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Kate Pole Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.28 21:34:00 - [1] I am sure there are other posts about this though I could not find any in my half assed attempt to find one; but to the point. They need changed, as are they are nothing more than carriers tht cant be jammed. One of my chars flys and nyx and thb I am really thinking of selling it, I never get to use it. OTher than a moible mini base its just a waste. So, does anyone know if they are "being looked at" by the devs, have they said anything about changes? A mini jump portal or built in gang bonus simular to but less than the Titians bonus.
NoNah	Posted - 2008.12.28 21:37:00 - [2] Or just threefold the price of carriers... omnomnom.... Parrots, commence! Postcount: 131410
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates	Posted - 2008.12.28 21:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Kate Pole I am sure there are other posts about this though I could not find any in my half assed attempt to find one; but to the point. They need changed, as are they are nothing more than carriers tht cant be jammed. One of my chars flys and nyx and thb I am really thinking of selling it, I never get to use it. OTher than a moible mini base its just a waste. So, does anyone know if they are "being looked at" by the devs, have they said anything about changes? A mini jump portal or built in gang bonus simular to but less than the Titians bonus. they cost 25+ bill and take almost a year to fly properly fly oh yeah and they cant dock, they are fine ya pansy
Commander Thrawn Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.28 21:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Kate Pole I am sure there are other posts about this though I could not find any in my half assed attempt to find one; but to the point. They need changed, as are they are nothing more than carriers tht cant be jammed. One of my chars flys and nyx and thb I am really thinking of selling it, I never get to use it. OTher than a moible mini base its just a waste. So, does anyone know if they are "being looked at" by the devs, have they said anything about changes? A mini jump portal or built in gang bonus simular to but less than the Titians bonus. they cost 25+ bill and take almost a year to fly properly fly oh yeah and they cant dock, they are fine ya pansy huh?
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.28 21:52:00 - [5] I think the bonuses should be modular, kinda like T3. You can rig for 3 of these: Open Jump Portals Operate jump clone bays Offer gang bonuses similar to titans Hostiles-on-Grid Penalty (perhaps opposite of above) Logistics bonus Able to use Remote ECCM Able to act as a cyno? (without beaconing) However, this is only part of fixing the problem.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.28 21:58:00 - [6] I asked at fanfest, and no, they had nothing in store for supercaps in the (near?) future. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Leon Mantis	Posted - 2008.12.28 22:38:00 - [7] actually... if im correct... Mother Ships can be jammed you'll have to use Heavy Interdictor Cruisers with Warp Disruption Field Generators fitted... don't know for sure tho
NoNah	Posted - 2008.12.28 22:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Leon Mantis actually... if im correct... Mother Ships can be jammed you'll have to use Heavy Interdictor Cruisers with Warp Disruption Field Generators fitted... don't know for sure tho Or an ECM-burst(Remote or local) But yes, you are correct. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 186950
Dark Soldat Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.12.28 23:03:00 - [9] Theyre just for e-peen... If you are reading the above post you are not very bright.I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star.
BiggestT Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.12.28 23:36:00 - [10] MS suffer the same problem as field commands. The motherships themselves are quite excellent, able to fit good tanks, wield many fighters to reign death on nubs and get that nice ewar immunity (not that that means much with hics, ecm burst etc..). This is the same for the field command ships, good tank, good dps, v. nice ships. The problem arises with competition, its all about cost. They have much cheaper counterparts that still get the job done ie. MS: carrier for pvp, rorq for jump clones etc, Field command: BC fills its role entirely (just not quite as nicely). I reckon reducing the cost of production may help, or giving them better roles, bonus's, buffs etc would also work (for both F-CS and MS). EVE history t2 precisions
Wideen Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2008.12.29 02:43:00 - [11] they * do more damage? * tank better? * resist EW better?
Xailz Godless Horizon.	Posted - 2008.12.29 03:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Wideen they * do more damage? * tank better? * resist EW better? 100% Damage bonus +1 Tank slot Immune to standard EW (Apart from Dictors/Hictors) for an extra price tag of about 13 billion isk? (not sure on exact build cost from Carrier to Mothership) Sounds a little far out to me back when they were totally immune apart from Bubbles yes but now no. I think they need a better fleet role to prove their value, something not already provided by their capital counterparts. Xailz ------ I came, i saw, i posted **** ITT.
Superfailsauce Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.12.29 03:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Xailz Originally by: Wideen they * do more damage? * tank better? * resist EW better? 100% Damage bonus +1 Tank slot Immune to standard EW (Apart from Dictors/Hictors) for an extra price tag of about 13 billion isk? (not sure on exact build cost from Carrier to Mothership) Sounds a little far out to me back when they were totally immune apart from Bubbles yes but now no. I think they need a better fleet role to prove their value, something not already provided by their capital counterparts. Xailz More EHP, Remote ECM Burst, Clone Vat Bay for OMG WHERE DID ALL THESE EXTRA SHIPS COME FROM moments, ability to solo tackle stuff at poses, massive epeen enhancement, need I go on? ------- Larkonis' Alt, main got banned.
NoNah	Posted - 2008.12.29 03:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Xailz Originally by: Wideen they * do more damage? * tank better? * resist EW better? 100% Damage bonus +1 Tank slot Immune to standard EW (Apart from Dictors/Hictors) for an extra price tag of about 13 billion isk? (not sure on exact build cost from Carrier to Mothership) Sounds a little far out to me back when they were totally immune apart from Bubbles yes but now no. I think they need a better fleet role to prove their value, something not already provided by their capital counterparts. Xailz I'll bet you a nyx that any other ship would fetch more than a 13 bil extra sum for those very attributes. A nightmare that is EW immune with an extra mid and a second +100% damage bonus? For 14 bil? A CNR with the equivalent of 18.6667 launchers? Oh and another mid. A vindicator with a seventh mid? A guardian vexor with 20 drones and 6 lows? A... really, it's cheap. It's regular carriers that are too cheap. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 785899
Szent AdamKiraly Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.29 03:50:00 - [15] Originally by: NoNah Originally by: Xailz Originally by: Wideen they * do more damage? * tank better? * resist EW better? 100% Damage bonus +1 Tank slot Immune to standard EW (Apart from Dictors/Hictors) for an extra price tag of about 13 billion isk? (not sure on exact build cost from Carrier to Mothership) Sounds a little far out to me back when they were totally immune apart from Bubbles yes but now no. I think they need a better fleet role to prove their value, something not already provided by their capital counterparts. Xailz I'll bet you a nyx that any other ship would fetch more than a 13 bil extra sum for those very attributes. A nightmare that is EW immune with an extra mid and a second +100% damage bonus? For 14 bil? A CNR with the equivalent of 18.6667 launchers? Oh and another mid. A vindicator with a seventh mid? A guardian vexor with 20 drones and 6 lows? A... really, it's cheap. It's regular carriers that are too cheap. You're an idiot.
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2008.12.29 03:54:00 - [16] Supercaps are not cost effective. That is how they were designed and that is a very good thing. ===== "If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron...
NoNah	Posted - 2008.12.29 03:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Szent AdamKiraly You're an idiot. Indeed, fitting in well am I not? Parrots, commence! Postcount: 789785
Szent AdamKiraly Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.29 04:00:00 - [18] Originally by: NoNah Originally by: Szent AdamKiraly You're an idiot. Indeed, fitting in well am I not? I surmise so.
EFT Warrior	Posted - 2008.12.29 04:09:00 - [19] Carriers are too expensive when a fleet of logistic ships can do the job cheaper, why bother flying carriers? Actually we should just all fly fleets of noobships, collect our isk from mission running until we have billion of isk that we do nothing with. 100 noobship pilots are more cost effective than flying a battleship anyway.
Awesome Marie	Posted - 2008.12.29 05:03:00 - [20] Carriers are to cheap. That's the problem. They should go for at least 3 bil. Also Dreads, up their price 300% aswell.
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.12.29 05:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Awesome Marie Carriers are to cheap. That's the problem. They should go for at least 3 bil. Also Dreads, up their price 300% aswell. What? No. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.29 11:07:00 - [22] Unless they either massively increase their rr capabilities or increase their base hp ten fold, not much is going to change.. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.12.29 17:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Sokratesz Unless they either massively increase their rr capabilities or increase their base hp ten fold, not much is going to change.. I don't really see how moms need 35-55 million EHP to be effective. I agree their RR capabilities need to be boosted. I think this is an issue with both logistics modules and the mom's lack of any real advantage at RR'ing over a carrier. The cap boost and effective cap recharge boost would help some. The change from 50%-75% rr range per lvl adds ~20km to transfer range (or maybe take it all the way up to 100% per lvl?) and a 50% RR cap usage reduction should effectively double its RR abilities. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Neyro7830 Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.12.29 17:15:00 - [24] If you don't want your mothership, I'll take it :D Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.29 19:43:00 - [25] Edited by: Janu Hull on 29/12/2008 19:45:18 Originally by: NoNah Or just threefold the price of carriers... omnomnom.... Threefold? Fugg me, if you find a Wyvern for 2.1 billion ISK, GIMME!! Try thirtyfold, with fittings. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2008.12.29 23:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Janu Hull Edited by: Janu Hull on 29/12/2008 19:45:18 Originally by: NoNah Or just threefold the price of carriers... omnomnom.... Threefold? Fugg me, if you find a Wyvern for 2.1 billion ISK, GIMME!! Try thirtyfold, with fittings. He is saying to threefold the price of carriers. Not reduce Montherships to threefold the price of carriers. Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.29 23:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Last Wolf Originally by: Janu Hull Edited by: Janu Hull on 29/12/2008 19:45:18 Originally by: NoNah Or just threefold the price of carriers... omnomnom.... Threefold? Fugg me, if you find a Wyvern for 2.1 billion ISK, GIMME!! Try thirtyfold, with fittings. He is saying to threefold the price of carriers. Not reduce Montherships to threefold the price of carriers. Aye, carriers are very cheap. I would say too cheap, but they ****ing hurt to lose.
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2008.12.30 00:26:00 - [28] I have always found it odd that Carriers are less expensive than Dreadnoughts considering that they are both T1 ships, Carriers take longer to train for, and Carriers require a higher rank skill to fly than Dreadnoughts. With every other two ships under those conditions, the ship with the lower-ranked skill is less expensive to build. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Yaggher Xanuben Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.30 11:09:00 - [29] Correct me if I'm wrong, but... aren't motherships able to lock stuff from inside a POS shield? Isn't that a huge bonus on its own, to repair POS defenders without any fear to lose the ship? At the same time you can assign 15+ fighters, depending on your slot layout. Range bonus to remote reps wouldn't hurt though... But if I was wrong about the locking inside shields part... nevermind :)
Harper04 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.12.30 11:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Yaggher Xanuben Correct me if I'm wrong, but... aren't motherships able to lock stuff from inside a POS shield? Isn't that a huge bonus on its own, to repair POS defenders without any fear to lose the ship? At the same time you can assign 15+ fighters, depending on your slot layout. Range bonus to remote reps wouldn't hurt though... But if I was wrong about the locking inside shields part... nevermind :) You're wrong about the locking inside the shields part.
Yaggher Xanuben Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.30 11:44:00 - [31] I could swear some ship was able to do it...
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.30 11:55:00 - [32] nope Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Yaggher Xanuben Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.30 12:08:00 - [33] Well, if Sok says so, then I believe. Maybe that should be done though, would give the MS an edge at POS defense :)
Centra Spike Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2008.12.30 16:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Yaggher Xanuben Maybe that should be done though, would give the MS an edge at POS defense :) No, that's ******ed. ------
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.30 16:35:00 - [35] With triage, a wyvern can rep the damage of about 6 dreads if the target has decent resists. Imagine a dozen of those sitting inside a POS with naught a fleet in the world able to kill it :P Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.30 17:16:00 - [36] You know what supercaps really need? A different metagame where massive capfleets aren't as apparent. They were a great idea but easily toppled with the advent of 100+ caps at instant disposal. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.12.30 17:53:00 - [37] All 3 alliances that can do that would disagree with you. ...but on a serious note, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.30 21:57:00 - [38] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Last Wolf Originally by: Janu Hull Edited by: Janu Hull on 29/12/2008 19:45:18 Originally by: NoNah Or just threefold the price of carriers... omnomnom.... Threefold? Fugg me, if you find a Wyvern for 2.1 billion ISK, GIMME!! Try thirtyfold, with fittings. He is saying to threefold the price of carriers. Not reduce Montherships to threefold the price of carriers. Aye, carriers are very cheap. I would say too cheap, but they **ing hurt to lose. Not really. With 300 million in the wallet and platinum insurance, you can usually hop right back into one. It also helps, if while you still have it, you slowly aquire multiple replacements for the capital modules you need. Fighters suck to replace, but I can count the number of major battles I've been in where they've been necessary on one hand and I can still make it to four, and I've been around the block quite a bit since getting the carrier in April. The fighters really don't accomplish much in POS battles compared to sentries, which are hella easier to replace, with multiple waves compared to one and a half. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.**
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.30 22:07:00 - [39] I don't see why jacking the price of carriers would be helpful at all. They're capable ships, but they're hardly powerful. At best, they're glorified logistics ships with some cargo space...though they do make wonderful ratters, when fitted properly. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
mannyman Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.01 09:50:00 - [40] Well, Mom's are really a special role, not necessary a booster role in fleet, but a safe haven where u can jump clone to and refit.. therefore give the Mom's a external shield that can be launched with fuel just like a shield.. 7.5km radius and 3mill hitpoints and a decent resist. That way, Moms will be used to refit without a POS in deep space.. I suggested this years ago.
Kira Pasisson M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:56:00 - [41] Shm, i dont think a dread is much more expensive than a carrier....if uu include the fact that a carrier needs more cap-modules, + expensive fighters + high skill cost + faction neut/smarty.... concerning moms, prolly they became a niche ship nowadays, but having them for defence and their remote ecm makes them still quite good, in everything that is not including a huge cap fleet
DaJokr VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:02:00 - [42] Dreads cost what...1.5b on average and carriers are around 1b these days? when you work out the cost of all skills and equipment put on these ships, im pretty sure that the cost of the carrier is more. Even the carrier skill cost more, dread is around 60-90m, carrier is 360+ if i remember correctly. If carriers cost what dreads cost, I would sell mine and invest the isk in something that won't hurt to lose.
Johli Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:11:00 - [43] noo don't sell it kate

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