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Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 15:19:00 - [1] Edited by: Xennith on 29/12/2008 15:19:43 Actually Solusar, our kill records show you engaging with an equal sized sniper fleet and losing. Theres been a lot of speculation within the Ushra'Khan on if your decision to fight with even odds was due to faulty intel, arrogance, or a change in your MO, I had hoped for the later personally, but I know its unlikely.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 22:59:00 - [2] i count more than 13 CVA BSs, even discounting the one we killed earlier, and of course not including your support fleet, or the pets who turned up flying expensive ships far beyond them. looks like somebody in cva is not reporting their loses.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 00:49:00 - [3] So when you were seen using hostile jumpbridges to perform logistics you were neutral? When they let you take your systems you were neutral to them? When you gained access to their intel channels and started reporting our movements you were what? Neutral? Dont make the mistake of thinking that we are stupid. Dont claim to be anything other than a CVA/Providence group lacky.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:43:00 - [4] If CVA wish to ally themselves to those who publicly state their intention to backstab them once they have served their purpose, then my life becomes easier. Incidently, "hardly any presence", "constant patrols" and the size of the fleet you spent hours assembling yesterday seem to be mutually exclusive, would you care to pick one?
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 12:39:00 - [5] http://www.eve-search.com/thread/941964 A recruitment post by shadowed command. please note the following line: Quote: CVA-Friendly, so we've got backup from other corps in the regions we operate in. You didnt respect U'K and the ideology of freedom, you were just hoping that we wouldnt notice your support for slavery and greed. Bad news, we did.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.01 01:08:00 - [6] Its a killboard link to the fight in question: http://shock.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_related&kll_id=398785
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:28:00 - [7] A glowing example of Amarrian "culture" there, full of venom and little substance.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:28:00 - [8] Please note the use of the word "not" in the above quoted sentance. "We are not in the habit of soliciting advice from CVA..."
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Ironlenny Ushra'Khan sees the world in black and white.They don't take into a count things like Slyph Alliance being willing to help us Sylph we were well aware were helping you. You were seen by our scouts using their jumpbridge network, and we were aware of you passing intel to Sylph pilots about our movements. I hate to sound like a broken recording, but haven't we been over this a few times already? They cant save you. Despite numerical superiority they cant save their own pilots, why would they waste more valuable ships trying to save you?
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:25:00 - [10] Ive seen CVA riding in to save the day in Catch a few times in the recent past Garreck. I think the first occasion is actually mentioned in the first few pages of this thread, when you responded with a sniper fleet to an equal sized Ushra'Khan fleet. Unfortunatly as our sniper fits didnt contain cloaks (I know, shocking), we had to stand and grind your golden fleet into dust. Shame really.

Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:38:00 - [11] Fair enough, but I'd like to point out that Sylph alliance are very much Pro-CVA and have a firm presence in Catch. Hitting Sylph is hurting the slaver contingent, after all they are one of your... whats the word? "holders"? So yes, beating up on large alliances in Catch can and quite often is in line with the pursuit of the ultimate U'K goal of freedom for all. (Also vengance for some would be nice).
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Kelban Kevar To answer your question we did try to stay non alignd to any one As has been stated repeatedly throughout this thread, your definition of neutral needs some work. You were allied with Sylph, a known friend of slavers, you stated that you wished to sell supplies to slavers, you were observed using Sylph jumpbridges to perform your logistics, you passed information about U'K freedom fighter movements to our enemies, and spent some considerable time in local channels talking about how you were arbitarily executing slaves. Regardless of what lies you are trying to spin, Ushra'Khan exists for the sole purpose of freeing slaves. Killing slavers and their allies is a very important part of this. Claiming territory is not. I am glad that diplomacy has been abandoned, frankly I'm amazed that our diplomats have been able to maintain negotiations for so long. We come for our people
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 17:24:00 - [13] we do not work with slavers, the idea is anathema to us. if you have intel about one of our allies being a slaver, please present it to us through diplomatic channels.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 18:01:00 - [14] well, you dont have to be actively fighting slavers to be our allies. but if you are a slaver yourself, we will never ever have friendly relations with you, until you renounce slavery. those entities you list, none are actively involved in slavery, or supporting slavers. SSI really are, see the constant repetitions of the reasons they are considered hostile for evidence. if you have actual proof of any of our allies being involved with slavery, or supporting slavers, please do forward it to our diplomats. public is not the place to do that.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.30 08:13:00 - [15] who are you, which organisation do you belong to and where would we find you? your reputation hasnt spread so far that your name is recognisable.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.03 22:24:00 - [16] Because freedom fighters need to be free to move. We face numerically superior foes in battle on a daily basis on their own ground with reinforcements moments away and friendly backup beyond easy reach. We rely on speed, surprise and the application of power at a point, territory defense forces us to give up our fighting style and fight in a fashion that favours the legions of slavery and oppression. As a member of Sylph remarked to one of our pilots: "You guys put up a starbase? You are aware that you cant fit cloaks to them right?". Its one thing to use a starbase as a tool to cause damage to the subhuman refuse that supports slavers, but beyond that tactical scope and into the longterm strategic, its just ties us down and hampers our efforts to free our people.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.04 20:32:00 - [17] you'd have to ask CVA what the proviblock's opinion is, but i imagine that they see no advantage in defending a group of people who have stated their intention to backstab them asap, who's ideology does not align with their own, who frankly contributes nothing against a known old enemy who have stated that they have no interest in taking and holding said space.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.12 15:41:00 - [18] As SSI moved into the area with the support of the Providence Bloc, I would expect the slaver forces to continue to support SSI rather than betray them when their assistance is most needed. A reputation for backstabbing your allies would be hard to shake off, especially given the history of the area and the forces involved. SSI will be gone soon enough Im sure, their presence in their station system is now something of a rarity and with a bit more pressure, should be a thing of the past.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.12 23:03:00 - [19] yes garreck, i remember that fight from our records, it started a debate internally about the use of multiple logistics ships and tech 1 cruisers. a most effective strategy, my compliments to whomever devised it. as far as the absence of cloaks on our battleships goes, they wouldnt have helped much in this engagement and so were stripped off by our crews and handed to our scientists who are attempting to create a super cloak that can be fitted to a starbase control tower. i felt naked without one to be quite honest, but managed to go down in true Ushra'Khan style anyway, ship subsystems taking massive heat damage from the strain as i plowed full speed into the nearest slaver ship.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 08:06:00 - [20] Both of those losses show up in our records, I believe that O theif was mistaken, as neither he nor I were part of this engagement. Luckily for all of us, Ombey was involved and has written up a battle report here

Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 11:05:00 - [21] We're working on it Rodj. I suppose by the same token we could point out that despite the best efforts of the Amarrian Empire and its supporters, the Ushra'Khan are still here, still fighting, still refusing to lay down and die, still standing up for the voiceless. Nobody is pretending that our fight is an easy one, but we fight it anyway, because we must and because we can. Progress has been made, setbacks suffered. As in any war, and this war isnt over until the last freedom fighter dies with a defiant snarl on his lips.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 14:40:00 - [22] So faced with an enemy who will not engage sitting just outside the docking bay of a station, you are surprised that freedom fighters engage cloaks and wait for someone to make a mistake? What would you have done in that situation? Incidently, no need to be coy by saying "an SSI system" you should have said "the SSI system" to prevent any possible confusion.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 10:18:00 - [23] Originally by: brandon packy Given the history between the two groups, smack is not suprising to see. There are several Provibloc pilots for whom I have a deal of grudging respect either for their sense of honour or for their fighting prowess. Its sad to see those pilots talking so much smack and engaging in so much chest thumping. In the interest of rising above and proving that a free pilot is a better pilot, I'd like to offer my congratulations to CVA, Sever3nce, Sylph, Libertas Fidelas, 100111011, Paxton and Aegis Militia for the destruction of our starbases and the claiming of more territory for themselves. I'm disappointed to not have seen SSI fighting for their territory, but I'm confident that we'll be seeing them hovering around their station soon enough. The good news is of course that Ushra'Khan are still here and will be until the last one of us is dead and buried. Hiding behind large fleets will only protect you so far, eventually they disperse and we resume our attacks, only with a taste for blood.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 13:39:00 - [24] Hopefully that "special place" is working on radiation shielding for your ships... are you entirely sure that you want known hostile pod pilots and kamikaze tribal warriors working on critical subsystems for you? Just another reason for you to give up slavery, and another reason that I issue sidearms and explosives to all of my crewmembers and not just the infiltrators.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:06:00 - [25] Edited by: Xennith on 16/02/2009 22:07:00 Efficiency is simply a measure of how much damage is inflicted with what resources. You call us terrorists, we call ourselves freedom fighters, but we want to inflict as much damage as possible on slavers, free as many slaves as possible, and drive as many pilots away from your slave built empire as possible. And we want to do this loseing as little hardware as possible. Efficiency is a poor metric, but until we can start measuring the smiles on the faces of the slaves I have rescued from you monsters, its the easiest to calculate. You measure success by a different criteria. Number of systems owned, total population subjugated, total amount of free thought, free will and self determination suppressed. So in short, we think the only good slaver is a slowly spinning vaccuum frozen corpse, and you think the only good system is one that CONCORD says belongs to you, even if days go past without visits from the golden fleet. And which one of us is supposed to be inhuman again?
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 16:19:00 - [26] Well, naturally I'm disappointed to have lost your respect. but im still trying to figure out what happened in the last 10 or so comments to provoke such an extreme opinion change. Ah well, we'll still be fighting without your support Mr. Morte, thank you for your faith in us, shortlived as it was.

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