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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:27:00 -
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Is CCP trying to make Meta 0 mods more expensive than meta 1-4 mods? When they're worse?
Why?
Aranakas
CEO of-áGreen Anarchy
Green vs Green |
Velicitia
Open Designs
828
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:39:00 -
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because they're not.
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
301
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:44:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:because they're not.
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=1353
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=8261
Par example
Aranakas
CEO of-áGreen Anarchy
Green vs Green |
Velicitia
Open Designs
829
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:48:00 -
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they're not taking them out to make them more expensive. They're taking them out because gunmining has been completely ******* over the people who mine for a long time now.
edit -- bots too, but they've apparently been getting killed in droves recently as well |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
169
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:19:00 -
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Meta-0 drops from missions hardly affect the market at all. Most of it gets immediately processed by the mission runners into minerals which are much easier to sell. That's the reason why there are so few Meta-1 and Meta-2 on the market, and most often even below Meta-0 prices.
Only meta-3 and meta-4 go for decent prices on the market and the invention-business is a major reason why.
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Haulie Berry
14
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:31:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:Meta-0 drops from missions hardly affect the market at all. Most of it gets immediately processed by the mission runners into minerals which are much easier to sell.
Which is precisely why they are being removed from loot tables. |
Xuixien
Stoic Assembly Lines
Trade Federation Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:03:00 -
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By removing meta0 from drops, it allows people who mine and manufacture to actually experience something called a "profit margin".
As the cost of meta0 mods from manufacturing rises in response to this, then the costs of meta1-4 will increase accordingly.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
171
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:02:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Tobiaz wrote:Meta-0 drops from missions hardly affect the market at all. Most of it gets immediately processed by the mission runners into minerals which are much easier to sell. Which is precisely why they are being removed from loot tables.
Which is also why the argument 'to help T1 production' people keep parotting is complete bullocks.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
171
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:04:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:By removing meta0 from drops, it allows people who mine and manufacture to actually experience something called a "profit margin".
As the cost of meta0 mods from manufacturing rises in response to this, then the costs of meta1-4 will increase accordingly.
The profit margin on produced T1 is actually quite good already these days, especially on frigate and cruiser equipement.
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Xuixien
Stoic Assembly Lines
Trade Federation Alliance
21
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Posted - 2012.04.13 23:16:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:Xuixien wrote:By removing meta0 from drops, it allows people who mine and manufacture to actually experience something called a "profit margin".
As the cost of meta0 mods from manufacturing rises in response to this, then the costs of meta1-4 will increase accordingly. The profit margin on produced T1 is actually quite good already these days, especially on frigate and cruiser equipement.
Since you are the only person I have ever seen post a statement like that, I'm going to have to ask you for your reasoning behind it.
Stoic Assembly Lines is a herd of rabid storks looking for new and experienced players. We mine, build things, and shoot people. We are growing fast and preparing to open low-sec operations. PvP capable Indy/mission pilots inquire within. http://sto1c.blogspot.com/p/home.html |
Ersteen Hofs
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.04.14 05:14:00 -
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meta0 are worth exactly their build materials value.
now you can make some isk by building those items since t2 producers need them to manufacture t2 items. although they may build those things themselves, this overly complicates the process so I guess they'll prefer to pay some extra. but if you sell too high they'll just do it themselves.
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Tertharan
1
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Posted - 2012.04.15 04:09:00 -
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For meta 0 equipment, I can't see the price rising too much unless meta 1-3 prices go up. For a lot of items, like prop mods, meta 1-3 items are already cheaper than meta 0, so no one with any brains is using them for anything other than T2 production and reprocessing at the moment. Given that the people making T2 modules obviously already have BPOs for the items in question, if prices actually rose any appreciable amount they'd just start making what they need themselves.
However, I think we could see a spike in prices for meta 1-3 stuff because with less loot on every wreck, fewer people will bother collecting it. If enough people get fed up with the crappy loot, supply could drop substantially before prices rise high enough to make looting profitable again. If meta 1-3 prices rose high enough because of this, meta 0 could eventually be cheaper, and might rise in price as well. However, due to the length of time it will take for the market to stabilize after the inevitable spikes in mineral prices, and people's general stupidity with regards to T1 production in general, actual profitability for most T1 items isn't something I expect to see in the near future. |
Telchin Dai
TarNec
1
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:01:00 -
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I buy and reprocess Meta0 stuff at the moment, because, by and large it goes for WELL below the mineral value of the items.
I did a comparison on right click sell of mission meta 0 items, and reprocess, right click sell....in most cases the meta 0 reprocess made the sell price of the item on the Trit alone. |
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
69
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Posted - 2012.04.16 13:44:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Tobiaz wrote:Xuixien wrote:By removing meta0 from drops, it allows people who mine and manufacture to actually experience something called a "profit margin".
As the cost of meta0 mods from manufacturing rises in response to this, then the costs of meta1-4 will increase accordingly. The profit margin on produced T1 is actually quite good already these days, especially on frigate and cruiser equipement. Since you are the only person I have ever seen post a statement like that, I'm going to have to ask you for your reasoning behind it.
most likely his minerals are free :) |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
82
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:07:00 -
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meta 0 mods can be made from cheap NPC seeded BPO's they are not getting removed from game only removed from the loot tables as drops.
Meta 0 mods are some times more expensive than meta 1-2 mods not because of the stats(stats are always worse) but because they refine into more minerals. Anything meta 3 and below generally gets reprocessed into minerals so their price has nothing to do with stats but only with the minerals you get from reprocessing them.
Many null sec alliances produce meta 0 modules for nothing more than mineral compression. for example a 800mm meta 0 auto cannon takes up far less cargo space than the minerals you get from it after reprocessing. With a perfect researched BPO, perfect manufacturing skills, and perfect reprocessing skills there is almost 0 loss. I highly doubt the price of meta 0 mods will change noticeably once they are removed from loot tables.
In fact there may be a drop in the price of higher meta level modules as with meta 0 mods removed from loot tables there is a higher chance of the other dropping.
If you are going to speculate on the market you need to look at the items from all angles. |
Haulie Berry
16
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:34:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
In fact there may be a drop in the price of higher meta level modules as with meta 0 mods removed from loot tables there is a higher chance of the other dropping.
That's not necessarily true. They could just replace all of those positions in the loot tables with metal scraps. |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
42
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Posted - 2012.04.16 16:02:00 -
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Telchin Dai wrote:I buy and reprocess Meta0 stuff at the moment, because, by and large it goes for WELL below the mineral value of the items.
I did a comparison on right click sell of mission meta 0 items, and reprocess, right click sell....in most cases the meta 0 reprocess made the sell price of the item on the Trit alone.
Don-¦t forget your logistics. Your stuff is not buying itself from alone, you need to spend time reprocessing and eventually you need time to transport. This cost you isk, so you have to factor it into the price.
Haulie Berry wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
In fact there may be a drop in the price of higher meta level modules as with meta 0 mods removed from loot tables there is a higher chance of the other dropping.
That's not necessarily true. They could just replace all of those positions in the loot tables with metal scraps.
iirc that is what they are doing |
Gizan
Hounds Of War
WHY so Seri0Us
24
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:38:00 -
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so you linked 2 modules the differcne is FITTING ISSUES, the meta reactor controls use less cpu. |
Jorma Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:36:00 -
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So it'll be easier to get cheap meta 1-4 modules and your meta 0 ones will only come from manufacturing.
Also meta modules all reprocess into roughly half of the minerals that meta 0 did. |
Joran Dravius
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.17 12:15:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:Meta-0 drops from missions hardly affect the market at all. Most of it gets immediately processed by the mission runners into minerals which are much easier to sell.
And that's exactly why it screws miners. |
Tertharan
1
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Posted - 2012.04.17 17:39:00 -
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Jorma Amatin wrote:So it'll be easier to get cheap meta 1-4 modules and your meta 0 ones will only come from manufacturing.
Also meta modules all reprocess into roughly half of the minerals that meta 0 did.
I rather doubt that it'll be easier to get cheap meta 1-4 modules. As mentioned above, they're replacing the meta 0 mods with metal scraps, not just removing them, so the drop rate of meta 1-4 mods will remain the same. Add that to the fact that fewer people will bother with looting in general when the incentive is so much lower, and I think if anything there will be fewer available. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
872
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Posted - 2012.04.17 19:07:00 -
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One of the reasons that profit margins on meta-zero stuff (not ships) are so thin is that you can burn off thousands per week, but you can't sell them that fast. Most modules can be built at a rate of about 1600 T1 items/wk, which is a very high volume. T1 drones are built at a rate of about 7500/wk. Can't move those at that rate either.
Even without the meta-zero drops, it's still pretty easy to flood the market and drive prices down to just above mineral cost. |
Aurel Svenson
Cyclone Solutions
Twilight Military Industrial Complex Alliance
18
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Posted - 2012.04.17 23:12:00 -
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It's more than occasional someone tries to order meta0 mods from me only for me to tell them it's cheaper to buy in Jita from sell orders than make. Meta0 mods have functionality other mods do not, most notably their use in construction; they ought to sell for more than at least meta1 for this reason, as meta1 is rarely worth buying over other meta levels. |
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