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Tricky Blood	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:02:00 - [1] I was looking through ship setups and noticed there hasn't been any updated Falcon setups since Feb of this year so I thought I would start a new one to incorporate the changes within EVE. I was thinking along the lines of using it as a support ship with a few more ships waiting in the wings after the Falcon has locked its Prey This is what I was thinking High Slots: Covert Ops Cloak Assault Missle Launchers T2 Assault Missle Launchers T2 Free Slot Medium Slots: Multi Spectral Jammer ECM T2 Multi Spectral Jammer ECM T2 Multi Spectral Jammer ECM T2 Multi Spectral Jammer ECM T2 Multi Spectral Jammer ECM T2 Warp Disruptor T2 Stasis Webifier T2 Low Slots: Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Rigs: Free Slots Now the only thing im wondering is whether to put race specific jammers instead of Multi's and not sure what to put in rigs. So let mew know what you think
Horizon Taker Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:14:00 - [2] Edited by: Horizon Taker on 31/12/2008 11:14:17 Rig it, get rid of the warp disrupt and stasis webs for god's sake, and don't use full multispecs, jesus. Minmatar can be jammed with other racial's jammers (Minmatar sensor strength for the lose) so you really only need to pack 1 of those, a couple Caldari for other falcons and more or less whatever. Also, you don't need any guns of any sort, fit a prober.
Ralarina Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:22:00 - [3] Edited by: Ralarina on 31/12/2008 11:23:52 Yup what the poster above me said. And depending on how your corp operates, maybe a cyno if you can fit it. You should have: HIGHS: Covert Ops Cloak Recon Launcher (or sisters recon). Maybe an offlined scan probe launcher to find people in missions / deadspace easier? 1 Sensor Booster II with range script [MAYBE] 1 MWD or AB although this will be situation dependent; if you have BMs for the gates / area then I wouldn't personally bother but if you don't have BMs then it's possibly a good idea. 2x Caldari ECM II 1x Gallente ECM II 1x Amarr ECM II(maybe 2, if you don't fit the MWD/AB) 1x Minmitar ECM II Lows: 3x Signal Distortion Amps Rigs: The Optimal range ones; either 2 or 1 of that and 1 of the strength one. --
Sneaky Tiger Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:24:00 - [4] you missed the fact that OP wanted it to be a tackler, with damage support waiting to jump in once the target has been tackled.
Ralarina Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Sneaky Tiger you missed the fact that OP wanted it to be a tackler, with damage support waiting to jump in once the target has been tackled. Then use an Arazu. --
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:27:00 - [6] There's better ships to scout with tbh. You'll cap out on big systems which isn't very ideal.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:35:00 - [7] falcon tackler is fail Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Tricky Blood	Posted - 2008.12.31 13:08:00 - [8] ok what about this setup.. High Slots: Covert Ops Cloak Medium Energy Neutralizer T2 Medium Noferatu T2 Medium Noferatu T2 Medium Slots: ECM Spatial Destablibilizer T2 ECM Spatial Destablibilizer T2 ECM Phase Inverter T2 ECM Phase Inverter T2 ECM Ion Field Projector T2 ECM Ion Field Projector T2 ECM White Noise T2 Low Slots: Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Rigs: Tracking Diagnostic Subroutines Ionic Field Projector This any better?
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers	Posted - 2008.12.31 15:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Tricky Blood ok what about this setup.. High Slots: Covert Ops Cloak Medium Energy Neutralizer T2 Medium Noferatu T2 Medium Noferatu T2 Medium Slots: ECM Spatial Destablibilizer T2 ECM Spatial Destablibilizer T2 ECM Phase Inverter T2 ECM Phase Inverter T2 ECM Ion Field Projector T2 ECM Ion Field Projector T2 ECM White Noise T2 Low Slots: Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Rigs: Tracking Diagnostic Subroutines Ionic Field Projector This any better? If you insist on bringing it within shooting range then drop the nuetralizer - your cap REALLY IS your life blood in this ship.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.12.31 17:37:00 - [10] MWD, Probe, Smartbomb Consider a plate.
Xephys	Posted - 2008.12.31 17:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Sokratesz falcon tackler is fail It's happened to me recently, while ratting. I suppose it's good if all you have is Caldari cruiser 5. Just uncloaked next to me, point, web and perma-jam on my Cyclone (I think). Couldn't do anything, while a Raven entered the system and blew me to pieces.
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2008.12.31 18:36:00 - [12] Edited by: eXtas on 31/12/2008 18:38:22 cloak, probe launher sensorbooster with targeting range, 6x racial jammers 2x amps, 1600mm plate jamming range and jamming strength rig if you dont have bm's for the area change sensorbooster for mwd. or claok, probe launcher 7x racial jammers 2x jam amp, 1x sensor amp same rigs I think or maybe one locking range :P basicly if you got bm's fit it to have 240km or so lock range and jamming range.. for roaming gangs you want a mwd because you cant warp to a bm and then you dont need any sensorboosters or jamming range rigs.. only time I fit takling on a falcon is on test server if someone is griefing me.. I fit a falcon with takling and go perma takle + jam that guy untill I know he will never bother me agen :P
Motaka	Posted - 2008.12.31 18:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Tricky Blood ok what about this setup.. High Slots: Covert Ops Cloak Medium Energy Neutralizer T2 Medium Noferatu T2 Medium Noferatu T2 Medium Slots: ECM Spatial Destablibilizer T2 ECM Spatial Destablibilizer T2 ECM Phase Inverter T2 ECM Phase Inverter T2 ECM Ion Field Projector T2 ECM Ion Field Projector T2 ECM White Noise T2 Low Slots: Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Rigs: Tracking Diagnostic Subroutines Ionic Field Projector This any better? Awesome,how much cpu do you have left over? _______________________________________________ Motaka ~ DirtyHarry ~ Original F-E Material
Tricky Blood	Posted - 2009.01.05 09:40:00 - [14] Ok I have had a re-think about the setup completely as I have noticed the best named stuff does just as a good job as the tech 2 stuff and I do want the falcon to tackle so im dropping the min jammer and adding a multi and an extra Caldari Jammer, so let me know what you think of the following: Low Slots: Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Signal Distortion Amplifier T2 Medium Slots: Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM Hypnos Ion Field ECM Umbra White Noise ECM Hypnos Multispectral ECM High Slots: Arbalest Heavy Missile Launcher Arbalest Heavy Missile Launcher Covert Ops Cloaking Device T2 Medium Proton Smartbomb T2 Rigs: Targeting System Subcontroller Particle Dispersion Augmentor Now with this setup I do want to tackle hence the reason for the scramblers, with this setup I can run forever as long as I dont need to run the smart bomb for long periods of time and I feel this would give me enough time to bring in the reinforcements to pop the ship.. so what you think??
Cautet Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.05 10:08:00 - [15] Edited by: Cautet on 05/01/2009 10:08:53 Originally by: Xephys Originally by: Sokratesz falcon tackler is fail It's happened to me recently, while ratting. I suppose it's good if all you have is Caldari cruiser 5. Just uncloaked next to me, point, web and perma-jam on my Cyclone (I think). Couldn't do anything, while a Raven entered the system and blew me to pieces. You didn't have drones? Or they already agro something else? Why didn't you either lock him before he locked you and shoot him and put drones on him OR just warp off? Drones is why falcon tackling doesn't work. They tackle within the auto-agro area for drones then they die. Also - he has a locking delay after cloaking. You could have locked first and shot him. Or you could have warped off. Arazu would have tackled you with less risk.
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 11:59:00 - [16] Originally by: Cautet Originally by: Xephys Originally by: Sokratesz falcon tackler is fail It's happened to me recently, while ratting. I suppose it's good if all you have is Caldari cruiser 5. Just uncloaked next to me, point, web and perma-jam on my Cyclone (I think). Couldn't do anything, while a Raven entered the system and blew me to pieces. You didn't have drones? Or they already agro something else? Why didn't you either lock him before he locked you and shoot him and put drones on him OR just warp off? Drones is why falcon tackling doesn't work. They tackle within the auto-agro area for drones then they die. Also - he has a locking delay after cloaking. You could have locked first and shot him. Or you could have warped off. Arazu would have tackled you with less risk. Not really. Falcons can tank way better than Arazu's can, if you are fitting to tackle. Fitting a point + jammers is kind of silly. I've done it before just goofing around, definitely isn't a serious fit though. -------------------------- NOTR nsfw
Hoshi Eviction.	Posted - 2009.01.05 12:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Ralarina Recon Launcher (or sisters recon). Maybe an offlined scan probe launcher to find people in missions / deadspace easier? Doesn't work sadly. You would have to dock to switch between them. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.01.05 12:54:00 - [18] [Falcon, Gang Reconprobe] Signal Distortion Amplifier II Signal Distortion Amplifier II Co-Processor II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range 10MN MicroWarpdrive II BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I 'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I 'Umbra' I White Noise ECM Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Recon Probe Launcher I, Snoop Scanner Probe I Cynosural Field Generator I Medium Energy Neutralizer II Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Fits with recon 4 - Rage is Recruiting
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 13:06:00 - [19] Edited by: Rajere on 05/01/2009 13:07:01 Get Recon V before you try and fit a probe launcher, co-proc on a falcon is a disgrace and trust me I have some pretty comedic falcon losses. Fit a 3 SDA. Also you can drop the Sensor Booster since you're using scan time probes and have an ECM optimal of 160km. (not really, drop those scan time rigs for Particle Dispersion Projectors) -------------------------- NOTR nsfw
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.01.05 14:01:00 - [20] Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 05/01/2009 14:01:46 Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 05/01/2009 13:07:01 Get Recon V before you try and fit a probe launcher, co-proc on a falcon is a disgrace and trust me I have some pretty comedic falcon losses. Fit a 3 SDA. Also you can drop the Sensor Booster since you're using scan time probes and have an ECM optimal of 160km. (not really, drop those scan time rigs for Particle Dispersion Projectors) The sensor booster is there for the locktime rather, a falcon without one is more likely jammed by another falcon then a falcon with one and jamms targets before those kill your mates, it also keeps you in the fight when a arazu cuts you lockrange. The co-proc is a disgrace if you fit it something invaluable, but loosing maybe 2 jammstrength on your jammers makes up for being able to light cynos and drop probes. Also those scantime rigs are vital if youre using the probes, especially on a non scan bonused ship, it takes so much time off your scan duration. - Rage is Recruiting
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 14:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 05/01/2009 14:01:46 Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 05/01/2009 13:07:01 Get Recon V before you try and fit a probe launcher, co-proc on a falcon is a disgrace and trust me I have some pretty comedic falcon losses. Fit a 3 SDA. Also you can drop the Sensor Booster since you're using scan time probes and have an ECM optimal of 160km. (not really, drop those scan time rigs for Particle Dispersion Projectors) The sensor booster is there for the locktime rather, a falcon without one is more likely jammed by another falcon then a falcon with one and jamms targets before those kill your mates, it also keeps you in the fight when a arazu cuts you lockrange. The co-proc is a disgrace if you fit it something invaluable, but loosing maybe 2 jammstrength on your jammers makes up for being able to light cynos and drop probes. Also those scantime rigs are vital if youre using the probes, especially on a non scan bonused ship, it takes so much time off your scan duration. I can't tell if you are trolling me or not, but Quote: Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range doesn't help your lock time. Also sensor boosters are generally irrelevant. Whichever Falcon decloaks first is the first to get a lock, the other is still within their decloak recalibration delay. Your fit with Recon IV has more than 3 less jam strength than me. Actually you have about the same as a Griffin. A kitsune has 2 points higher than you do. You're also forgetting, I can also light a Cynos (and Covert Cynos), Probe, etc, however the difference is i'm not sacrificing my ability to Jam to do those things, so no, you're not making up for anything by fitting that co-proc. Those rigs are vital on a Covert Ops Frigate. At best with max skills you're still exactly twice as slow as one. So once again, all I said was "Get recon V," and you get all defensive trying to justify your crappy little shoehorned fit. How about you just train Recon V, your jamming will be better in every way, and you won't have to fit a freaking co-proc on a ship that's required to fit 3x SDAs in it's only 3 low slots. -------------------------- NOTR nsfw
Kira Pasisson M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2009.01.05 17:01:00 - [22] highs: 1x cov ops cloak, 1x cynogen, two slots for whatever meds: 5xracials, 1xmwd, 1xsensorbooster lows: 3xsig distortion rigs: 2x ecm range 0.0 setup, sensorbooster for lockrange, racials and rigs for max jamm-range...and yes, range is what u want on a falcon.... this is for all situations where u dont want to gank single ratters and it works charmingly
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.01.05 22:37:00 - [23] Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 05/01/2009 22:42:31 Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 05/01/2009 22:41:40 Originally by: Rajere Quote: Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range doesn't help your lock time. Should be obvious that you change the scripts for what you need. Originally by: Rajere So once again, all I said was "Get recon V," and you get all defensive trying to justify your crappy little shoehorned fit. How about you just train Recon V, your jamming will be better in every way, and you won't have to fit a freaking co-proc on a ship that's required to fit 3x SDAs in it's only 3 low slots. Ive given reasons to why i use the setup ive posted, seems like its you getting defensive here mate. About the co-proc or no co-proc, it really comes down to if you need that probelauncher and cyno or not, and ofc if you want to spend the 20+days for 3 jammstrength. Its situational and can be a silly shoehoern fit or the right tool for the right situation. For me the setup ive given works best for me, my alliance is currently sieging an system and that cyno came in handy many times, when hostile caps crash with aggro, or bses warp out to a safespot etc. etc. that probelauncher will come in handy too, and ill be glad i had that mod on me sacrificing 3 jammstrength leaving me with 11, which of course will still jamm a good amount of targets. Id be happy to have recon5 on this character, i have it on my other two but i simply have more important things to train for with this one, so its not an option for the moment. - Rage is Recruiting
steave435 Caldari SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.01.06 03:13:00 - [24] Edited by: steave435 on 06/01/2009 03:13:48 Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 05/01/2009 13:07:01 Get Recon V before you try and fit a probe launcher, co-proc on a falcon is a disgrace and trust me I have some pretty comedic falcon losses. Fit a 3 SDA. Also you can drop the Sensor Booster since you're using scan time probes and have an ECM optimal of 160km. (not really, drop those scan time rigs for Particle Dispersion Projectors) This just barely fits with recon 4, 625/625 cpu used: [Falcon, Probing] 'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I 'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I 'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM 'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I 'Umbra' I White Noise ECM F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Recon Probe Launcher I, Snoop Scanner Probe I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Particle Dispersion Projector I Particle Dispersion Projector I can't drop cynos or anything, but the probing isn't a problem. EDIT: typo
Cletus Graeme Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.01.06 08:43:00 - [25] Originally by: steave435 can't drop cynos or anything, but the probing isn't a problem. Fit an offlined cynogen and just swap between the prober and the cyno roles?
Tricky Blood	Posted - 2009.01.06 10:14:00 - [26] Ok I have gone with the following setup: Low Slots: Hypnos Signal Distortion Amplifier Hypnos Signal Distortion Amplifier Hypnos Signal Distortion Amplifier Medium Slots: BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM Hypnos Ion Field ECM Hypnos Ion Field ECM Umbra White Noise ECM Umbra White Noise ECM Hypnos Multispectral ECM High Slots: Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher Covert Ops Cloaking Device T2 Recon Probe Launcher Rigs: Targeting System Subcontroller Particle Dispersion Augmentor Now obviously the probe launcher will have to stay offline until I have recon 5 which is 20 days away but is worth the wait I would say

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