough.
I keep a teddy bear in my pod with me. A teddy bear with sharp teeth, massive claws, and a pinache for eating the flesh of podded corpses. I call him "Fuzzy". |
Xadian
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: GavTheMighty
Originally by: Feaux Tomai
Try and imagine EVE without any risk.
We are not talking about no risk we are talking about the oppertunity for all players to be able to explore the game in all aspects and not being cut off because of the elite or alliances etc etc.
You are in no way cut off from 0.0. All you gotta do is just grab a fast little ship, and have enough guts to just run right though PF-346 or whereever you wanna go. If you're alone most of the time they won't send a fleet on you, as it's not worth the trouble, so just sneak down into deep 0.0 and explore all you want.
Always hit the big red button whenever you get the chance.
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Xadian
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: GavTheMighty
Originally by: Feaux Tomai
Try and imagine EVE without any risk.
We are not talking about no risk we are talking about the oppertunity for all players to be able to explore the game in all aspects and not being cut off because of the elite or alliances etc etc.
You are in no way cut off from 0.0. All you gotta do is just grab a fast little ship, and have enough guts to just run right though PF-346 or whereever you wanna go. If you're alone most of the time they won't send a fleet on you, as it's not worth the trouble, so just sneak down into deep 0.0 and explore all you want.
Always hit the big red button whenever you get the chance.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: GavTheMighty on 20/07/2004 18:34:15
I was going 600 ms in a merlin got ganked instantly
Some people dont have the skills for MWD or to use them for more than 2 sec's remember that!
This isnt about me I got to explore a little at least when the game was fairly newish Im thinking about all the new or fairly new players that are in the game now!
Or non-Stupidly rich or powerfull or elite or experienced players there are a lot of them but also a lot that are not them! Im trying to look at the bigger picture here!
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: GavTheMighty on 20/07/2004 18:34:15
I was going 600 ms in a merlin got ganked instantly
Some people dont have the skills for MWD or to use them for more than 2 sec's remember that!
This isnt about me I got to explore a little at least when the game was fairly newish Im thinking about all the new or fairly new players that are in the game now!
Or non-Stupidly rich or powerfull or elite or experienced players there are a lot of them but also a lot that are not them! Im trying to look at the bigger picture here!
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