Hello,

would like to offer the idea, to make it possible to find permacloaker in a system.
People login, fly on a safespot and take look every few hours.
He had a hugh bonus, but the systemuser have no way to find him...

Whats about a "effect" when the ship stands for about 30 minutes cloaked at the same point.
Some interferences may be found when a ship is cloaked so long at the same point

Combat Scanner Probes may find a signature after a time and you have the chance to warp to the cloaky and decloak him.

This will reduce the amount of afk cloaker in a system and may reduce it to pilots that really want to get a kill or pilots that chance the position every xy minute

Just gonna throw an idea out there: If you're worried about cloakies in a system, then secure your system better, have more combat ships ready to warp at any second, bubble gates and drop random items that will decloak a ship and have people watch.

Mummy I'm scared of the big meanie cloakies! Make them go away! abloobloobloo

yeah and pay playre for being 24h around just waiting for a cloaky ;)

the part that cloakys have such hugh bonus is something special. what other tactic or typ of ship has a so big advantage.
permacloakys can't shoot u, thats right, but you have to live with the threat all the time and when systems are full with permacloakys most of them just want to be a threat and bring down the live in the system. just with being there and afk..

that this point is discussed so often, shows that it needs some work.

i don't say "lets easy scan for the cloaky and kill them", the cloaky must have his "cloakybonus". but not for those who stand only in a system, and maybe engage you every 3-4 days.

the most of them has a safespot and they stand still all the time...
so why not add a effect, like a spatial distortion that comes up after some time (maybe 30 or 45 minutes) and is scanable with probes. the permacloaky has to warp away, he has to play not to be afk, just moving or orbit all the time would not help because his cloak is disrupting the space around... maybe 0.1 AU

this will leave the cloaky advantage but gives pilots the possibility to do something against afk permacloakys.
you can still camp a gate with cloakys, who comes to a system and scans the gate with probes ^^ ?

and when you are a sci-fi fan ^^ in every space sci-fi series there is a way to find cloaked ships that stand around. by tracking his warp signature or because of a spatial distortion or many more ^^

Hello,

Whats about a "effect" when the ship stands for about 30 minutes cloaked at the same point.
Some interferences may be found when a ship is cloaked so long at the same point

if they are cloaked they can't shoot you.

obligatory:

Removing local fixes AFK cloaky "issue"

STOP AFK CLOACKING TODAY

And what happen when the AFK cloaked ship is aligning something ?
30 minute enough to reach another grid easily. So what is the cloaking in same point ? :P

"...just moving or orbit all the time would not help because his cloak is disrupting the space around... maybe 0.1 AU..."
^^

But your idea with the fuel is a nice idea too
... "and when this topic is some topic that is discussed most of the time as some of u say, think about why ;)"

Whats about a "effect" when the ship stands for about 30 minutes cloaked at the same point.
Some interferences may be found when a ship is cloaked so long at the same point

Combat Scanner Probes may find a signature after a time and you have the chance to warp to the cloaky and decloak him.

This will reduce the amount of afk cloaker in a system and may reduce it to pilots that really want to get a kill or pilots that chance the position every xy minute

About why ? Because we want to kill afk cloakers, but afk cloaking is risk free. Just asking why ? Why risk free a playtype in enemy space, when everything other movements there is not risk free ???

Docking up is risk free....

Really ? Try risk free docking up when station bubbled and enemy fleet are there and you are not in a cloaked ship and warp there.

If you were dumb enough to wait long enough for them to get set up like that, then yeah. If you're paying attention and just dock when they're two jumps out, then where's the risk?

Well this post is popping up quite often so mayby something should be done about it.

If the mechanics would be perfect there would be no whiners now would there.

I heard that some people need to sleep, can't believe it, but read it somewhere in the inet... it's scarring me

Remove local. Problem solved.

same stupid answer ;)

How does this come up so often? Cloaks are fine.

If the mechanics would be perfect there would be no whiners now would there.

Really ? Try risk free docking up when station bubbled and enemy fleet are there and you are not in a cloaked ship and warp there.

Confirming that cloaked ships are supposed to be sneaking around in space they don't belong in.

What did you *think* cloaks were for? Being able to run L5 missions?

They're supposed to be an invisibility button, not an invincibility button. They need to have a counter like everything else.

Cloaked ships are not invulnerable.

The fact you think they are is nothing short of your show of complete and utter ignorance of the facts.

[quote=Drake Draconis]player a,b,c-f are indu chars.. skilled to indu and pi... what should the do against a 2 man tengu/loki cloaky gang, waiting for someone to dock off.../quote]


So you have a situation where you have a 4 man crew against a 2 man crew and you can't figure out what you should do against them..Lemme help.

1. Spend a couple months or less and (heaven forbid) skill que up some combat skills.
2. Send out bait.
3. Kill two man fleet with 4 man fleet.
4. Profit.

cloaky whine

How is afk cloaking fine?

Anything that allows you to have an impact in game without being at the computer is either botting or an exploit.

You chose which.

Whatever you do...don't mine an asteroid...or you'll be banned.

Hello,

would like to offer the idea, to make it possible to find permacloaker in a system.
People login, fly on a safespot and take look every few hours.
He had a hugh bonus, but the systemuser have no way to find him...

Whats about a "effect" when the ship stands for about 30 minutes cloaked at the same point.
Some interferences may be found when a ship is cloaked so long at the same point

Combat Scanner Probes may find a signature after a time and you have the chance to warp to the cloaky and decloak him.

This will reduce the amount of afk cloaker in a system and may reduce it to pilots that really want to get a kill or pilots that chance the position every xy minute

Here's something to add to this treadnaught...

How about a sov upgrade for higher level systems? There isn't anything that an alliance spends ISK on at level 5. Why not try a Cloak Disruption Array?

Sov : LVL 5
Upgrade : Cloak Disruption Module - 2-5 mi per day

POS Module : Cloak Disruption Array
Must be active to disrupt cloaking devices within the system
Affects all cloaking devices within the system

This would allow cloaky-fags to camp systems not properly upgraded, while allowing corp's/alliance's with the SOV to 'protect' against cloakers. But, it'll also prevent the owning corporations from running cloaky operations within the system too. It would have a similar effect as the cyno-jammer and upgrade that are currently in the system.

What do you think of that? Trying to find a middle-of-the-road solution for those that like that play-style while making the care-bears happy that they won't have afk cloakers sitting in the system. On the side, it would produce another ISK sink for the economist's in EVE.

I like the fuel needed for cloaking idea. Especially the use up something from PI part.

Please remind me again how someone who is not at the computer can impact your gameplay.

You can mine with out being at the computer?

Which programme do you use?

Regards,

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Nice, quite a beefy and angry reply :)

Im not going to reply to the personal insults, as they are beyond the scope of this thread (and board too?).

However, You implied you could mine whilst being AFK. My reply was that, you cannot. You can be 'semi-afk', but you still need to input commands to the client every 5-10 mins. Also I never stated that a titan can use a covert-cyno, I stated that those are two outcomes from ignoring a afk cloaky. (read: a titan bridge or covert cyno).

My overall argument is however that parking in a system cloaked *should* be considered an exploit as no input is required, at all. However you give the threat of those danagers at any time. As the hosts do not know when you are actually at the computer. I am all for danager, but there should, again in my opinion, be a counter that does not allow them to be AFK. So in summary, my disagreement is there being no way to stop them, otherwise its fine :)

That is my opinion, don't get so angry over it ;)

Regards,

Why not try a Cloak Disruption Array?

obligatory:

Removing local fixes AFK cloaky "issue"

I concur.

Furthermore:

Obligatory: "Show me on the doll where the mean cloaky touched you."

And on top of that, I have to make the following points.

If a ship is cloaked, it can't:
- Target
- Engage
- Hurt You

If you can't deal with this:
- Give me your stuff
- Insert character into Biomass Queue over
- Move out of your mother's basement
- Take a shower

Please remind me again how someone who is not at the computer can impact your gameplay.

I like the fuel needed for cloaking idea. Especially the use up something from PI part.

If your so stupid that you do not know how, then please jump into a well and stay there and think about it.

I think the inability to deal with a cloaked ship in your system is indicative of your inability to hold said system, not a failing of the cloak mechanics.

If you don't have the skills or manpower to counter whatever might come from the cloaky, chances are you will lose the system regardless of cloaky being involved or of more traditional ways.

Jack, the quote you are using as a sig was, i think, originally

"War does not determine who is right, but who is left"

arent there like three other threads about this exact same thing, with all the exact same people posting the exact same things?

There are plenty of counter-tactics to cloaked ships:

If you want to find a solution to a permacloaked ship, grab a fleet, and go **** their **** up.

Can you expand a bit more on how this works?

Seriously? I mean bother to read what everyone already has offered.

so then about 85% have to leave the nosec because they all have not enough player to be online 24/7 and protect again incomming cloakys.. and remember some gangs fly with 20 people around and leave a cloaked behind...
how u deal with this ? engage the 20 men with your 15 online people..

it is a failing of the cloaking mechanics, how u deal with a cloaked ship ?
there is now way for u to deal with it... until he attackes u... but he will not attack u when 20 other player online...

the "remove local" or "dealwith it or not blabla" is all bullshit..

a cloaky is a permanent threat for u and your member, u never know when he is really playing or trying to find u in a site or something else.

there is no other "tactic" or something else that is a permant threat, every tactic has a counter tactic but afk-cloaky-bring-a-system-down-engange-when-nobody-else-is-online has no countertactic...

so there has to be a way to engange him, because of a space disruption after a long time, or to prevent him from perma cloaking with fuel...
where is the problem with this ideas? this kills just the overpowered afk-permathreat nothing more...
all other tactics and uses of a cloaked ship will work as the do atm...
or are u afraid that u don't get any kills in the future ? ;) i think so...

I meant how does one go about finding a perma cloaky ship. currently.

I meant how does one go about finding a perma cloaky ship. currently.

You really don't get it do you?

I suggest you consider the mouse trap and then apply it to eve mechanics/tactics.

If you can't figure out that much let alone refuse to read what people have said in many topics...you have no business making proposals about this subject what-so-ever.

Maybe you can detail how a cloaky ship provides an unique threat to a system. Maybe highlight how much more of a threat it is than say, a regular roaming gang or non cloaked scout.

I dont want to break the cloak mechanic, I do want to break the system camping mechanic.
how?, im not sure.

My my my....someones weak to mental psychological attacks....how utterly pathetic.

I'm not at my keyboard...but I'm going to attack you...but I'm not at my keyboard...but I'm so going to attack you with my cloaked ship.

woooooooouuuuuuu *ghost sounds*


I suggest you spend some quality time in the said well before you spout that senseless crap you call logic again.

Perhaps you should divert energy to reworking tactics to protect your paranoid selves from attack eh?

or perhaps it would be best served hiding in a station and not undocking because of a supposed cloaked individual.

And whatever you do...don't you DARE go to Wormhole Space....because your just utterly screwed at that point.

Why trolling all forum topic you fcking moron ?

he i have a better idea , we still have the obsolete deep space probes , reform them to ghost hunting probes tha locks on the invisable shield of a cloacked ship

Hey, I have an EXCELLENT idea of perma-solving the afk-cloakers problem: after a set period of time, the cloaked person disappears from local!