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StinkFinger	Posted - 2004.07.22 00:54:00 - [31] You forgot about the volumes, there jack. 1 unit of veld is .1m3 1 unit of araknor is 16m3 What's that mean? Figure it out, noobler. --
StinkFinger	Posted - 2004.07.22 00:54:00 - [32] You forgot about the volumes, there jack. 1 unit of veld is .1m3 1 unit of araknor is 16m3 What's that mean? Figure it out, noobler. --
Wild Rho	Posted - 2004.07.22 01:22:00 - [33] This would encourage mining veld in 0.0 for people who have a pos nearby where they can refine it. I think its a good idea, either boost the trit output per unit of veld or reduce it in other ores. Reducing it in other ores sounds better though. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it...
Wild Rho	Posted - 2004.07.22 01:22:00 - [34] This would encourage mining veld in 0.0 for people who have a pos nearby where they can refine it. I think its a good idea, either boost the trit output per unit of veld or reduce it in other ores. Reducing it in other ores sounds better though. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it...
Hanse Davion	Posted - 2004.07.22 02:35:00 - [35] Originally by: StinkFinger You forgot about the volumes, there jack. 1 unit of veld is .1m3 1 unit of araknor is 16m3 What's that mean? Figure it out, noobler. First of all my name is not Jack Second, "noobler"? Excuse me I been around for quite sometime, every since Beta to be exact. Third, if you actually took the time to read my post, maybe you would figure out the meaning like so many other people that have posted to this thread have. If you going to Troll and/or flame at least do so based on the subject. Try not to show your inexperience with the game, by putting your pointless and off subject thoughts in writing. 2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage.
Hanse Davion	Posted - 2004.07.22 02:35:00 - [36] Originally by: StinkFinger You forgot about the volumes, there jack. 1 unit of veld is .1m3 1 unit of araknor is 16m3 What's that mean? Figure it out, noobler. First of all my name is not Jack Second, "noobler"? Excuse me I been around for quite sometime, every since Beta to be exact. Third, if you actually took the time to read my post, maybe you would figure out the meaning like so many other people that have posted to this thread have. If you going to Troll and/or flame at least do so based on the subject. Try not to show your inexperience with the game, by putting your pointless and off subject thoughts in writing. 2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage.
Hanse Davion	Posted - 2004.07.22 02:43:00 - [37] Originally by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 22/07/2004 00:14:31 I got a better idea... lets just get rid of the Veldspar roids... I mean nobody mines them or wants them - they are essentially useless IMO... Riz you hit the nail on the head. "nobody mines them or wants them" Trouble with this is that Veldspar has the biggest yield of Tritanium of all the roids. The reason for having so much Tritanium is that it makes up roughly 80% of just about every item you build. For example the Dominix Battleship uses 6.5 mill units of minerals in it's construction. 4.9 mill of those units are tritanium and it's like double that for a Megathon. All I'm trying to say here is that with that much trit needed to build ships. Why is the highest producer of trit never mined? 2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage.
Hanse Davion	Posted - 2004.07.22 02:43:00 - [38] Originally by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 22/07/2004 00:14:31 I got a better idea... lets just get rid of the Veldspar roids... I mean nobody mines them or wants them - they are essentially useless IMO... Riz you hit the nail on the head. "nobody mines them or wants them" Trouble with this is that Veldspar has the biggest yield of Tritanium of all the roids. The reason for having so much Tritanium is that it makes up roughly 80% of just about every item you build. For example the Dominix Battleship uses 6.5 mill units of minerals in it's construction. 4.9 mill of those units are tritanium and it's like double that for a Megathon. All I'm trying to say here is that with that much trit needed to build ships. Why is the highest producer of trit never mined? 2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage.
svetlana	Posted - 2004.07.22 02:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Hanse Davion All I'm trying to say here is that with that much trit needed to build ships. Why is the highest producer of trit never mined? hanse- must never have built a big ship or something. veldspar is definitely mined for ship production. just because you don't mine it doesn't mean all the other players don't as well. your numbers are completely misleading since they don't account for volume. if you are not buying the trit cash- you basically are forced to mine veld since it has way more trit yeild then you realise. basically your assumption here is wrong.
svetlana	Posted - 2004.07.22 02:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Hanse Davion All I'm trying to say here is that with that much trit needed to build ships. Why is the highest producer of trit never mined? hanse- must never have built a big ship or something. veldspar is definitely mined for ship production. just because you don't mine it doesn't mean all the other players don't as well. your numbers are completely misleading since they don't account for volume. if you are not buying the trit cash- you basically are forced to mine veld since it has way more trit yeild then you realise. basically your assumption here is wrong.
Mr nStuff	Posted - 2004.07.22 03:08:00 - [41] Originally by: F'nog Edit - nStuff, another well thought out remark, I see. You noticed that? Yeah. This isn't exactly the type of topic I tend to spend alot of time thinking about. 5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer. My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004
Mr nStuff	Posted - 2004.07.22 03:08:00 - [42] Originally by: F'nog Edit - nStuff, another well thought out remark, I see. You noticed that? Yeah. This isn't exactly the type of topic I tend to spend alot of time thinking about. 5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer. My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004
StinkFinger	Posted - 2004.07.22 03:22:00 - [43] Edited by: StinkFinger on 22/07/2004 03:23:28 Originally by: Hanse Davion Edited by: Hanse Davion on 21/07/2004 21:21:15 Now just to throw some numbers out there for you to think about: Base refine quanity per CCP(more skills get you more quanity) Veldspar = 750 Trit Scordite = 624 Trit and 312 Pyerite Pyroxeres = 633 Trit, 44 Pyerite, 90 Mexallon, and 8 Nocxium Looking at the above is it any wonder why everyone strip mines everything but the Veldspar out of a belt? Market wise it would go a long way to balancing some stuff out. I don't mind that Mega is 8K and Zyd 5K. What I do mind is that someone mining Arknor is getting 250 Trit on top of the Mega, Zyd, and Morphite. That is 1/3 of the amount of mining just the Veldspar. Compensate this by increasing the amounts of other mins found in a particular ore. For example remove Trit completely from Arknor and increase the Mega by 1 - 5 pieces. I was reffering to this part of your post, jack. Apparantly you cant figure out what I was talking about, so I'll fill you in. 1 unit of veldspar is 0.1 m3 1 unit of araknor is 16m3 So what's that mean? Well, I'm glad you asked!!! It takes you 160 times longer to mine the same number of araknor units versus veldspar. Ummm so what's that mean?? Well, I'm glad you asked!!! The amount of trit you get from araknor(as well as other high end roids) is INSIGNIFICANT!!! It's so small relative to the demand, that it makes no difference if it's there or not!!! So it makes this reason: Originally by: Hanse Davion This will force more trade between Empire and Non-Empire players. It will also have the side benefit of either forcing alliances/pirates to mine themselves or hire mining corps. If they start mining more themselves there are fewer people camping the gates, therefore opening up more chances for smaller corps to mine the high end ores. IRRELAVENT! Got it now, jack? BTW, I do agree that reducing the trit yeild from low end roids (especially scordite) is a good idea. But from high ends? Who cares? --
StinkFinger	Posted - 2004.07.22 03:22:00 - [44] Edited by: StinkFinger on 22/07/2004 03:23:28 Originally by: Hanse Davion Edited by: Hanse Davion on 21/07/2004 21:21:15 Now just to throw some numbers out there for you to think about: Base refine quanity per CCP(more skills get you more quanity) Veldspar = 750 Trit Scordite = 624 Trit and 312 Pyerite Pyroxeres = 633 Trit, 44 Pyerite, 90 Mexallon, and 8 Nocxium Looking at the above is it any wonder why everyone strip mines everything but the Veldspar out of a belt? Market wise it would go a long way to balancing some stuff out. I don't mind that Mega is 8K and Zyd 5K. What I do mind is that someone mining Arknor is getting 250 Trit on top of the Mega, Zyd, and Morphite. That is 1/3 of the amount of mining just the Veldspar. Compensate this by increasing the amounts of other mins found in a particular ore. For example remove Trit completely from Arknor and increase the Mega by 1 - 5 pieces. I was reffering to this part of your post, jack. Apparantly you cant figure out what I was talking about, so I'll fill you in. 1 unit of veldspar is 0.1 m3 1 unit of araknor is 16m3 So what's that mean? Well, I'm glad you asked!!! It takes you 160 times longer to mine the same number of araknor units versus veldspar. Ummm so what's that mean?? Well, I'm glad you asked!!! The amount of trit you get from araknor(as well as other high end roids) is INSIGNIFICANT!!! It's so small relative to the demand, that it makes no difference if it's there or not!!! So it makes this reason: Originally by: Hanse Davion This will force more trade between Empire and Non-Empire players. It will also have the side benefit of either forcing alliances/pirates to mine themselves or hire mining corps. If they start mining more themselves there are fewer people camping the gates, therefore opening up more chances for smaller corps to mine the high end ores. IRRELAVENT! Got it now, jack? BTW, I do agree that reducing the trit yeild from low end roids (especially scordite) is a good idea. But from high ends? Who cares? --
Hanse Davion	Posted - 2004.07.22 03:48:00 - [45] Quote: BTW, I do agree that reducing the trit yeild from low end roids (especially scordite) is a good idea. But from high ends? Who cares? Well the whole point of this post has always been, reduce the yield of trit from other ores. In doing so you force people to mine Veldspar, which in turn will hopefully give other ores a chance to regrow. If nothing else it will atleast get rid of some of the planet size Veld roids we all get stuck on. 2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage.
Hanse Davion	Posted - 2004.07.22 03:48:00 - [46] Quote: BTW, I do agree that reducing the trit yeild from low end roids (especially scordite) is a good idea. But from high ends? Who cares? Well the whole point of this post has always been, reduce the yield of trit from other ores. In doing so you force people to mine Veldspar, which in turn will hopefully give other ores a chance to regrow. If nothing else it will atleast get rid of some of the planet size Veld roids we all get stuck on. 2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage.
StinkFinger	Posted - 2004.07.22 03:49:00 - [47] Originally by: Hanse Davion Quote: BTW, I do agree that reducing the trit yeild from low end roids (especially scordite) is a good idea. But from high ends? Who cares? Well the whole point of this post has always been, reduce the yield of trit from other ores. In doing so you force people to mine Veldspar, which in turn will hopefully give other ores a chance to regrow. If nothing else it will atleast get rid of some of the planet size Veld roids we all get stuck on. But reducing the yield from high ends is pointless. --
StinkFinger	Posted - 2004.07.22 03:49:00 - [48] Originally by: Hanse Davion Quote: BTW, I do agree that reducing the trit yeild from low end roids (especially scordite) is a good idea. But from high ends? Who cares? Well the whole point of this post has always been, reduce the yield of trit from other ores. In doing so you force people to mine Veldspar, which in turn will hopefully give other ores a chance to regrow. If nothing else it will atleast get rid of some of the planet size Veld roids we all get stuck on. But reducing the yield from high ends is pointless. --
Hunting Master	Posted - 2004.07.22 15:18:00 - [49] Why nerfing trit ? In this Game trit is like sand, you'll find it everywhere and you need it to build everything. You suggestion is stupid, sorry
Hunting Master	Posted - 2004.07.22 15:18:00 - [50] Why nerfing trit ? In this Game trit is like sand, you'll find it everywhere and you need it to build everything. You suggestion is stupid, sorry
Lufio II	Posted - 2004.07.22 15:32:00 - [51] Quote: Compensate this by increasing the amounts of other mins found in a particular ore. For example remove Trit completely from Arknor and increase the Mega by 1 - 5 pieces. well, this is fubar tbh. Arkonor has 250 Trit, with current prices that would make like what... 500 isk, when it's expensive? and now put the Mega/Zyd against it.... anyway, in general I agree. Veldspar roids are really neglected in lower sec space. I don't know why, personally I prefer mining Veld to get my Trit needs solved. I think reducing the amount of trit to be found in other low lvl Ores could help there a bit. Reducing, not taking out. Wouldn't change the fact that Trit is available like sand on a beach, since every belt I've seen so far had loads of veld in them anyway.
Lufio II	Posted - 2004.07.22 15:32:00 - [52] Quote: Compensate this by increasing the amounts of other mins found in a particular ore. For example remove Trit completely from Arknor and increase the Mega by 1 - 5 pieces. well, this is fubar tbh. Arkonor has 250 Trit, with current prices that would make like what... 500 isk, when it's expensive? and now put the Mega/Zyd against it.... anyway, in general I agree. Veldspar roids are really neglected in lower sec space. I don't know why, personally I prefer mining Veld to get my Trit needs solved. I think reducing the amount of trit to be found in other low lvl Ores could help there a bit. Reducing, not taking out. Wouldn't change the fact that Trit is available like sand on a beach, since every belt I've seen so far had loads of veld in them anyway.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2004.07.22 16:29:00 - [55] This is silly. Trit prices are rising through the roof and you want it made more rare? I already have mining contacts that tell me they mine scordite and veldspar more than any other ore these days because tritanium (and pyrite, but less so) is more profitable to sell than ever. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2004.07.22 16:29:00 - [56] This is silly. Trit prices are rising through the roof and you want it made more rare? I already have mining contacts that tell me they mine scordite and veldspar more than any other ore these days because tritanium (and pyrite, but less so) is more profitable to sell than ever. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.07.22 16:42:00 - [57] /me supports this. Its kinf of silly atm. I had to mine 100k Veldspar for my Megathron, I got enough Trit out of the rest of the ores to build almoast the entire Ship with. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.07.22 16:42:00 - [58] /me supports this. Its kinf of silly atm. I had to mine 100k Veldspar for my Megathron, I got enough Trit out of the rest of the ores to build almoast the entire Ship with. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Oosel	Posted - 2004.07.22 18:12:00 - [59] most empire miners when they take the leap into 0.0 wont touch veld or scord because of the risk v reward factor especially the smaller outfits. you could lose 4 or 5 ships easily just with 2 good player rats jumping you in less than a minute even in alliance areas in fact you could get ganked off the alliance as well becuase ure not wanted there anyway becuase your deemed to small to be of any use to an alliance. you arent going to risk the 4 or 5 ships you have been working ure buttski off for in empire space for 2-3 weeks to be lost for some gankers 2 mins of fun just too tidy up roid fields i suppose you could wrangle an alliance deal to get mega for trit trade if they are in short supply but i doubt it as they already probably have their own miners anyway
Oosel	Posted - 2004.07.22 18:12:00 - [60] most empire miners when they take the leap into 0.0 wont touch veld or scord because of the risk v reward factor especially the smaller outfits. you could lose 4 or 5 ships easily just with 2 good player rats jumping you in less than a minute even in alliance areas in fact you could get ganked off the alliance as well becuase ure not wanted there anyway becuase your deemed to small to be of any use to an alliance. you arent going to risk the 4 or 5 ships you have been working ure buttski off for in empire space for 2-3 weeks to be lost for some gankers 2 mins of fun just too tidy up roid fields i suppose you could wrangle an alliance deal to get mega for trit trade if they are in short supply but i doubt it as they already probably have their own miners anyway

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