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Nebulous Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.30 17:13:00 - [1] http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=taking+liberties&emb=0# I'd watched this on DVD but just noticed it is available on google videos, it is based around UK laws but it is a good watch for anyone, as this is becoming a global problem now. This isnt a conspiracy theory video by the way, this is a documentary based on raw facts. --------------------------------------
David Kang	Posted - 2008.12.30 17:24:00 - [2] Edited by: David Kang on 30/12/2008 17:27:46 Originally by: Nebulous http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=taking+liberties&emb=0# I'd watched this on DVD but just noticed it is available on google videos, it is based around UK laws but it is a good watch for anyone, as this is becoming a global problem now. This isnt a conspiracy theory video by the way, this is a documentary based on raw facts. -------------------------------------- Why do you need rights? You have a free health service. you have a job, you can buy all those nice cloths and gadgets you want. you have food on the table and water to your home. you have a nanny state. Why do you need rights? Thats how i see it.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.30 17:32:00 - [3] ^ nice ^ I'd just like to point out there is no such thing as human rights. If they do exist, where do they come from? Only the religious types have an excuse (God) but then again he may not even exist. Actually alot of things bother me similar to human rights like legality, tradition, ****ing pointless holidays
Nebulous Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.30 17:36:00 - [4] Originally by: David Kang Why do you need rights? Are you for real? Just incase you are then it is absoloutly catastrophic for a population to lose it's rights, it prevents the people from questioning it's governments actions, history has shown that this is very dangerous, the ** regime the most obvious one. Originally by:** David Kang You have a free health service. Since when? I'm sure the last time I checked my pay slip that I had to pay tax, which then pays for the health service. Originally by: David Kang you have a job, Your point is what here? Originally by: David Kang you can buy all those nice cloths and gadgets you want. I'm strugling to keep a roof over my head at the moment, I can assure you I can not buy all the clothes and gadgets I want. Originally by: David Kang you have food on the table and water to your home. Yes which I pay for by working my ass off for 60 hours or more a week. Originally by: David Kang you have a nanny state. Correct ------------------------------------------
David Kang	Posted - 2008.12.30 17:37:00 - [5] Edited by: David Kang on 30/12/2008 17:38:48 Edited by: David Kang on 30/12/2008 17:37:18 Originally by: Nebulous Originally by: David Kang Why do you need rights? Are you for real? Just incase you are then it is absoloutly catastrophic for a population to lose it's rights, it prevents the people from questioning it's governments actions, history has shown that this is very dangerous, the ** regime the most obvious one. Originally by:** David Kang You have a free health service. Since when? I'm sure the last time I checked my pay slip that I had to pay tax, which then pays for the health service. Originally by: David Kang you have a job, Your point is what here? Originally by: David Kang you can buy all those nice cloths and gadgets you want. I'm strugling to keep a roof over my head at the moment, I can assure you I can not buy all the clothes and gadgets I want. Originally by: David Kang you have food on the table and water to your home. Yes which I pay for by working my ass off for 60 hours or more a week. Originally by: David Kang you have a nanny state. Correct ------------------------------------------ Holy hell for once i was saying nice things about the English Your living the Englishman's dream, stop moaning save a little and go out and get drunk on a Friday night like everyone else.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.12.30 17:39:00 - [6] The opperatunity of revolution in first world countires has long passed. Governments like the US, UK, most of Europe and so forth have the weapons and have put in place measures to keep their population in a position where they can't rise up to overthrow said government if they do something truely horrific or just dont listen to their people. This sort of thing has happened before plenty of times in our history and one only need to look back to the 30's-40's to see a prime example of how a government positions its population so it cant rebel while it goes about commiting crimes against humanity. The sad thing is most governements, either concously or unconcously have taken that example and are applying it to their populations. Given how easy the government has it now to watch the movements of its citizens any organized rebellion that would arise in response to their governments actions would be put down, harshly. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.30 18:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Jacob Mei The opperatunity of revolution in first world countires has long passed. Governments like the US, UK, most of Europe and so forth have the weapons and have put in place measures to keep their population in a position where they can't rise up to overthrow said government if they do something truely horrific or just dont listen to their people. This sort of thing has happened before plenty of times in our history and one only need to look back to the 30's-40's to see a prime example of how a government positions its population so it cant rebel while it goes about commiting crimes against humanity. The sad thing is most governements, either concously or unconcously have taken that example and are applying it to their populations. Given how easy the government has it now to watch the movements of its citizens any organized rebellion that would arise in response to their governments actions would be put down, harshly. I tell this to everyone... read Brave New World Revisited. You think you are manically depressed now...
David Kang	Posted - 2008.12.30 18:14:00 - [8] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Jacob Mei The opperatunity of revolution in first world countires has long passed. Governments like the US, UK, most of Europe and so forth have the weapons and have put in place measures to keep their population in a position where they can't rise up to overthrow said government if they do something truely horrific or just dont listen to their people. This sort of thing has happened before plenty of times in our history and one only need to look back to the 30's-40's to see a prime example of how a government positions its population so it cant rebel while it goes about commiting crimes against humanity. The sad thing is most governements, either concously or unconcously have taken that example and are applying it to their populations. Given how easy the government has it now to watch the movements of its citizens any organized rebellion that would arise in response to their governments actions would be put down, harshly. I tell this to everyone... read Brave New World Revisited. You think you are manically depressed now... Then use Anonymous, its not a person, its not a building, its not a physical thing. it cannot be killed. destroyed or silenced. Its an idea, you cannot kill an idea.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.12.30 18:24:00 - [9] Originally by: David Kang Edited by: David Kang on 30/12/2008 18:19:49 Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Jacob Mei The opperatunity of revolution in first world countires has long passed. Governments like the US, UK, most of Europe and so forth have the weapons and have put in place measures to keep their population in a position where they can't rise up to overthrow said government if they do something truely horrific or just dont listen to their people. This sort of thing has happened before plenty of times in our history and one only need to look back to the 30's-40's to see a prime example of how a government positions its population so it cant rebel while it goes about commiting crimes against humanity. The sad thing is most governements, either concously or unconcously have taken that example and are applying it to their populations. Given how easy the government has it now to watch the movements of its citizens any organized rebellion that would arise in response to their governments actions would be put down, harshly. I tell this to everyone... read Brave New World Revisited. You think you are manically depressed now... Then use Anonymous, its not a person, its not a building, its not a physical thing. it cannot be killed. destroyed or silenced. Its an idea, you cannot kill an idea. Ninja edit: i wished i live during the time of church hill, now there was a man i could get along with..... now thats a leader. No but you can villify an idea enough so that any large enough amount of your population wont cringe when the idea is brought up. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
David Kang	Posted - 2008.12.30 18:31:00 - [10] Its quite sad, Add the Erosion of our education system. Slashdot linky Its scary.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.12.30 20:07:00 - [11] Freedom is won with blood, and lost with the stroke of a pen. -Unknown Is an old quote I like. Also, OP has a great sig.
David Kang	Posted - 2008.12.30 20:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Qui Shon Freedom is won with blood, and lost with the stroke of a pen. -Unknown Is an old quote I like. Also, OP has a great sig. Just out of interest do you know who she is?
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.12.30 20:39:00 - [13] Originally by: David Kang Just out of interest do you know who she is? No. Some ****star or other, perhaps?
David Kang	Posted - 2008.12.30 20:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: David Kang Just out of interest do you know who she is? No. Some ****star or other, perhaps? Ok thats made me even more interested if shes getting that nice rack out
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.12.30 20:59:00 - [15] IN BEFORE SHINING!
David Kang	Posted - 2008.12.30 21:01:00 - [16] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich IN BEFORE SHINING! hay thats not fair.. you actually have rights
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.30 21:19:00 - [17] Originally by: Qui Shon Freedom is won with blood, and lost with the stroke of a pen. -Unknown Is an old quote I like. Also, OP has a great sig. It was quoted by Mel Gibson in the movie 'Braveheart' but whether the actual quote comes from before that time, I have no idea. Originally by: David Kang Holy hell for once i was saying nice things about the English Your living the Englishman's dream, stop moaning save a little and go out and get drunk on a Friday night like everyone else. Don`t think, just buy more nice cloths, and drink more. England isn't a country for people who think To be fair if you want rights, leave the UK its simple Even I could see you were being sarcastic, I'm surprised that he didn't notice it given your previous hate posts about the UK (to which I agree I must point out). I must disagree with that last statement though. The Brits do a lot of thinking which is obvious by the amount of complaining they do about the government and they way they are taxed to death. It's action that they seem to have a problem with. There is a boundary bertween complaining about something and doing something about it that they won't seem to cross. I guess the majority must like having something to complain about. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
David Kang	Posted - 2008.12.30 21:28:00 - [18] Edited by: David Kang on 30/12/2008 21:29:27 Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Qui Shon Freedom is won with blood, and lost with the stroke of a pen. -Unknown Is an old quote I like. Also, OP has a great sig. It was quoted by Mel Gibson in the movie 'Braveheart' but whether the actual quote comes from before that time, I have no idea. Originally by: David Kang Holy hell for once i was saying nice things about the English Your living the Englishman's dream, stop moaning save a little and go out and get drunk on a Friday night like everyone else. Don`t think, just buy more nice cloths, and drink more. England isn't a country for people who think To be fair if you want rights, leave the UK its simple Even I could see you were being sarcastic, I'm surprised that he didn't notice it given your previous hate posts about the UK (to which I agree I must point out). I must disagree with that last statement though. The Brits do a lot of thinking which is obvious by the amount of complaining they do about the government and they way they are taxed to death. It's action that they seem to have a problem with. There is a boundary bertween complaining about something and doing something about it that they won't seem to cross. I guess the majority must like having something to complain about. Are you English?? Have you ever seen these people in person? There a country of educated, respectable people
Benco97 Gallente Friendly Archaeology Group of Inder	Posted - 2008.12.30 21:49:00 - [19] Originally by: David Kang Best advice to anybody that lives in england, leave. Why don't you follow your own advice? No doubt it's someone else's fault whatever your reason. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
David Kang	Posted - 2008.12.30 21:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Benco97 Originally by: David Kang Best advice to anybody that lives in england, leave. Why don't you follow your own advice? No doubt it's someone else's fault whatever your reason. I am, i am leaving.. saving my money as we speak
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.12.30 22:22:00 - [21] Originally by: David Kang Edited by: David Kang on 30/12/2008 21:16:00 Edited by: David Kang on 30/12/2008 17:57:25 Originally by: Nebulous Originally by: David Kang Why do you need rights? Are you for real? Just incase you are then it is absoloutly catastrophic for a population to lose it's rights, it prevents the people from questioning it's governments actions, history has shown that this is very dangerous, the ** regime the most obvious one. Originally by:** David Kang You have a free health service. Since when? I'm sure the last time I checked my pay slip that I had to pay tax, which then pays for the health service. Originally by: David Kang you have a job, Your point is what here? Originally by: David Kang you can buy all those nice cloths and gadgets you want. I'm strugling to keep a roof over my head at the moment, I can assure you I can not buy all the clothes and gadgets I want. Originally by: David Kang you have food on the table and water to your home. Yes which I pay for by working my ass off for 60 hours or more a week. Originally by: David Kang you have a nanny state. Correct ------------------------------------------ Holy hell for once i was saying nice things about the English Your living the Englishman's dream, stop moaning save a little and go out and get drunk on a Friday night like everyone else. Don`t think, just buy more nice cloths, and drink more. England isn't a country for people who think To be fair if you want rights, leave the UK its simple . Rights, Education, respectable people.. there all German things. Stop moaning if you don't fit in with the English way of life and leave. Not everyone in the UK is English. What ever happened to Ireland, Scotland and Wales eh? ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
David Kang	Posted - 2008.12.30 22:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: David Kang Edited by: David Kang on 30/12/2008 21:16:00 Edited by: David Kang on 30/12/2008 17:57:25 Originally by: Nebulous Originally by: David Kang Why do you need rights? Are you for real? Just incase you are then it is absoloutly catastrophic for a population to lose it's rights, it prevents the people from questioning it's governments actions, history has shown that this is very dangerous, the ** regime the most obvious one. Originally by:** David Kang You have a free health service. Since when? I'm sure the last time I checked my pay slip that I had to pay tax, which then pays for the health service. Originally by: David Kang you have a job, Your point is what here? Originally by: David Kang you can buy all those nice cloths and gadgets you want. I'm strugling to keep a roof over my head at the moment, I can assure you I can not buy all the clothes and gadgets I want. Originally by: David Kang you have food on the table and water to your home. Yes which I pay for by working my ass off for 60 hours or more a week. Originally by: David Kang you have a nanny state. Correct ------------------------------------------ Holy hell for once i was saying nice things about the English Your living the Englishman's dream, stop moaning save a little and go out and get drunk on a Friday night like everyone else. Don`t think, just buy more nice cloths, and drink more. England isn't a country for people who think To be fair if you want rights, leave the UK its simple . Rights, Education, respectable people.. there all German things. Stop moaning if you don't fit in with the English way of life and leave. Not everyone in the UK is English. What ever happened to Ireland, Scotland and Wales eh? Point taken Scotland seems to be a nice part of the UK, but i am talking about the English.
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.31 05:28:00 - [23] for some reason idk why. but i sorta hate great britain oh wait there is nothing so great about them so i hate britain. maybe i shouldn't of jumped through that gate
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.12.31 06:24:00 - [24] Edited by: HankMurphy on 31/12/2008 06:25:24 Originally by: Jacob Mei The opperatunity of revolution in first world countires has long passed. Governments like the US, UK, most of Europe and so forth have the weapons and have put in place measures to keep their population in a position where they can't rise up to overthrow said government if they do something truely horrific or just dont listen to their people. This sort of thing has happened before plenty of times in our history and one only need to look back to the 30's-40's to see a prime example of how a government positions its population so it cant rebel while it goes about commiting crimes against humanity. The sad thing is most governements, either concously or unconcously have taken that example and are applying it to their populations. Given how easy the government has it now to watch the movements of its citizens any organized rebellion that would arise in response to their governments actions would be put down, harshly. "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson There is always opportunity for revolution. The beauty of a democracy is, there is the increased chance that the system can correct itself. Is this still possible today? That is the argument, as pessimistic as i can be i have to say yes, it is possible. People have good reason to fear the police states we are facing today but remember, the tighter a government squeezes it's fist, the more people slip through the fingers. The flaw to your argument is, the very people that enforce the corrupt and suppressive policies of the governments in question are also in some way shape or form the citizens of that government. A fascist government fuels its own fascism. the subtle policies that formed it's existence are eventually blown out of proportion until paranoia, propaganda and blind ideology become visible to even the most stout proponents. There is tipping point when even the enforcers of the policy rebel and the carefully constructed machine starts to fall apart from within. A tipping point is always achieved where the government is forcefully removed (or restored depending on how you look at it) from within (though sometimes this is done with the assistance of outside influence). Fascist governments are vicious animals, and just like in nature the most aggressive and vicious animals eventually fall victim to their own voracity. Everything in life is cyclic and governments aren't excluded. all must change and evolve. a fascist state is an attempt to stall progress and silence thought. It's an attempt to turn free thinking humans into machines and is something we will rebel against by our very nature. The fascist state is fundamentally flawed as the foundation for ALL democracies is that the state should exist in service of the people, and fascism attempts to make the people exist in service to the state. This is done through restriction and suppression. As history shows the more a government tries to restrict it's people, the more violently they will resist. Either the people will restore the government to it's intended state, or they will destroy it and start again. love your country fear your government exercise your rights and if someone tries to take your liberty, take it back. ---------- Seasons Greetings and have a Happy Alvis Time
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.12.31 08:11:00 - [25] Edited by: Davina Braben on 31/12/2008 08:11:40 It's pretty simple. Vote for the other lot. Or the Lib Dems. They're always going on about constitutional reform.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.31 10:55:00 - [26] Edited by: TimMc on 31/12/2008 10:58:27 Originally by: Davina Braben Edited by: Davina Braben on 31/12/2008 08:11:40 It's pretty simple. Vote for the other lot. Or the Lib Dems. They're always going on about constitutional reform. Conservatives are a step in the right direction, but Lib Dems seem an even better, although often ignored, option. My only problem at this time is Lib Dems want to cut taxes alot, which will screw up national debt and taxation in the future for my generation. Originally by: HankMurphy Alot of good stuff... What would we rebel with? We have no guns, those were taken away a long time ago. If the Labour government has its way, we won't even have knives or pointy objects. The only way I see our government being destroyed is from 1) the military answering the peoples cries 2) Foreign nations responding to the governments harsh responses to ALL of our protests.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:19:00 - [27] Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 31/12/2008 08:03:06 Originally by: Jacob Mei The opperatunity of revolution in first world countires has long passed. "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson There is always opportunity for revolution. The beauty of a democracy is, there is the increased chance that the system can correct itself. Is this still possible today? That is the argument, as pessimistic as i can be i have to say yes, it is possible. People have good reason to fear the police states we are facing today but remember, the tighter a government squeezes it's fist, the more people slip through the fingers. The flaw to your argument is, the very people that enforce the corrupt and suppressive policies of the governments in question are also in some way shape or form the citizens of that government. A fascist government fuels its own fascism. the subtle policies that formed it's existence are eventually blown out of proportion until paranoia, propaganda and blind ideology become visible to even the most stout proponents. There is tipping point when even the enforcers of the policy rebel and the carefully constructed machine starts to fall apart from within. A tipping point is always achieved where the government is forcefully removed (or restored depending on how you look at it) from within (though sometimes this is done with the assistance of outside influence). Fascist governments are vicious animals, and just like in nature the most aggressive and vicious animals eventually fall victim to their own voracity. Everything in life is cyclic and governments aren't excluded. all must change and evolve. a fascist state is an attempt to stall progress and silence thought. It's an attempt to turn free thinking humans into machines and is something we will rebel against by our very nature. The fascist state is fundamentally flawed as the foundation for ALL democracies is that the state should exist in service of the people, and fascism attempts to make the people exist in service to the state. This is done through restriction and suppression. As history shows the more a government tries to restrict it's people, the more violently they will resist. Either the people will restore the government to it's intended state, or they will destroy it and start again. love your country fear your government exercise your rights and if someone tries to take your liberty, take it back. edit: just got done watching the whole thing, it was pretty interesting. i started my post with a jefferson quote, i like how they ended their flick with one: When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. Jefferson was a brilliant man with an exceptional grasp of how powerful language can be. I love this passage! Revolution is always an option; it just will not be easy to organize. Then again it was never "easy" to organize. We just have to be willing to sacrifice our comforts, sacrifice our family and social lives, put the countries interests above our own self-interest, and above all, make sure we are all willing to sacrifice our own lives. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:53:00 - [28] i plan on getting into politics as a career, ill be attending a council seminar in the near future. Hopefully getting into the local council while i attend uni (history + politics). You should be afraid very afraid
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.31 13:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Qui Shon Freedom is won with blood, and lost with the stroke of a pen. -Unknown Is an old quote I like. Also, OP has a great sig. I have another one for you: "Those who would give up an Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Thomas Jefferson Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.12.31 17:37:00 - [30] Originally by: David Kang I am, i am leaving.. saving my money as we speak So you cant afford that ú8 flight to anyway in Europe? ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.

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