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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.12.31 16:54:00 -
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Does it present any issues and where do I get a good one?
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.31 17:32:00 -
[2]
 Originally by: Wendat Huron
Does it present any issues and where do I get a good one?
You can have good issues going into NOL-MI and shooting in local "SirMolle is HTE SUCK" or loggin Jita telling everybody tritanium is in shotage.
I didn't understand the question... 
Fetchez la vache !
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Lithyia Theia
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Posted - 2008.12.31 18:31:00 -
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it sounds like some kind of denial of service software, i hope it isnt 
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.12.31 18:34:00 -
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An Ip scrambler is a module, used by 1337 haxors to shut down your MWD and keep you from warping away.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.12.31 18:57:00 -
[5]
Get that nose here and I'll get a pen.
Does using a program designed to obscure your own IP present any problem with logging on to EVE?
Delenda est achura. |
Mithos Victus
Aurelius Federation
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.31 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Get that nose here and I'll get a pen.
Does using a program designed to obscure your own IP present any problem with logging on to EVE?
If you do not already have a scrambler, you were just compromised by posting on these forums anyways, so what does it matter?
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Cpt Lollercakes
Warriors of COAD
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Posted - 2008.12.31 19:16:00 -
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Why is noone asking the obvious, what does the OP have to hide?
I'm sure if you ask around the IRC channels that the murky hacking community live in, a large queue of people will offer to send you software.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.12.31 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Does using a program designed to obscure your own IP present any problem with logging on to EVE?
There isn't any way to "obscure" your IP except by using an anonymizer service.
An anonymizer service is a repackaged proxy/vpn service. Traffic is forwarded from your computer to a gateway in the middle before heading for the destination. It takes someone a bit longer to find out who you are. The penalty for using something like this is decreased performance (higher ping, increased dropped packets) and poor support for many games.
Trying to "hide" your ip is a waste of time.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2008.12.31 19:19:00 -
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An IP-scrambler or anonymizer routes your traffic through a proxy-server so that the site/game your accessing gets the IP address of the proxy-server instead of yours.
Proxy-servers are owned by persons and companies who have to pay for the bandwidth they use. Providing anonymous surfing and e-mail is cheap. Having people play games and download eats up massive amounts of bandwidth and is thus usually disabled.
Second, since proxy servers mess with the package in order to change the address, EVE may think you're messing around with cheat programs and disconnect you.
Third, if you weren't planning of using it for EVE, most programs have a simple on/off button.
Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.12.31 19:30:00 -
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Since we're heading for a fascist new world order where you have to submit to not draw suspicion and get branded with automatic guilt as a consequence, you being a duck and all.
Given all that I just want to make the witch hunters have to work some for their firewood.
Anyone with a good such service? I don't mind paying to mess with the man.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.12.31 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
...mess with the man.
What do you expect to gain? And why would anyone care?
About the only valid usage for these services would be to hide that vegetable fetish from the wife or to change skills from work.
If you're serious about this for a game, expect the cost to be about the same as you pay for telphone service + isp service. Otherwise all you're getting is something to surf naughty web pages.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.12.31 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Crackzilla
Originally by: Wendat Huron
...mess with the man.
What do you expect to gain? And why would anyone care?
About the only valid usage for these services would be to hide that vegetable fetish from the wife or to change skills from work.
If you're serious about this for a game, expect the cost to be about the same as you pay for telphone service + isp service. Otherwise all you're getting is something to surf naughty web pages.
File sharing would be the obvious answer.
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.12.31 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
File sharing would be the obvious answer.
Why don't you have a seat over here?
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.12.31 19:48:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Wendat Huron
File sharing would be the obvious answer.
Then it has nothing to do with Eve. Have the app configured to ignore Eve traffic. Simple.
Otherwise all you need is something that offers an anonymizer/vpn service, allows file transfers with very nice bandwidth allocations, and is out of the country. It'll probably be easier to just rent/purchase your own server in some data center somewhere.
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rValdez5987
Amarr
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil
Originally by: Wendat Huron
File sharing would be the obvious answer.
Why don't you have a seat over here?
I dont know but use any anonymous proxy to access 4 chan, and you will see exactly what people use them for in some cases.
CP.
So yes, lets reiterate.
Have a seat over there. lol
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Mithos Victus
Aurelius Federation
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.31 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Since we're heading for a fascist new world order where you have to submit to not draw suspicion and get branded with automatic guilt as a consequence, you being a duck and all.
Given all that I just want to make the witch hunters have to work some for their firewood.
Anyone with a good such service? I don't mind paying to mess with the man.
... and yet, not an original thought in all of that. Who served you this dish? Oh that's right, the man.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.31 19:51:00 -
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I bet if you logged on to your AOL and got into a coldice room, all your fantasies would come true.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Mr QUE
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.31 20:36:00 -
[18]
I farted
Woot |
ouroboros trading
Gallente
Medics On Fire
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:15:00 -
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when i am dragged into the ministry of love and made to confess about how sick I am then i'll confess.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.01 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mithos Victus
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Since we're heading for a fascist new world order where you have to submit to not draw suspicion and get branded with automatic guilt as a consequence, you being a duck and all.
Given all that I just want to make the witch hunters have to work some for their firewood.
Anyone with a good such service? I don't mind paying to mess with the man.
... and yet, not an original thought in all of that. Who served you this dish? Oh that's right, the man.
Who cares if it's original, it's not the same line as everyone else is nodding to.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.01.01 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 01/01/2009 03:31:45
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Mithos Victus
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Since we're heading for a fascist new world order where you have to submit to not draw suspicion and get branded with automatic guilt as a consequence, you being a duck and all.
Given all that I just want to make the witch hunters have to work some for their firewood.
Anyone with a good such service? I don't mind paying to mess with the man.
... and yet, not an original thought in all of that. Who served you this dish? Oh that's right, the man.
Who cares if it's original, it's not the same line as everyone else is nodding to.
/thread
I can't argue with that logic. 
Of course if you believe that someone is spying on you specifically, then you must also believe they have the power to crack any service to hide your identity. In that case the service is basically a tinfoil hat.
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a world without hate.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.01.01 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
In that case the service is basically a tinfoil hat.
But... but... but... tinfoil hats do work!
Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.01.01 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Khemul Zula
In that case the service is basically a tinfoil hat.
But... but... but... tinfoil hats do work!
And oh so stylish, too.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.01 12:00:00 -
[24]
If the man has enough time for you, he's not doing the job I gave him with enough vigor.
Also, this:
Originally by: Blastil
Why don't you have a seat over here?
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Something Random
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.01.01 12:01:00 -
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Does 'the man' see eve as a corrupting influence now ?
or is there something this guy isnt telling us ?
im confused.
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Tiger313
313th Squadron
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Posted - 2009.01.01 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Something Random
im confused.
Ditto.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.01 12:41:00 -
[27]
Chineese people from the FBI will attack earth from space with lasers.
True story.
Fetchez la vache !
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.01 12:52:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Crackzilla
Originally by: Wendat Huron
...mess with the man.
What do you expect to gain? And why would anyone care?
About the only valid usage for these services would be to hide that vegetable fetish from the wife or to change skills from work.
If you're serious about this for a game, expect the cost to be about the same as you pay for telphone service + isp service. Otherwise all you're getting is something to surf naughty web pages.
File sharing would be the obvious answer.
Wow, and people said I was paranoid for not wanting my real name exposed on Facebook.
As for Eve, there's no reason to hide your IP - you're not doing anything illegal and using a proxy will lag you terribly.
As for file sharing, if you want to do something illegal and decide it's worth the risks, then just freakin' do it. Fewer things annoy me more than people trying to make up long-winded excuses to justify their actions.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.01.01 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Since we're heading for a fascist new world order where you have to submit to not draw suspicion and get branded with automatic guilt as a consequence, you being a duck and all.
Given all that I just want to make the witch hunters have to work some for their firewood.
Playing Eve doesnt make you a terrorist unless your name is Mohammed. Then you are in trouble.
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Can you nano Titans?
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Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2009.01.01 14:02:00 -
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He's asking on behalf of someone I suppose.
Did their account get perma banned and now they wanna start again by hiding their IP from the GMs?
"Men are going to die... and i'm going to kill them" |
Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.01.01 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Lui Kai on 01/01/2009 14:21:39
Originally by: Miz Cenuij
He's asking on behalf of someone I suppose.
Did their account get perma banned and now they wanna start again by hiding their IP from the GMs?
That was my first bet.
Edit: Though I don't rule out paranoid schizophrenia.
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Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.01 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai
Edited by: Lui Kai on 01/01/2009 14:21:39
Originally by: Miz Cenuij
He's asking on behalf of someone I suppose.
Did their account get perma banned and now they wanna start again by hiding their IP from the GMs?
That was my first bet.
Edit: Though I don't rule out paranoid schizophrenia.
If he IS paranoid Schizophrenic, then is he asking how to protect himself from the GM's, or protect himself from the voices?
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AmosTrask
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.01 21:03:00 -
[33]
Linkage
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.01 21:35:00 -
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Hate to break it to the OP, but no one really gives a **** who you are or what your IP address is. If you are doing something illegal, "they" will catch you eventually. IP "scramblers" do not exist and being a script kiddie will never pay off.
I like how you claim to be an original, but then want to copy others work. GG, loser.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.01 23:59:00 -
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Now what about IP Webbers?
Secure 3rd party service |
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.02 01:03:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
Hate to break it to the OP, but no one really gives a **** who you are or what your IP address is. If you are doing something illegal, "they" will catch you eventually. IP "scramblers" do not exist and being a script kiddie will never pay off.
I like how you claim to be an original, but then want to copy others work. GG, loser.
Who the hell claimed to be an original on here? I suppose you want to manufacture and grow everything you use in your life yourself. Step off internet tough guy.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.02 01:08:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Kessiaan
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Crackzilla
Originally by: Wendat Huron
...mess with the man.
What do you expect to gain? And why would anyone care?
About the only valid usage for these services would be to hide that vegetable fetish from the wife or to change skills from work.
If you're serious about this for a game, expect the cost to be about the same as you pay for telphone service + isp service. Otherwise all you're getting is something to surf naughty web pages.
File sharing would be the obvious answer.
Wow, and people said I was paranoid for not wanting my real name exposed on Facebook.
As for Eve, there's no reason to hide your IP - you're not doing anything illegal and using a proxy will lag you terribly.
As for file sharing, if you want to do something illegal and decide it's worth the risks, then just freakin' do it. Fewer things annoy me more than people trying to make up long-winded excuses to justify their actions.
I don't get where you're coming from, the question was simple, does any such program conflict with EVE, answer was some come with a toggle. Now if someone would be kind enough to point me towards such software.
How I fileshare I think is pretty much up to me and any law enforcement with jurisdiction and manpower, my aim is to make it more work for them. Your notion of a daylight robbery approach has been noted and tossed aside.
Delenda est achura. |
Minny Sky
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Posted - 2009.01.02 02:47:00 -
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THEY are watching me
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Technomagez
Gallente
teeny tiny space pirates
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Posted - 2009.01.02 03:54:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Lui Kai
Edited by: Lui Kai on 01/01/2009 14:21:39
Originally by: Miz Cenuij
He's asking on behalf of someone I suppose.
Did their account get perma banned and now they wanna start again by hiding their IP from the GMs?
That was my first bet.
Edit: Though I don't rule out paranoid schizophrenia.
Most people have no static ips anyways, so no point in that....
I think he just wants to be "cool" and "paranoid", which equals "cool", in the "1337" worlds...
"Uh dude, I've been masking my ip now and my pc runs on risc."
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.02 04:06:00 -
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/dance
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3rr0rc0d3
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.02 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
How I fileshare I think is pretty much up to me and any law enforcement with jurisdiction and manpower, my aim is to make it more work for them. Your notion of a daylight robbery approach has been noted and tossed aside.
First off, wrong forum, and learn to quote, goddamnit!
Secondly, if you want to 'scramble' your IP for filesharing, use a decent torrent client which has encryption.
Hiding your IP only has use if you want to connect to something being logged or tracked, such as access points.
Even with the IP hidden, you will still send out the MAC adress, which can be traced once you connect again with the same NIC.
Last, but not least, if you want to stay anonymous on the interwebz, give it up... those days are long gone.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.02 09:53:00 -
[42]
Originally by: 3rr0rc0d3
Originally by: Wendat Huron
How I fileshare I think is pretty much up to me and any law enforcement with jurisdiction and manpower, my aim is to make it more work for them. Your notion of a daylight robbery approach has been noted and tossed aside.
First off, wrong forum, and learn to quote, goddamnit!
Secondly, if you want to 'scramble' your IP for filesharing, use a decent torrent client which has encryption.
Hiding your IP only has use if you want to connect to something being logged or tracked, such as access points.
Even with the IP hidden, you will still send out the MAC adress, which can be traced once you connect again with the same NIC.
Last, but not least, if you want to stay anonymous on the interwebz, give it up... those days are long gone.
It not being moved and being somewhat about EVE tells me it's the right forum, as for my quoting it looks good to me. Still no word on what that decent torrent client would be. It's like saying 'when fired upon take cover...' Behind an umbrella?
Not everyone on these forums is a tech geek.
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Plim
Gallente
Oursulaert Technology Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.02 10:45:00 -
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You want your telecommunications to remain anonymous, during a time of increasing surveillance from governments which are moving to the extreme right?
You must be an irrational lunatic and/or terrorist martian Bolshevik.
What next, you want the right to habeas corpus?
Wacko.
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:21:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Wendat Huron
I don't get where you're coming from, the question was simple, does any such program conflict with EVE, answer was some come with a toggle.
Honestly, this type of question leads me to believe you actually don't understand what the type of software you're after does.
It doesn't magically make you untraceable. It doesn't even really make you harder to trace for people who have the authority to legally trace you. It just makes it (very) marginally harder for script kids to screw with you, or for people casually trying to screw with you to look up your IP.
Yes, Eve would work fine with it - but you'll lag sideways. Thus why people are telling you to toggle it - IE: Turn it off - when trying to play eve.
It's your business if you want to use it - absolutely.
But from your comments, there's only two reasons you could want to remain anonymous from "the man"
1. You think the government is spying on everyone's online activities.
2. You're actually doing something illegal and concerned about being caught.
As to #1 - if you actually and genuinly believe a government could employ the necessary number of people to "e-spy" on every nonsensical thing every inconsequential **** on the internet types at each other - and actually manage to keep that fact a secret - then (and I'm not mocking you here, this is real advice) please make an appointment with a local councilor.
As to #2 - An IP scrambler wouldn't even slow down anyone who wanted to track anything you did beyond an hour or two. Those in authority to investigate crimes wouldn't bother to track your IP or where you'd been. They'd just call your ISP and tell them to log everything there - most major commercial ISPs would agree to without even a warrant.
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Ab Initio
Carpe Noctem Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:48:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Ab Initio on 02/01/2009 11:52:13
I used to play EVE from work (worked weekends) by using SSH tunneling out of our office network, to a socks proxy on my home ADSL connection. Even with the relatively low bandwidth on the home ADSL (1500/256), It ran without any problems at all.
The only real difference here, would be who you were connecting through, and the reason.
EDIT: It appears from many of your posts, that you have unrealistic expectations about "IP Scrambling". The simplest analogy I can think of for this technology would be:
* No IP masking = Having the post office deliver directly to your home address.
* IP Masking = Having a PO Box, and then having the post office forward from there to your home address.
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skulkandy
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.01.02 22:50:00 -
[46]
Edited by: skulkandy on 02/01/2009 22:51:33
my father lives in a state where fireworks are legal. A couple days before the 4th of july he was watching a story on cnn about the official Iranian web-site so he decided to visit it. Several hours later he did a search on google for local fireworks stores and went and picked himself up some goodies to celebrate the "independence" of our nation. (quotes to emphasize the idiocy of that term in relation to this country.)
later that week the fbi showed up at his door and interrogated him, his family....then went to his job and questioned them about him being a terrorist.
all because he went to a web-site owned by another country and then bought fireworks.
so they are watching and they are insanely paranoid and will infringe on your rights any time they even suspect you don't buy into their propaganda.
(this is all completely true)
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:52:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Crackzilla on 03/01/2009 00:54:01
Originally by: 3rr0rc0d3
you will still send out the MAC adress, which can be traced once you connect again with the same NIC.
The only one with access to the MAC would be the ISP/upstream router. Otherwise the MAC address is a non issue. There are other ways to track the connection.
Originally by: skulkandy
later that week the fbi showed up at his door and interrogated him, his family....then went to his job and questioned them about him being a terrorist.
Its called data mining. Garbage is feed into a system and junk is returned. Similiar tactics such as flagging individuals that check out certain books from the library. This isn't anything new. The best solution to "beat" the system is to clog it up with false positives and gibberish.
What you're seeing is just a fishing expedition. My preference is to insist on a warrant (if there is a search) then refuse to answer any questions. Force them to charge you or to let you go. Have your family trained to go through the same process.
You are under no obligation to answer questions (except maybe for a security clearance). Anything you say will be held against you. The best tactic is to say nothing.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:54:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Chribba
Now what about IP Webbers?
Nerfed. Only gets 60% of the address.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:57:00 -
[49]
Ah yes that alternative, is there any programs that let me surf automated when asleep and downloading harmless apps from just about anywhere to overload the system with crap?
I mean I can't be held accountable for what a program does when I'm asleep now can I. 
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Valan
The Fated
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Posted - 2009.01.03 01:20:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Crackzilla
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Does using a program designed to obscure your own IP present any problem with logging on to EVE?
There isn't any way to "obscure" your IP except by using an anonymizer service.
An anonymizer service is a repackaged proxy/vpn service. Traffic is forwarded from your computer to a gateway in the middle before heading for the destination. It takes someone a bit longer to find out who you are. The penalty for using something like this is decreased performance (higher ping, increased dropped packets) and poor support for many games.
Trying to "hide" your ip is a waste of time.
Plus most network admins block anonymizer sites. A new one won't be blocked straight away but when the filter engines find out about it an automated daily download should take care of it.
/start sig
I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.03 01:33:00 -
[51]
Ehh I dont think you are allowed to use IP scramblers... Only NPC's can, and really only in that one scout mission or that one station mission >.>
On topic. Whats wrong with TOR?
Or for websites, theres always stupidcensorship.com ...
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.01.03 01:39:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Crackzilla on 03/01/2009 01:43:08
Originally by: Valan
Plus most network admins block anonymizer sites.
Work network admins yes. ISP network admins no.
Originally by: Lance Fighter
On topic. Whats wrong with TOR?
Probably not suitable to run games. Would be somewhat rude considering the bandwidth we're talking between games and file transfers. If you're not going to pay for the content at least pay for the bandwidth.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.03 02:51:00 -
[53]
The guv'ment is on to you man, you gotta get outta here!
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.03 04:40:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
The guv'ment is on to you man, you gotta get outta here!
I would if I could, I'm stuck with a session change timer.
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Liliane Woodhead
Intergalactic Charwomen
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Posted - 2009.01.03 04:53:00 -
[55]
Aaaaaahhhhhhh 
Now i know why some of you have lag :)
Believe in your gouvernment. You have nothing to hide. Even in China they play Eve.
~ Ascii-Art by XYZ ~
Greetings to TFA, Reloaded , FLT, and surely Mohammed
Yours Woodhead.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.01.03 05:07:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Liliane Woodhead
Believe in your gouvernment. You have nothing to hide.
*sigh* So you wouldn't mind posting personal details and financial detail? At least this way you know who is looking at your information. Plus there is a process when individuals cross the line.
You have everything to hide. Your government should be a picture of openness.
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Liliane Woodhead
Intergalactic Charwomen
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Posted - 2009.01.03 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Crackzilla
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personal details
financial detail?
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No, Personal thoughts and financial tips, yes :)
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