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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:24:00 -
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Ok I have had a long think about this so here goes:
I like having pirates in the game it adds depth and risk and makes life more fun!
But at the same time Im a total CareBear  why? I shall tell you:
Its one of those loop problems a catch 22........I want there to be pirates coz they are fun but at the same time I cant stand malicous Gloating scum that kill and pod just for fun 
Reasons: Well you see I know you cant have your pie and eat it but Im paying for this game too and I would like to be able to actually have a look around for a change you know:
Fly into 0.0 and just check out the planets see new things Npc rats that are plain scary and find hidden bases etc etc I mean it would actually be nice just to be able to see the bigger picture for a change rather than hiding like the feeble little carebear that I am in 0.5 sec or above!
See there are almost too many people playing now and too many pirates! Used to be only a handfull of you scary nasty scum now there are 1000's 
we used to be able to get away with running into 0.0 and looking around now its almost certain death! I know you guys are just doing your jobs but hey man I want to see what you get to look at as well!
Now you have to try and join a corp thats strong enough to hold a small section of 0.0 and thats a little sad for the single people or players that just want to be able to explore a game they are paying for as well.
I like this game I like even the pirate scum but Its all getting a bit much now? Of course there are som many Real life scum playing this game too and thats even more scary (they are the ones about to Flame me to death for this post because they spend there whole day looking for posts to attack!) I think its a look how clever and insulting I can be thing? Could be wrong though
The other thing Is I understand that some of you pirates are finding it hard to earn a living! Or as some of you have said before you kill and pod just becasue you can? And dont really give a **** about other peoples opinions.
Fair enough you pay as well you can do what you like! Another thing I find a problem is that when you go around killing and podding its no big deal to you. Your a Pirate its what you do right? But this is why there are carebears its one thing to attack some 500000000000 mill isk player who doesnt really give a **** if they lose a ship
But when you kill noobs who have spent 7 weeks training skills and collecting a little isk and finnaly buy there slightly better noob ship, You kill the game and there fun for them when you scrap metal it and pod them! Or even like me I come back to a game after being out for 9 months and lose all the implants that took me ages and months of real life days to get!
Now I know I was being an idiot and just wasnt thinking so I pretty much deserved it but when that happens and you are back to square one again its frustrating and annoying! 
I hate all these threads attacking Care Bear types because Its a game but also its ment to be fun for all not just a group of elite or just plain nasty people!
When me or that noob loses that ship? Implants? Equipment? They simply cant replace it so they have worked at becoming something for what? They are paying for a game they cant even go exploring totally because they will lose all the work they have put into said game!
I dont know what the solution is just giving a point of view and yes of course I know there are counter arguments about to hit this Thread but I just want to know if its fun for everyone or not?
Personaly I tried to take a lighter picture after calming down and thought well I like pirates being here and Its kinda fun sometimes to have to work your way up the ladder again! But for how long will it remain fun for people like me and Im sure there are a few out there?
A lot of people using the forums are elite or been playing a while so I wont really get a very good response me thinks but it would be intresting to get the views of a lot of non-elite or new players
If anyone has idea's then post em here! (Now Im really asking for trouble lol)
By the way has anyone else noticed its really hard if your say starting with no cash to make decent money now? Turning into the real world almost the rich stay rich and the poor get poorer.
Anyway kind regards
GavTheMighty
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:24:00 -
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Ok I have had a long think about this so here goes:
I like having pirates in the game it adds depth and risk and makes life more fun!
But at the same time Im a total CareBear why? I shall tell you:
Its one of those loop problems a catch 22........I want there to be pirates coz they are fun but at the same time I cant stand malicous Gloating scum that kill and pod just for fun
Reasons: Well you see I know you cant have your pie and eat it but Im paying for this game too and I would like to be able to actually have a look around for a change you know:
Fly into 0.0 and just check out the planets see new things Npc rats that are plain scary and find hidden bases etc etc I mean it would actually be nice just to be able to see the bigger picture for a change rather than hiding like the feeble little carebear that I am in 0.5 sec or above!
See there are almost too many people playing now and too many pirates! Used to be only a handfull of you scary nasty scum now there are 1000's
we used to be able to get away with running into 0.0 and looking around now its almost certain death! I know you guys are just doing your jobs but hey man I want to see what you get to look at as well!
Now you have to try and join a corp thats strong enough to hold a small section of 0.0 and thats a little sad for the single people or players that just want to be able to explore a game they are paying for as well.
I like this game I like even the pirate scum but Its all getting a bit much now? Of course there are som many Real life scum playing this game too and thats even more scary (they are the ones about to Flame me to death for this post because they spend there whole day looking for posts to attack!) I think its a look how clever and insulting I can be thing? Could be wrong though
The other thing Is I understand that some of you pirates are finding it hard to earn a living! Or as some of you have said before you kill and pod just becasue you can? And dont really give a **** about other peoples opinions.
Fair enough you pay as well you can do what you like! Another thing I find a problem is that when you go around killing and podding its no big deal to you. Your a Pirate its what you do right? But this is why there are carebears its one thing to attack some 500000000000 mill isk player who doesnt really give a **** if they lose a ship
But when you kill noobs who have spent 7 weeks training skills and collecting a little isk and finnaly buy there slightly better noob ship, You kill the game and there fun for them when you scrap metal it and pod them! Or even like me I come back to a game after being out for 9 months and lose all the implants that took me ages and months of real life days to get!
Now I know I was being an idiot and just wasnt thinking so I pretty much deserved it but when that happens and you are back to square one again its frustrating and annoying!
I hate all these threads attacking Care Bear types because Its a game but also its ment to be fun for all not just a group of elite or just plain nasty people!
When me or that noob loses that ship? Implants? Equipment? They simply cant replace it so they have worked at becoming something for what? They are paying for a game they cant even go exploring totally because they will lose all the work they have put into said game!
I dont know what the solution is just giving a point of view and yes of course I know there are counter arguments about to hit this Thread but I just want to know if its fun for everyone or not?
Personaly I tried to take a lighter picture after calming down and thought well I like pirates being here and Its kinda fun sometimes to have to work your way up the ladder again! But for how long will it remain fun for people like me and Im sure there are a few out there?
A lot of people using the forums are elite or been playing a while so I wont really get a very good response me thinks but it would be intresting to get the views of a lot of non-elite or new players
If anyone has idea's then post em here! (Now Im really asking for trouble lol)
By the way has anyone else noticed its really hard if your say starting with no cash to make decent money now? Turning into the real world almost the rich stay rich and the poor get poorer.
Anyway kind regards
GavTheMighty
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Xadian
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Xadian on 20/07/2004 17:33:50
Now, when you say "I can't get into 0.0 cause I'll get ganked." it's most of the time not pirates, but alliances, who do the ganking. 
Oh, and if you do want into 0.0, grab a frig with MWDs, they can't stop you from reaching gates.
But as to all the cool stuff in 0.0...there's really not a whole lot more than in empire. In fact, most of the really really cool sights are in empire, not 0.0.
Oh, and most of the people we kill aren't noobs, because most noobs have the brains to stay out of .4> until they can defend themselves.
Always hit the big red button whenever you get the chance.
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Xadian
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Xadian on 20/07/2004 17:33:50
Now, when you say "I can't get into 0.0 cause I'll get ganked." it's most of the time not pirates, but alliances, who do the ganking.
Oh, and if you do want into 0.0, grab a frig with MWDs, they can't stop you from reaching gates.
But as to all the cool stuff in 0.0...there's really not a whole lot more than in empire. In fact, most of the really really cool sights are in empire, not 0.0.
Oh, and most of the people we kill aren't noobs, because most noobs have the brains to stay out of .4> until they can defend themselves.
Always hit the big red button whenever you get the chance.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:35:00 -
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"They" arent pirats anymore!
"They" are Settlers of 0.0
"They" based em selfs in there and made living
now "they" are startting to make goverments and stuff in there
"They" are startting to resemble thous who made U.S.A
and also "they" ackt like goverment of U.S.A
So u cant anymore call em pirats, cause "they" claimed that space and now they are guarding that what "they" had claimed!
untill it will be grantted to them by Mighty CCP, and we will get player owned factions and stuff
and ill get to build Statue of liberty in serpentis prime, and pentagon somewere else
The pirats had mowed back to 0.4 and some not so lucritive areas of 0.0 were "they" got no intrest...
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:35:00 -
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"They" arent pirats anymore!
"They" are Settlers of 0.0
"They" based em selfs in there and made living
now "they" are startting to make goverments and stuff in there
"They" are startting to resemble thous who made U.S.A
and also "they" ackt like goverment of U.S.A
So u cant anymore call em pirats, cause "they" claimed that space and now they are guarding that what "they" had claimed!
untill it will be grantted to them by Mighty CCP, and we will get player owned factions and stuff
and ill get to build Statue of liberty in serpentis prime, and pentagon somewere else
The pirats had mowed back to 0.4 and some not so lucritive areas of 0.0 were "they" got no intrest...
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Burzon
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:38:00 -
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Well said Gav, i agree to what you are saying and i think what makes the difference is that you are arguing in a non flaming and mature way. One idea would be to introduce PvP selction corridors as in Anarchy Online, e.g. you only are able to PvP with people that are around your experience, ut i doubt that this system is transportable to EVE.
Just my 2 Cents
Burzon
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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Burzon
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:38:00 -
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Well said Gav, i agree to what you are saying and i think what makes the difference is that you are arguing in a non flaming and mature way. One idea would be to introduce PvP selction corridors as in Anarchy Online, e.g. you only are able to PvP with people that are around your experience, ut i doubt that this system is transportable to EVE.
Just my 2 Cents
Burzon
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: GavTheMighty on 20/07/2004 17:47:25
Edited by: GavTheMighty on 20/07/2004 17:46:34
Your quite right to a certain extent but these alliances are pretty much just more pirates as far as Im concerned If they kill you for trying to look around or pass through there area
But hey thats a matter of opinion though.
And I hear what your saying even if 0.0 Isnt all that exciting it would be nice to be able to have the choice though? Or to fight some NPC Pirates above a certain level for a change? You cant really take on a lot of 0.0 NPC pirates in a superspeed frig which even then is not saying you will make it alive! Past the Players Pirates.
Like I said Im not here to promote CareBear society (even if it does sound like this) Im just trying to see if we can make it a fun game with freedom to all game? There will probably be a few............"If you dont like it leave" posts to this
You could have something like a little Section of 0,0 Space added that anyone can go running around and have seriously deadly sentry guns just on the stations and Gates so that it would make it more of a........You die if your dumb or are trying to raid the nice ore kinda thing. Just one smallish area so people could at least get a feel for the rest of the game they are now cut off from and where they could go to take on some nasty NPC's It will still keep the noobs from killing NPC Big baddy coz they simply wont be able to take them on unless in numbers which could be a fun thing in itself?
Anyway just a little Idea Im sure Im gonna be told how dumb and stupid that idea is!
But just remember Im simply throwing something into the air the finer points would be developed by others not me.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: GavTheMighty on 20/07/2004 17:47:25
Edited by: GavTheMighty on 20/07/2004 17:46:34
Your quite right to a certain extent but these alliances are pretty much just more pirates as far as Im concerned If they kill you for trying to look around or pass through there area
But hey thats a matter of opinion though.
And I hear what your saying even if 0.0 Isnt all that exciting it would be nice to be able to have the choice though? Or to fight some NPC Pirates above a certain level for a change? You cant really take on a lot of 0.0 NPC pirates in a superspeed frig which even then is not saying you will make it alive! Past the Players Pirates.
Like I said Im not here to promote CareBear society (even if it does sound like this) Im just trying to see if we can make it a fun game with freedom to all game? There will probably be a few............"If you dont like it leave" posts to this
You could have something like a little Section of 0,0 Space added that anyone can go running around and have seriously deadly sentry guns just on the stations and Gates so that it would make it more of a........You die if your dumb or are trying to raid the nice ore kinda thing. Just one smallish area so people could at least get a feel for the rest of the game they are now cut off from and where they could go to take on some nasty NPC's It will still keep the noobs from killing NPC Big baddy coz they simply wont be able to take them on unless in numbers which could be a fun thing in itself?
Anyway just a little Idea Im sure Im gonna be told how dumb and stupid that idea is!
But just remember Im simply throwing something into the air the finer points would be developed by others not me.
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Draximus Prime
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:08:00 -
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Hmm...
Redi, what do you think???
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Draximus Prime
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:08:00 -
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Hmm...
Redi, what do you think???
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:08:00 -
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I know boonaki is trying / is seeting up some frigate/cruiser and BS ladder style tournaments. I know why too. There isn't enough PvP for the people such as yourself.
I have to imagine while although you are broke you'd love to gear out a frigate or cruiser and give it a couple rounds with some guys you've met in local.
That's why, above all else I think CCP should focus on creating an arena. A place in empire space where people can go and sign-up for some PvP. Use a checklist style page that sets the boundries for the combat like no podding or ecm or whatever. Winner takes all and have a betting interface as well.
The idea is to be able to get these guys solo mining in .5 with indies a chance to experience PvP without the need to become a pirate or join an alliance or take a security hit having a sanctioned "rumble" within empire space.
All civilizations have had or have organized fighting. I think it's time to bring this facet into eve.
One of the biggest boons of DAOC was adding a level controlled battleground. This gave a chance for newish players to experience what the game is all about, PvP / RvR (realm vs realm).
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:08:00 -
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I know boonaki is trying / is seeting up some frigate/cruiser and BS ladder style tournaments. I know why too. There isn't enough PvP for the people such as yourself.
I have to imagine while although you are broke you'd love to gear out a frigate or cruiser and give it a couple rounds with some guys you've met in local.
That's why, above all else I think CCP should focus on creating an arena. A place in empire space where people can go and sign-up for some PvP. Use a checklist style page that sets the boundries for the combat like no podding or ecm or whatever. Winner takes all and have a betting interface as well.
The idea is to be able to get these guys solo mining in .5 with indies a chance to experience PvP without the need to become a pirate or join an alliance or take a security hit having a sanctioned "rumble" within empire space.
All civilizations have had or have organized fighting. I think it's time to bring this facet into eve.
One of the biggest boons of DAOC was adding a level controlled battleground. This gave a chance for newish players to experience what the game is all about, PvP / RvR (realm vs realm).
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redi
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Draximus Prime
Hmm...
Redi, what do you think???
sucks
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redi
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Draximus Prime
Hmm...
Redi, what do you think???
sucks
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Feaux Tomai
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:15:00 -
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Try and imagine EVE without any risk.
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Feaux Tomai
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:15:00 -
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Try and imagine EVE without any risk.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: redi
Originally by: Draximus Prime
Hmm...
Redi, what do you think???
sucks
Oh goody the kiddies have come out to play early
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: redi
Originally by: Draximus Prime
Hmm...
Redi, what do you think???
sucks
Oh goody the kiddies have come out to play early
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Lord banks
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:19:00 -
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Quote
Fly into 0.0 and just check out the planets see
new things Npc rats that are plain scary and find hidden bases etc etc Quote
Well come down to r3 and i will show u around
* if u r still a live when i drag you in to my cargo hold *
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Lord banks
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:19:00 -
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Quote
Fly into 0.0 and just check out the planets see
new things Npc rats that are plain scary and find hidden bases etc etc Quote
Well come down to r3 and i will show u around
* if u r still a live when i drag you in to my cargo hold *
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Feaux Tomai
Try and imagine EVE without any risk.
We are not talking about no risk we are talking about the oppertunity for all players to be able to explore the game in all aspects and not being cut off because of the elite or alliances etc etc.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Feaux Tomai
Try and imagine EVE without any risk.
We are not talking about no risk we are talking about the oppertunity for all players to be able to explore the game in all aspects and not being cut off because of the elite or alliances etc etc.
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Korben Allahn
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:21:00 -
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The problem here is not the pirates. It's the fact that what was once a largely unexplored game a few months ago now has a much larger population. Now, most of 0.0 has been explored and claimed, much like the American expansion into the West. What we need is for Shiva to give us more systems. a little over 2000, apparently, isn't quite enough.
I keep a teddy bear in my pod with me. A teddy bear with sharp teeth, massive claws, and a pinache for eating the flesh of podded corpses. I call him "Fuzzy". |
Korben Allahn
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:21:00 -
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The problem here is not the pirates. It's the fact that what was once a largely unexplored game a few months ago now has a much larger population. Now, most of 0.0 has been explored and claimed, much like the American expansion into the West. What we need is for Shiva to give us more systems. a little over 2000, apparently, isn't quite enough.
I keep a teddy bear in my pod with me. A teddy bear with sharp teeth, massive claws, and a pinache for eating the flesh of podded corpses. I call him "Fuzzy". |
Xadian
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: GavTheMighty
Originally by: Feaux Tomai
Try and imagine EVE without any risk.
We are not talking about no risk we are talking about the oppertunity for all players to be able to explore the game in all aspects and not being cut off because of the elite or alliances etc etc.
You are in no way cut off from 0.0. All you gotta do is just grab a fast little ship, and have enough guts to just run right though PF-346 or whereever you wanna go. If you're alone most of the time they won't send a fleet on you, as it's not worth the trouble, so just sneak down into deep 0.0 and explore all you want.
Always hit the big red button whenever you get the chance.
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Xadian
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: GavTheMighty
Originally by: Feaux Tomai
Try and imagine EVE without any risk.
We are not talking about no risk we are talking about the oppertunity for all players to be able to explore the game in all aspects and not being cut off because of the elite or alliances etc etc.
You are in no way cut off from 0.0. All you gotta do is just grab a fast little ship, and have enough guts to just run right though PF-346 or whereever you wanna go. If you're alone most of the time they won't send a fleet on you, as it's not worth the trouble, so just sneak down into deep 0.0 and explore all you want.
Always hit the big red button whenever you get the chance.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: GavTheMighty on 20/07/2004 18:34:15
I was going 600 ms in a merlin got ganked instantly
Some people dont have the skills for MWD or to use them for more than 2 sec's remember that!
This isnt about me I got to explore a little at least when the game was fairly newish Im thinking about all the new or fairly new players that are in the game now!
Or non-Stupidly rich or powerfull or elite or experienced players there are a lot of them but also a lot that are not them! Im trying to look at the bigger picture here!
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: GavTheMighty on 20/07/2004 18:34:15
I was going 600 ms in a merlin got ganked instantly
Some people dont have the skills for MWD or to use them for more than 2 sec's remember that!
This isnt about me I got to explore a little at least when the game was fairly newish Im thinking about all the new or fairly new players that are in the game now!
Or non-Stupidly rich or powerfull or elite or experienced players there are a lot of them but also a lot that are not them! Im trying to look at the bigger picture here!
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:37:00 -
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Should I start complaining? With my security rating I can't enter empire space at all, I would be instaganked by uber Concord. You just lack the skills to enter 0.0 :)
Nobody can enjoy 100% of the game, but except for pirates most have the option to do it.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:37:00 -
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Should I start complaining? With my security rating I can't enter empire space at all, I would be instaganked by uber Concord. You just lack the skills to enter 0.0 :)
Nobody can enjoy 100% of the game, but except for pirates most have the option to do it.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Cruz on 20/07/2004 18:40:52
Querious region is free space, go explore there, also if you want to go check out 0.0 hook up a dual MWDed Vigil, you can travel 200km in 10 seconds
Plus a dual MWDed Vigil can last long enough to get the hell awway from anyone... its helped me run through SA blockades many many times
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Cruz on 20/07/2004 18:40:52
Querious region is free space, go explore there, also if you want to go check out 0.0 hook up a dual MWDed Vigil, you can travel 200km in 10 seconds
Plus a dual MWDed Vigil can last long enough to get the hell awway from anyone... its helped me run through SA blockades many many times
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: XpoHoc
Should I start complaining? With my security rating I can't enter empire space at all, I would be instaganked by uber Concord. You just lack the skills to enter 0.0 :)
Nobody can enjoy 100% of the game, but except for pirates most have the option to do it.
I think you make a good point! But really when your job is based upon killing and maiming other peoples characters that they also spend time advancing then I feel thats a fair enough restriction on you but for the harmless we dont want to PvP or just plain noobish characters they deserve in my mind to be able to explore the game to the full! And you could always turn away from the darkside! And join the carebears annual Picnic.
I myself love the PvP aspect and want more more more! But its not really about PvP anymore its usually Player v 10 Players 
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: XpoHoc
Should I start complaining? With my security rating I can't enter empire space at all, I would be instaganked by uber Concord. You just lack the skills to enter 0.0 :)
Nobody can enjoy 100% of the game, but except for pirates most have the option to do it.
I think you make a good point! But really when your job is based upon killing and maiming other peoples characters that they also spend time advancing then I feel thats a fair enough restriction on you but for the harmless we dont want to PvP or just plain noobish characters they deserve in my mind to be able to explore the game to the full! And you could always turn away from the darkside! And join the carebears annual Picnic.
I myself love the PvP aspect and want more more more! But its not really about PvP anymore its usually Player v 10 Players
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:50:00 -
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Gav,
Here's how you explore 0.0:
Login to the game and on one of the empty slots choose create new char.
Select a race/class combo that gives good navigation. Brutor military school is a good one.
Logon on new char and go to the mouth of the system you are interested. Find the nearest cloning station and dock, move your clone there.
Buy a shuttle off the local market and go pick it up.
Most camping situations are only at one gate not both. So look at your people in space and get an idea where the blockades are.
Jumping into a system in a shuttle is fairly risk free. Jump in and if no one at that gate you must assume they are at the other gate. Warp to a moon or something and bring up f11 map.
Look for objects near the next gate. Warp to one of them. Bring up range scanner you should see if people are camping. You may have to talk to them about a toll or if you are lucky and there are objects on both sides of this gate.
If you are lucky then warp to one object first, warp to the gate at 60k and quickly add a bookmark and warp away before they can scramble you. Now go to the object that is directly on the other side of the gate and warp to your new BM 60k away. Should put you damn close to the gate usually enough to make a run.
Even if you fail what's the loss? 10k for shuttle? Cheaper if someone is offloading them.
That and you can always wait certain blockades out. Eventually there will just 1-2 people at that gate or none and you sneak through. Once past choke points 0.0 is actually quite peaceful.
Anyway there are always options as the game stands now to do whatever it is you want to do.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:50:00 -
[38]
Gav,
Here's how you explore 0.0:
Login to the game and on one of the empty slots choose create new char.
Select a race/class combo that gives good navigation. Brutor military school is a good one.
Logon on new char and go to the mouth of the system you are interested. Find the nearest cloning station and dock, move your clone there.
Buy a shuttle off the local market and go pick it up.
Most camping situations are only at one gate not both. So look at your people in space and get an idea where the blockades are.
Jumping into a system in a shuttle is fairly risk free. Jump in and if no one at that gate you must assume they are at the other gate. Warp to a moon or something and bring up f11 map.
Look for objects near the next gate. Warp to one of them. Bring up range scanner you should see if people are camping. You may have to talk to them about a toll or if you are lucky and there are objects on both sides of this gate.
If you are lucky then warp to one object first, warp to the gate at 60k and quickly add a bookmark and warp away before they can scramble you. Now go to the object that is directly on the other side of the gate and warp to your new BM 60k away. Should put you damn close to the gate usually enough to make a run.
Even if you fail what's the loss? 10k for shuttle? Cheaper if someone is offloading them.
That and you can always wait certain blockades out. Eventually there will just 1-2 people at that gate or none and you sneak through. Once past choke points 0.0 is actually quite peaceful.
Anyway there are always options as the game stands now to do whatever it is you want to do.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:53:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Hematic
Gav,
Here's how you explore 0.0:
Login to the game and on one of the empty slots choose create new char.
Select a race/class combo that gives good navigation. Brutor military school is a good one.
Logon on new char and go to the mouth of the system you are interested. Find the nearest cloning station and dock, move your clone there.
Buy a shuttle off the local market and go pick it up.
Most camping situations are only at one gate not both. So look at your people in space and get an idea where the blockades are.
Jumping into a system in a shuttle is fairly risk free. Jump in and if no one at that gate you must assume they are at the other gate. Warp to a moon or something and bring up f11 map.
Look for objects near the next gate. Warp to one of them. Bring up range scanner you should see if people are camping. You may have to talk to them about a toll or if you are lucky and there are objects on both sides of this gate.
If you are lucky then warp to one object first, warp to the gate at 60k and quickly add a bookmark and warp away before they can scramble you. Now go to the object that is directly on the other side of the gate and warp to your new BM 60k away. Should put you damn close to the gate usually enough to make a run.
Even if you fail what's the loss? 10k for shuttle? Cheaper if someone is offloading them.
That and you can always wait certain blockades out. Eventually there will just 1-2 people at that gate or none and you sneak through. Once past choke points 0.0 is actually quite peaceful.
Anyway there are always options as the game stands now to do whatever it is you want to do.
Very good point and thanks for the advice but one thing what about players wanting to take on some NPC pirates for a change in 0.0? Try that in a shuttle and tell me how it goes?
But still its good to see there are some options at least
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 18:53:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Hematic
Gav,
Here's how you explore 0.0:
Login to the game and on one of the empty slots choose create new char.
Select a race/class combo that gives good navigation. Brutor military school is a good one.
Logon on new char and go to the mouth of the system you are interested. Find the nearest cloning station and dock, move your clone there.
Buy a shuttle off the local market and go pick it up.
Most camping situations are only at one gate not both. So look at your people in space and get an idea where the blockades are.
Jumping into a system in a shuttle is fairly risk free. Jump in and if no one at that gate you must assume they are at the other gate. Warp to a moon or something and bring up f11 map.
Look for objects near the next gate. Warp to one of them. Bring up range scanner you should see if people are camping. You may have to talk to them about a toll or if you are lucky and there are objects on both sides of this gate.
If you are lucky then warp to one object first, warp to the gate at 60k and quickly add a bookmark and warp away before they can scramble you. Now go to the object that is directly on the other side of the gate and warp to your new BM 60k away. Should put you damn close to the gate usually enough to make a run.
Even if you fail what's the loss? 10k for shuttle? Cheaper if someone is offloading them.
That and you can always wait certain blockades out. Eventually there will just 1-2 people at that gate or none and you sneak through. Once past choke points 0.0 is actually quite peaceful.
Anyway there are always options as the game stands now to do whatever it is you want to do.
Very good point and thanks for the advice but one thing what about players wanting to take on some NPC pirates for a change in 0.0? Try that in a shuttle and tell me how it goes?
But still its good to see there are some options at least
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Feaux Tomai
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Posted - 2004.07.20 19:01:00 -
[41]
I hear FA has a pass you can buy to go hunting.
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Feaux Tomai
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Posted - 2004.07.20 19:01:00 -
[42]
I hear FA has a pass you can buy to go hunting.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.20 19:30:00 -
[43]
Gav,
No you won't be taking on any NPC pirates out there in a shuttle.
While although I recommend two pilots minimum for hunting un-authorized in alliance controlled spaces. Here's how you do it:
As we discussed about the the throw away shuttle pilot. Use him to scout out a place to hunt. Create travelling bookmarks to this new location. Off of main routes is ideal.
Travelling bookmarks are also reffered to as insta-bookmarks. To create one you simply warp to the intended gate from your intended starting point (usually another jump-in point near a gate). Double click just above or below the gate and lock the gate. Once you have reached 7k from the gate (on the other side) and the gate is directly between you and the distant starting point add a bookmark. Name it appropriately.
Most alliance members, pirates and fellow travellers have these already created in their area of influence and can lend chase quite effectively so keep that in mind.
Create a decent safe-spot bookmark within the system you intend to hunt.
Go back to where your main is logged, find a way to xfer the bookmarks via secure can outside station is probably not bad.
On your main get into an indy. Put on some warp core stabilizers and anything else that can add a few hit points. I would recommend a minimum of two WCS. if not four. Buy two giant secure containers (most indy pilots can fit two) If not, a combo of huge/large/ginats to fill your capacity.
When tarffic is low or non-existant at the choke points make your run using you bookmarks. Anchor the cans in the safe spot (make sure you anchor them!!!) There is a bug where somtimes when you launch for corp they show as anchored. They are not. Un-anchor and re-anchor to be sure.
Now you have two options here. Either leave the indy here or take it back. If you plan on making multiple trips leaving it here isn't so bad. In fact if you are so inclined use an alt to fly the indy and only train him enough to fly an indy (you wont lose implants or much money in clones if he does get caught).
Now bring your main in to the area. If you are hunting alone the do your research:
Do max range scans from the different belts. What other objects come up? Are there any belts within range of the stargates? How many total belts in the system? You have to know how long it would take someone to track you down if they came in and decided to try and get you.
Don't ever hunt in 0.0 without drones or some way to kill elite frigates. Smartboms are not absolute there are frigates who orbit outside of 5k.
As you collect loot fill up the secure containers and when full make a run back with the indy alt.
Again I don't really like hunting solo in 0.0 just in case. But it too can be done. A friend in an ECM equipped scorpion just makes you feel warm and cuddly somehow.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.20 19:30:00 -
[44]
Gav,
No you won't be taking on any NPC pirates out there in a shuttle.
While although I recommend two pilots minimum for hunting un-authorized in alliance controlled spaces. Here's how you do it:
As we discussed about the the throw away shuttle pilot. Use him to scout out a place to hunt. Create travelling bookmarks to this new location. Off of main routes is ideal.
Travelling bookmarks are also reffered to as insta-bookmarks. To create one you simply warp to the intended gate from your intended starting point (usually another jump-in point near a gate). Double click just above or below the gate and lock the gate. Once you have reached 7k from the gate (on the other side) and the gate is directly between you and the distant starting point add a bookmark. Name it appropriately.
Most alliance members, pirates and fellow travellers have these already created in their area of influence and can lend chase quite effectively so keep that in mind.
Create a decent safe-spot bookmark within the system you intend to hunt.
Go back to where your main is logged, find a way to xfer the bookmarks via secure can outside station is probably not bad.
On your main get into an indy. Put on some warp core stabilizers and anything else that can add a few hit points. I would recommend a minimum of two WCS. if not four. Buy two giant secure containers (most indy pilots can fit two) If not, a combo of huge/large/ginats to fill your capacity.
When tarffic is low or non-existant at the choke points make your run using you bookmarks. Anchor the cans in the safe spot (make sure you anchor them!!!) There is a bug where somtimes when you launch for corp they show as anchored. They are not. Un-anchor and re-anchor to be sure.
Now you have two options here. Either leave the indy here or take it back. If you plan on making multiple trips leaving it here isn't so bad. In fact if you are so inclined use an alt to fly the indy and only train him enough to fly an indy (you wont lose implants or much money in clones if he does get caught).
Now bring your main in to the area. If you are hunting alone the do your research:
Do max range scans from the different belts. What other objects come up? Are there any belts within range of the stargates? How many total belts in the system? You have to know how long it would take someone to track you down if they came in and decided to try and get you.
Don't ever hunt in 0.0 without drones or some way to kill elite frigates. Smartboms are not absolute there are frigates who orbit outside of 5k.
As you collect loot fill up the secure containers and when full make a run back with the indy alt.
Again I don't really like hunting solo in 0.0 just in case. But it too can be done. A friend in an ECM equipped scorpion just makes you feel warm and cuddly somehow.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 20:00:00 -
[45]
Nice post matey thanks for that I think it should be under New players as well
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.07.20 20:00:00 -
[46]
Nice post matey thanks for that I think it should be under New players as well
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W1rlW1nd
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Posted - 2004.07.20 22:06:00 -
[47]
Originally by: GavTheMighty
...thanks for the advice but one thing what about players wanting to take on some NPC pirates for a change in 0.0? Try that in a shuttle and tell me how it goes?
any player that can solo 0.0 npc battleships has enough skills to easily get past the player pirates in 0.0 so i don't think that is really an issue.
if all you want to do is explore- then 0.0 is easy to fly around in and fun because of the danger to a solo player. with moderate skills you can get past most campers (mwd). if you are so new that you do not have these skills then you would be able to hunt npc in 0.0 anyway.
a new player should probably not be venturing into most dangerous space right away. best to be skilling up while exploring the lower sec of empire space and preparing for more dangerous space later. then as soon as you get moderates skills you should be able to go 2,000m/s or faster, so you can easily get into 0.0 to explore by yourself.
i imagine many folks try 0.0 too early and get killed , then are afraid to try again as if it were impossible to get through- which is not true. it is largely a matter of perception for a lot of folks. but certainly don't attempt to run a gatecamp if you have low skills and fly slowly as you described, that would indeed be suicide;)
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W1rlW1nd
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Posted - 2004.07.20 22:06:00 -
[48]
Originally by: GavTheMighty
...thanks for the advice but one thing what about players wanting to take on some NPC pirates for a change in 0.0? Try that in a shuttle and tell me how it goes?
any player that can solo 0.0 npc battleships has enough skills to easily get past the player pirates in 0.0 so i don't think that is really an issue.
if all you want to do is explore- then 0.0 is easy to fly around in and fun because of the danger to a solo player. with moderate skills you can get past most campers (mwd). if you are so new that you do not have these skills then you would be able to hunt npc in 0.0 anyway.
a new player should probably not be venturing into most dangerous space right away. best to be skilling up while exploring the lower sec of empire space and preparing for more dangerous space later. then as soon as you get moderates skills you should be able to go 2,000m/s or faster, so you can easily get into 0.0 to explore by yourself.
i imagine many folks try 0.0 too early and get killed , then are afraid to try again as if it were impossible to get through- which is not true. it is largely a matter of perception for a lot of folks. but certainly don't attempt to run a gatecamp if you have low skills and fly slowly as you described, that would indeed be suicide;)
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Pa1nbringr
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Posted - 2004.07.20 23:53:00 -
[49]
we keep the market in check
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Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out
Pa1nbringr > sick
Fedaykin Naib > lol
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Pa1nbringr
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Posted - 2004.07.20 23:53:00 -
[50]
we keep the market in check
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Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out
Pa1nbringr > sick
Fedaykin Naib > lol
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Mac Knife
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Posted - 2004.07.21 00:16:00 -
[51]
Originally by: GavTheMighty
Very good point and thanks for the advice but one thing what about players wanting to take on some NPC pirates for a change in 0.0? Try that in a shuttle and tell me how it goes? [:lol:
But still its good to see there are some options at least
Gav m8 there r many systems that i think are meant for people who want to fight larger npc rats,try Kpb7 or Ec-p8r,whenever i go there i find battleship rat spawns,sometimes even 2-3 in a belt,though when i go further into the 0.0's i on't find any until really far in,it might just be me though :)
imho try a few systems 1-2jumps in if u want the rats
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Mac Knife
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Posted - 2004.07.21 00:16:00 -
[52]
Originally by: GavTheMighty
Very good point and thanks for the advice but one thing what about players wanting to take on some NPC pirates for a change in 0.0? Try that in a shuttle and tell me how it goes? [:lol:
But still its good to see there are some options at least
Gav m8 there r many systems that i think are meant for people who want to fight larger npc rats,try Kpb7 or Ec-p8r,whenever i go there i find battleship rat spawns,sometimes even 2-3 in a belt,though when i go further into the 0.0's i on't find any until really far in,it might just be me though :)
imho try a few systems 1-2jumps in if u want the rats
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Ja'kar
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Posted - 2004.07.21 13:18:00 -
[53]
I hear ur points, but what of us players who have played for a long time, donĘt we deserve space that is dangerous and not forgetting when I brought eve it was meant to be a hardcore fighting game. So ok u noobs have ur space, but leave ours alone. ItĘs bad enough that a frig can lock down a BS or that drones which are meant to be small fast guns (me thinks) have trouble targeting u, not to mention all the gun nerfĘs auto cloaking at gates etc, now u want to hunt is 0.0 space with no dangerą come on be fair! U want to come into 0.0 train, insure, clone and pray like the rest of usąI was in 0.0 within weeks of playing eve and almost got killed by pirates, it was part of the funą
Good post, but u have it easy enoughą
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Ja'kar
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Posted - 2004.07.21 13:18:00 -
[54]
I hear ur points, but what of us players who have played for a long time, donĘt we deserve space that is dangerous and not forgetting when I brought eve it was meant to be a hardcore fighting game. So ok u noobs have ur space, but leave ours alone. ItĘs bad enough that a frig can lock down a BS or that drones which are meant to be small fast guns (me thinks) have trouble targeting u, not to mention all the gun nerfĘs auto cloaking at gates etc, now u want to hunt is 0.0 space with no dangerą come on be fair! U want to come into 0.0 train, insure, clone and pray like the rest of usąI was in 0.0 within weeks of playing eve and almost got killed by pirates, it was part of the funą
Good post, but u have it easy enoughą
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.07.21 16:05:00 -
[55]
I've sympathy with both sides of this argument, but there is one point I just have to question.
Some people have argued that they should be able to experience the whole of the game (i.e. explore anywhere) but in how many similar games is that possible ? Would you expect to be able to check out a dragon's lair during your first week in Everquest ? (for example) Eve is probably the most openly explorable mmog on the market atm.
Yes, I hate blockades too, and I'd much rather there were different reasons for 0.0 being dangerous, but if you have the skills and experience (or friends) you can get through.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.07.21 16:05:00 -
[56]
I've sympathy with both sides of this argument, but there is one point I just have to question.
Some people have argued that they should be able to experience the whole of the game (i.e. explore anywhere) but in how many similar games is that possible ? Would you expect to be able to check out a dragon's lair during your first week in Everquest ? (for example) Eve is probably the most openly explorable mmog on the market atm.
Yes, I hate blockades too, and I'd much rather there were different reasons for 0.0 being dangerous, but if you have the skills and experience (or friends) you can get through.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.07.21 16:24:00 -
[57]
Originally by: GavTheMighty
Originally by: XpoHoc
Should I start complaining? With my security rating I can't enter empire space at all, I would be instaganked by uber Concord. You just lack the skills to enter 0.0 :)
Nobody can enjoy 100% of the game, but except for pirates most have the option to do it.
I think you make a good point! But really when your job is based upon killing and maiming other peoples characters that they also spend time advancing then I feel thats a fair enough restriction on you but for the harmless we dont want to PvP or just plain noobish characters they deserve in my mind to be able to explore the game to the full! And you could always turn away from the darkside! And join the carebears annual Picnic.
I myself love the PvP aspect and want more more more! But its not really about PvP anymore its usually Player v 10 Players
I think 'noobish' character should not be able to explore the game to the full. No way, you should be able to explore it once you learn how to do it.
And no, I can't turn away from the darkside, you can't get your sec rating up to 0.0 without getting bored and leaving the game. That is why I say pirates are the only restricted player type in this game, you can always turn to a pirate but you can't turn back, screwed for the rest of your playing time.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.07.21 16:24:00 -
[58]
Originally by: GavTheMighty
Originally by: XpoHoc
Should I start complaining? With my security rating I can't enter empire space at all, I would be instaganked by uber Concord. You just lack the skills to enter 0.0 :)
Nobody can enjoy 100% of the game, but except for pirates most have the option to do it.
I think you make a good point! But really when your job is based upon killing and maiming other peoples characters that they also spend time advancing then I feel thats a fair enough restriction on you but for the harmless we dont want to PvP or just plain noobish characters they deserve in my mind to be able to explore the game to the full! And you could always turn away from the darkside! And join the carebears annual Picnic.
I myself love the PvP aspect and want more more more! But its not really about PvP anymore its usually Player v 10 Players
I think 'noobish' character should not be able to explore the game to the full. No way, you should be able to explore it once you learn how to do it.
And no, I can't turn away from the darkside, you can't get your sec rating up to 0.0 without getting bored and leaving the game. That is why I say pirates are the only restricted player type in this game, you can always turn to a pirate but you can't turn back, screwed for the rest of your playing time.
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.21 17:35:00 -
[59]
Being a pirate, or not, is all about who you choose to kill and how.
Sec status has little to do with it, poachers can become gamekeepers.
The lines are pretty blurred anyway given the pirate, anti-pirate thing is basically an unofficial war that rages constantly within the eve universe. And in war we all know most rules end up going out of the window at some point on the basis, "the end justifies the means" or some other self-serving statements.
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.21 17:35:00 -
[60]
Being a pirate, or not, is all about who you choose to kill and how.
Sec status has little to do with it, poachers can become gamekeepers.
The lines are pretty blurred anyway given the pirate, anti-pirate thing is basically an unofficial war that rages constantly within the eve universe. And in war we all know most rules end up going out of the window at some point on the basis, "the end justifies the means" or some other self-serving statements.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.21 17:48:00 -
[61]
You can't just walk into the most profitable AND dangerous areas in the game without putting in your time and/or paying the piper.
Quote:
Some people have argued that they should be able to experience the whole of the game (i.e. explore anywhere) but in how many similar games is that possible ? Would you expect to be able to check out a dragon's lair during your first week in Everquest ? (for example) Eve is probably the most openly explorable mmog on the market atm.
The problem these days is that everybody wants something on a silver platter (i.e. "I pay my money, so I should be able to do this and this.")
That's a BS attitude. You pay your taxes, does that mean you can go on an active service aircraft carrier when you feel like it? I doubt it.
Listen to Hematic. If you don't want your behind handed to you, spend a night or two making bookmarks with an alt and double and triple checking them.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.21 17:48:00 -
[62]
You can't just walk into the most profitable AND dangerous areas in the game without putting in your time and/or paying the piper.
Quote:
Some people have argued that they should be able to experience the whole of the game (i.e. explore anywhere) but in how many similar games is that possible ? Would you expect to be able to check out a dragon's lair during your first week in Everquest ? (for example) Eve is probably the most openly explorable mmog on the market atm.
The problem these days is that everybody wants something on a silver platter (i.e. "I pay my money, so I should be able to do this and this.")
That's a BS attitude. You pay your taxes, does that mean you can go on an active service aircraft carrier when you feel like it? I doubt it.
Listen to Hematic. If you don't want your behind handed to you, spend a night or two making bookmarks with an alt and double and triple checking them.
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Rakshasa
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Posted - 2004.07.21 18:37:00 -
[63]
Originally by: GavTheMighty
We are not talking about no risk we are talking about the oppertunity for all players to be able to explore the game in all aspects and not being cut off because of the elite or alliances etc etc.
If all you want to do is look at the planets in 0.0 space, buy a Covert Ops ship, and fly around cloaked.
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Rakshasa
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Posted - 2004.07.21 18:37:00 -
[64]
Originally by: GavTheMighty
We are not talking about no risk we are talking about the oppertunity for all players to be able to explore the game in all aspects and not being cut off because of the elite or alliances etc etc.
If all you want to do is look at the planets in 0.0 space, buy a Covert Ops ship, and fly around cloaked.
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