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Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.01.01 16:48:00 - [1] I admit it. I was annoyed when they nerfed nano's. The nano Ishtar was my main ship. since the nerf I have been a big proponent of simply "Getting a domi" which was my second favorite ship. Well after a large amount of playing around in EFT and a few test flights on the test server I have come up with something that I am actually fairly happy with. The idea of this fit is to fight around the 20k range. A single tracking disruptor is generally enough to greatly decrease the DPS of any turret user. Missile users are a bit more difficult but still doable because of the dual MAR. The MWD should be used in pulses to maintain or stay out of range. The guns are simply for popping drones. For the record I still think the Ishtar needs a CPU and cap boost. [Ishtar, Dual MAR] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Optimal Range Disruption 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Ogre II x5 Ogre II x2 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5
Juelia Wolf	Posted - 2009.01.01 17:10:00 - [2] Can you run both MAR without cap mods?
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.01.01 17:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Juelia Wolf Can you run both MAR without cap mods? Not a chance. Cant even run 1 without boosters for a decent amount of time. If your fighting a BS and they have a heavy neut your best bet is to wait for the injector to cycle, get out of range and run like a sissy.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.01 17:29:00 - [4] Fit rails, AB and scan res scripts, then this ship is incredibly annoy to battleships. Although need a couple of you to break a BS if tanked.
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.01.01 17:36:00 - [5] Originally by: TimMc Fit rails, AB and scan res scripts, then this ship is incredibly annoy to battleships. Although need a couple of you to break a BS if tanked. Fitting a afterburner instead of a MWD means you loose the ability to dictate range. The point of this ship is to maintain a 20k distance between you and the targets. thats not to say that a sniper setup with rails thats fights outside of that range is a bad idea but its a totally different beast. I wanted to maintain the ability to tackle.
Cohkka Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.01.01 18:03:00 - [6] In general your approach on dictating range is quite the same as mine, but your setup doesn't seem very focused. You're trying to outrange the opponent with speed and TDs, but why are you so heavily reliant on the tank? I genuinely don't get what you're tying to do with it. Because for a solo vessel it doesn't have the qualitys to hold down runners and for the sole reason to deffend yourself it's not capeable of dealing with multiple targets. And you're right, the Ishtar is very short on CPU. You can't fit anything major into the hislots without screwing over the ballance of the medslots and a half decent tank. But it's still a very good ship so I ain't complaining. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Bironti	Posted - 2009.01.01 18:35:00 - [7] Honestly i don't have experience flying an ishtar but i tweaked with the op's setup. How would these work for small gang or fleets? small gang Medium Armor Repairer II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive II ECCM - Magnetometric II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I Ogre II x 5 Fleet Fits with a pg4 implant, was .50 short trying to fit a T2 afterburner. Medium Armor Repairer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners ECCM - Magnetometric II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I Ogre II x 5 Garde II x 5
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.01.01 18:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Cohkka In general your approach on dictating range is quite the same as mine, but your setup doesn't seem very focused. You're trying to outrange the opponent with speed and TDs, but why are you so heavily reliant on the tank? I genuinely don't get what you're tying to do with it. Because for a solo vessel it doesn't have the qualitys to hold down runners and for the sole reason to deffend yourself it's not capeable of dealing with multiple targets. And you're right, the Ishtar is very short on CPU. You can't fit anything major into the hislots without screwing over the ballance of the medslots and a half decent tank. But it's still a very good ship so I ain't complaining. Fair questions, I will try to answer them. The dual rep's will tank about 400 DPS. As far as I am concerned that is not very much. Pretty much anything larger then a cruiser will put that out. Because of that I wanted to find a way to reduce the overall amount of damage coming at me hence the tracking disruptors and maintaining range. As far as catching runners goes I don't really see a problem. The ship is maneuverable and agile and with pulsing the MWD I don't see a BS, BC or really even a cruiser getting farther out then 24k. If it does then in my opinion the pilot isn't paying attention. As far as dealing with multiple ships I have to disagree. This ship has to be FLOWN. Your not just going to be able to hit orbit and 20 and then go get a beer. The pilot has to make manual adjustments and maintain a good situational awareness. Put a tracking disruptor on both targets (Assuming they are turret ships) and pay close attention to range. Put on the second MAR if need be or run if your taking to much damage. I took out a pair of canes on the test server without to much trouble. But the thing is that I had to do a lot of manual adjusting on the fly which I think most eve pilots aren't used to. This fit isn't good against everything but in reality what is? Missile users WILL give you major problems unless they have a tank you can chew through fairly quick. Multiple targets will give any ship problems, not just this one. And also keep in mind we are talking about a cruiser hull here. It's a bit unfair to expect it to solo multiple targets with ease. Thank you for the reply and bringing up those points. Cheers!
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.01.01 18:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Bironti Honestly i don't have experience flying an ishtar but i tweaked with the op's setup. How would these work for small gang or fleets? small gang Medium Armor Repairer II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive II ECCM - Magnetometric II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I Ogre II x 5 Fleet Fits with a pg4 implant, was .50 short trying to fit a T2 afterburner. Medium Armor Repairer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners ECCM - Magnetometric II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I Ogre II x 5 Garde II x 5 I toyed around with the idea of a single rep and fitting a plate instead. My main issue with it is that the plate detracts from one of the main reasons to fly a HAC which is maneuverability.
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2009.01.01 19:02:00 - [10] looks good.. yeah I allso running dual rep setup because the 800mm plate would make it too heavy to chase ppl with. 3x 150mm ac, med neut, offline salvager mwd, warp disruptor, warp scram, webb, injector 2x mar, dcu, 2x navy eanm 2x rep amount rigs with a TD, sensorbooster, eccm and second webb in cargo to refit for fights
Cohkka Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.01.02 01:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Ignatious Mei ... Cheers! Well I guess we just have completly diffrent styles. I approached my fitting from a completly diffrent point of view, but this sounds good, too. It's better to be happy with your own fitting rather than using someone others, though. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
DubanFP Caldari R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2009.01.02 01:22:00 - [12] You'll just get toasted by a hurricane, brutix, or harbinger. HACs are just way to expensive for the price when it comes to straitfoward fighting. _______________ "It's not about the look of your ship or the size of your guns. It's about how much **** you can @#$# up with it"
Katy Karkinoff Minmatar Psycho Chicks	Posted - 2009.01.02 01:41:00 - [13] Originally by: DubanFP You'll just get toasted by a hurricane, brutix, or harbinger. HACs are just way to expensive for the price when it comes to straitfoward fighting. then you're an idiot for not reading what the OP said in this thread: you need to manually pilot your ship. OFC a hac will not be as good as a BC when you get right up next to something and start shooting till someone dies. However i'd love to see a cane fly circles around ships kiting them and evading damage. Its not going to happen. Guess that means hacs aren't for braindead morons. Hmm.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.02 01:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Ignatious Mei Originally by: Cohkka In general your approach on dictating range is quite the same as mine, but your setup doesn't seem very focused. You're trying to outrange the opponent with speed and TDs, but why are you so heavily reliant on the tank? I genuinely don't get what you're tying to do with it. Because for a solo vessel it doesn't have the qualitys to hold down runners and for the sole reason to deffend yourself it's not capeable of dealing with multiple targets. And you're right, the Ishtar is very short on CPU. You can't fit anything major into the hislots without screwing over the ballance of the medslots and a half decent tank. But it's still a very good ship so I ain't complaining. Fair questions, I will try to answer them. The dual rep's will tank about 400 DPS. As far as I am concerned that is not very much. Pretty much anything larger then a cruiser will put that out. Because of that I wanted to find a way to reduce the overall amount of damage coming at me hence the tracking disruptors and maintaining range. As far as catching runners goes I don't really see a problem. The ship is maneuverable and agile and with pulsing the MWD I don't see a BS, BC or really even a cruiser getting farther out then 24k. If it does then in my opinion the pilot isn't paying attention. As far as dealing with multiple ships I have to disagree. This ship has to be FLOWN. Your not just going to be able to hit orbit and 20 and then go get a beer. The pilot has to make manual adjustments and maintain a good situational awareness. Put a tracking disruptor on both targets (Assuming they are turret ships) and pay close attention to range. Put on the second MAR if need be or run if your taking to much damage. I took out a pair of canes on the test server without to much trouble. But the thing is that I had to do a lot of manual adjusting on the fly which I think most eve pilots aren't used to. This fit isn't good against everything but in reality what is? Missile users WILL give you major problems unless they have a tank you can chew through fairly quick. Multiple targets will give any ship problems, not just this one. And also keep in mind we are talking about a cruiser hull here. It's a bit unfair to expect it to solo multiple targets with ease. Thank you for the reply and bringing up those points. Cheers! what about after sig radius reduction? I would imagine that a cruise raven would be rather easy to tank, and a torp raven even easier, with a dual mar hac. now what about a nighthawk, or drake. oh and time to nerf tds!
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.01.02 02:54:00 - [15] Originally by: DubanFP You'll just get toasted by a hurricane, brutix, or harbinger. HACs are just way to expensive for the price when it comes to straitfoward fighting. None of those ships you mentioned are fast enough to get within web range of a Ishtar if the pilot is paying attention. Once again, this is not a "Hit approach and turn your guns on" ship. It requires the pilot to be active in actually flying it. I successfully popped 2 hurricanes at the same time in this fit and neither were able to get anywhere close to web range. All I did was watch my orbit range, pulse the MWD when they hit theirs to try to close the gap and kept a TD on each. I never even had to turn on my second rep.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.02 09:20:00 - [16] EVery BS will be doing greatly reduced damage to an ishtar provided its not MWD'ing around, so that 400 dps can well mean 1 or 2 BS'es tanked. AB all the way, you need the cap to rep and the fittings for guns.. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Lady Valory Caldari Caldari Strike Force PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.01.02 11:32:00 - [17] Have you tried dread guristas 200mm rail guns? They are easy to fit and let you have range AND let you use the medium hybrid damage bonus...
Wideen Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.01.02 13:49:00 - [18] I'd fit 280mm artillery II... great range and alpha, perfect for those smaller ships
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.01.02 15:25:00 - [19] Originally by: Sokratesz EVery BS will be doing greatly reduced damage to an ishtar provided its not MWD'ing around, so that 400 dps can well mean 1 or 2 BS'es tanked. AB all the way, you need the cap to rep and the fittings for guns.. The problem with a afterburner is that it doesn't net you enough speed to stay in range or out of range of pretty much any ship with a MWD. A MWD is a must for a setup like this.
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.01.02 15:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Lady Valory Have you tried dread guristas 200mm rail guns? They are easy to fit and let you have range AND let you use the medium hybrid damage bonus... I can't see 3 200MM rails with no damage mods adding a worthwhile amount of DPS. Plus they will have a harder time hitting drones up close which on a ship like this is one of the main points of having guns.
n0thing Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:12:00 - [21] Only viable "wont-die-from-first-bigger-ship" setup is either tweaked nano with heavies or nano cloak with sentries. MAR setups are pointless due to jamming/most of targets have friends nearby. Any bigger ship + anything else will end you in matter of seconds. ---
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:21:00 - [22] Originally by: n0thing Only viable "wont-die-from-first-bigger-ship" setup is either tweaked nano with heavies or nano cloak with sentries. MAR setups are pointless due to jamming/most of targets have friends nearby. Any bigger ship + anything else will end you in matter of seconds. Please explain how? If you maintain a orbit of 20k even if a BS manages to get a heavy neut cycle off on you the cycle time is so long YOU can cycle your injector and get out of range? What bigger ship other then a nano goes faster then 1200 and can close the distance to the Ishtar? Are you saying that the fit isnt good because a large ship and a falcon will defeat it? Ok seriously, That means that 99 percent of ships suck if your going to use that logic. How about this. You tell me what ship and fit it is you have in mind that can take 2-3 ships by itself when the other side has falcon support.

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