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Venetian Tar SkillzKillz United For 0rder	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:16:00 - [31] Edited by: Venetian Tar on 02/01/2009 16:16:28 Originally by: Sebea <Snip> Fix your junk Let's not turn this into an insult fest please. It's something that has been reported a few times, and my ISP is fine, my CPU is also fine. I've reset my router quite a few times, rebooted, re-installed Eve, etc. Gain your facts before jumping up to try and chew my head off. -Edit; I fail at quoting.
Michelle Raynor Caldari The Legion of Darkness Band of Renegades	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:20:00 - [32] easy solution would be something like starting to get a clue after loosing 35 hh2s. like get a GUNship but hell no lets poast on the forums about it thinking u would get a eve-patch sooner as a GUNship /facepalm
Venetian Tar SkillzKillz United For 0rder	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:23:00 - [33] Originally by: Michelle Raynor easy solution would be something like starting to get a clue after loosing 35 hh2s. like get a GUNship but hell no lets poast on the forums about it thinking u would get a eve-patch sooner as a GUNship /facepalm Can no-one post constructively? And, in all honesty. I like using drones, and I like using blaster boats. But when it comes to a restricted market in 0.0, you make do with what you have. I did not come here to be flamed, or to flame, save it for COAD.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:29:00 - [34] Originally by: Michelle Raynor easy solution would be something like starting to get a clue after loosing 35 hh2s. like get a GUNship but hell no lets poast on the forums about it thinking u would get a eve-patch sooner as a GUNship /facepalm Wow, just, wow. If the proposed solution to fixing a problem is "fly a different type of ship" then it should be pretty clear that there's something of a problem with said shiptype. But really, all races ships that are bigger then a cruiser can fit a full flight of drones, which means that this is not just a problem affecting gallente. As far as missile users being worse of then drone users, come on, you can't be serious can you? That has got to be the first time I've seen a dev seriously troll a topic. There's a huge, HUGE difference between losing 3000isk in missiles when you have another 5000 of them in your cargo, and losing a 5mil flight of drones when you've no way of replacing them short of warping to the nearest station and hoping that they have some for sale. Hell I'd be happy if it were just changed so that drones don't get aggro when we disconnect (and FFS EVERYONE disconnects now and then, between client bugs, ISP issues and other crap people have no control over, so stop acting like the OP is the only one who ever DCs). At least then we could go and scoop our drones if we wanted to spend the time on it.
Cassius Longinus Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:30:00 - [35] I think a "recall all drones" option for drones on grid which belong to you would be generally a good idea, and I can't think of any significant harms which would come from it. It certainly would help people who disconnect a lot (I don't). I can see how it may be a coding problem depending on how "things in space" are linked to each other, and how "abandoned" drones are differentiated from drones which are simply warped away from, but that's the programmers problem. :) Meh.
Michelle Vega	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:31:00 - [36] Nice to see this topic. I have the exact same issue ever since the QR patch. I fly a Kronos and use drones for the smaller ships. I get disconnected about 3-4 times in a span of a few hours. And while I am doing level 4 missions, by the time I get back and close enough to the drones, they get popped. My solution for now is to use normal T1 drones instead, as I was losing millions in T2 drones. I haven't filed a complaint since I was not sure if it was me or something else. I've tried playing with 3 different computers and different ISPs and the result is always the same. Try using T1 drones until CCP figure out what the problem might be. :)
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:35:00 - [37] Originally by: Venetian Tar Can no-one post constructively? And, in all honesty. I like using drones, and I like using blaster boats. But when it comes to a restricted market in 0.0, you make do with what you have. I did not come here to be flamed, or to flame, save it for COAD. In all honesty there is a seperate forum section for discussing new ideas, that is more heavily moderated and people are generally contructive. Post there if you are just interested in changing the mechanics that drones use. Generally when you post an idea and want to discuss it, expect oppinions that don't aggree with you. When posting your idea in general discussions, expect some of those oppinions to be less constructive.
mrspiggy Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Sebea Originally by: Tabare Vazquez I'd like to see larger drone bays in general, to allow for more variety and spare flights. All other weapon types can easily change their optimal range and damage type (well not all but yeah) by loading a different type of ammo, drone users are generally stuck with their one flight of drones and when it's lost it's lost, no more drone DPS. I would like you to name the ship in EVE that uses drones as its primary weapons system, but still only fits one flight please? Also, to the guy who Dc'd 7 frickin times, no, its just you, there is no client side problem, that "some of us are having". If your crashing 7 times, you, your ISP, or your CPU are doing something terribly wrong. If there was a decent percentage of people crashing out of game, there would be a giant flame fest on these very forums crying for CCP to be burned at the stake. Fix your junk Boy must you feel stupid, Mr KnowItAll
Nightsabre Caldari T-Cells	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:37:00 - [39] Clear your cache, delete the IP labeled folders in the MachoNet folder. Doing this regularly can have serious improvements to not only connection, but client performance, and login times!
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2009.01.02 18:02:00 - [40] You know, I don't see a reason why drones can't automatically be given the order to "return to drone bay" when you INITIATE warp. I've forgotten my drones out in space on numerous occasions. Caldari Nationalist Party
Noriko Rei	Posted - 2009.01.02 18:14:00 - [41] An Atropos drive-by can turn a perfectly harmless whine thread into an emoragequit in under 3 pages.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.02 18:16:00 - [42] Originally by: CCP Atropos Have you, by chance, bug reported this? If it's as widespread as you're implying, it would be good to get what information we can, so that we can fix it... Yes you naughty players! Its all your fault! SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.02 18:22:00 - [43] i dont find it annoying in pvp, as if u do get dc there for any reason your gonna lose more than your drones, i do find it annoying that if you dc in say a mission or ratting your drones get shot at by the rats.. make it if player is off grid, npc dont shoot drones! poor lil buggers :(
Daoi Sith	Posted - 2009.01.02 18:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Kessiaan Edited by: Kessiaan on 02/01/2009 14:30:21 I call this 'The Drone Tax' Other races spend little bits of ISK continuously as they pewpew with their guns. If you use drones mostly, you spend lots of ISK when you DC (or BSOD, which is usually what happens for me) and very little otherwise. And yes, it sucks, and it's bull****, but it'll never get changed, because it would be exploited and this is somehow game breaking. this /thread the ammo is free in a drone, the dps is "free". for people with normal non-crashing clients and stable internet connections, this tax is not too bad. solve the underlying problem. yes the client can be unstable but not THAT unstable running two clients on same machine with the latest patch is not advisable
Venetian Tar SkillzKillz United For 0rder	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:13:00 - [45] Edited by: Venetian Tar on 02/01/2009 19:14:36 Failed post.. Edited.. And now, you are reading my signature. -Venetian Tar. -[B-E-G-I-N]---[S-I-G-N-A-T-U-R-E]---[H-E-R-E]- Signature for sale. Convo me.
Venetian Tar SkillzKillz United For 0rder	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:17:00 - [46] Edited by: Venetian Tar on 02/01/2009 19:17:15 Originally by: Daoi Sith Originally by: Kessiaan Edited by: Kessiaan on 02/01/2009 14:30:21 <Snip> Quote: <Snip> the ammo is free in a drone, the dps is "free". <Snip> running two clients on same machine with the latest patch is not advisable A) Drone's are not free. B) I don't dual client. No reason to. Edit; I really DO fail at quoting :(
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:19:00 - [47] Edited by: Gunnanmon on 02/01/2009 19:19:15 On a serious note, though, I never get disconnected, so you must be getting my allocation \o/ The Ghost-training vote thread
Dmian Gallente Gallenterrorisme	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Venetian Tar I haven't bug reported it, but I know others have. The last bug report I did got "lost"... Sorry to say this, but this is the problem. The rest is just a rant that shouldn't interest anyone. Have you scalated the "lost" petition? Have you repeated the petition, to speed things up? You say "I have problems with CCP's program," but you haven't told anyone in CCP who can help you, and you want them to fix it? They depend on your feedback to solve problems. If you don't cooperate, they don't have a clue what's happening. Do yourself a favor, file a proper petition. Go to the Issues, Workarounds & Localization forum, put your problem there or look for threads with similar problems. Try to see if ohter people have the same problem, try to figure out what may be the cause, try to put important information so devs may have a clue at what's happening and can do something about it. In the long term, they might find the problem and fix it, your gaming experience will radically improve and you'll be happier playing the game, and will not feel the need to put a thread like this in the forums again (I hope.) And if you still think that, besides your disco problems, something must be done about drones, go to Features and Ideas Discussion and put a post there. The relevant devs might see it and really consider it. Hope this info helps. Regards. ---- Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here
Ulasim Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:30:00 - [49] Originally by: Sebea Originally by: Tabare Vazquez I'd like to see larger drone bays in general, to allow for more variety and spare flights. All other weapon types can easily change their optimal range and damage type (well not all but yeah) by loading a different type of ammo, drone users are generally stuck with their one flight of drones and when it's lost it's lost, no more drone DPS. I would like you to name the ship in EVE that uses drones as its primary weapons system, but still only fits one flight please? Also, to the guy who Dc'd 7 frickin times, no, its just you, there is no client side problem, that "some of us are having". If your crashing 7 times, you, your ISP, or your CPU are doing something terribly wrong. If there was a decent percentage of people crashing out of game, there would be a giant flame fest on these very forums crying for CCP to be burned at the stake. Fix your junk Vexor Typhoon Geddon Megathron, drones are an important part of there damage and they can't carry a set of spares
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:45:00 - [50] A DC isn't a straightforward thing, there are so many reasons that could cause it and it's one of the reasons I don't have a wireless connection to my router. Since changing to wired on my DSL router, my connection is really stable. Some may not be able to avoid this, for example Wireless may be the only type of internet connection between you and the ISP you have avialable in your area. I had one of thse in Manila and the tech is still in it's infancy with signal loss and interferance being prime causes of major bandwidth drops. There isn't anything CCP can do for anyone in that position. Drones could be insta-recalled to the ship in the event of a DC and missiles continue to their target or any missiles in flight get loaded back into the missile bay as if they were never fired. A DC is often caused by something outside the players influence. It's only fair that they should not have to forfeit because of this problem. I have always said that, since CCP decided to have a logoff timer if they are in PVP Combat, it should allow the ship to keep firing and drones to continue to operate as if the player were still logged in. If they were actually winning and the DC was outside their control, why should they now lose the encounter because their internet connection had a hiccup? -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
crazyiven Brotherhood of Soban	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:48:00 - [51] Just let us know where you are disconnecting at. Ill come scoop them up for you. I don't think its wide spreed issue. None of the people I play with have ever had an issue with getten the boot. just had to chime in, and I'm caldari, also have all that great gallente stuff maxed out.
offcopy	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:53:00 - [52] Originally by: CCP Atropos I think I've just opened a can of worms, oh god, how do I put them back you don't, you going fishing lol. ok as for your drones if you know your going to diconect then don't use them, live by the rule of eve only use what you can aford to loss and the drones on my market are all less then 1m isk each so not that costly. but i would like more caldari ships to have drone bays then my 4m odd skill pointsin drones would be usefull.
Darklorden Blades Of EVE DENIED ACCESS	Posted - 2009.01.02 20:03:00 - [53] Originally by: mrspiggy ----- ... ----- Boy must you feel stupid, Mr KnowItAll Don't wanna bash the Dev but the quoted thread do show that this isn't some unknown bug that never has been reported before. I suggest that the OP read through this thread and try out the few solutions in there. Seemed to work for some. Good luck. - - - - - -= Hunger is the perfect motivator for those who are lazy by nature =- -= It is nice to be important, but it is more important to be nice =-
Phantom Slave JUDGE DREAD Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.02 20:41:00 - [54] For the people getting DC'd and not filing bug reports...I hope you lose all your ships. Every last one of them. How do you expect CCP to fix something that you aren't giving them a bug report for? So what if there's 10 other people that have reported the bug, your system may hold the key to fixing it. Either that or they'll find something in common with your system, and can find a solution. Don't ask CCP to fix something, but not give them the information they need. That's like calling a mechanic and telling him your car won't start, but he's not allowed to see the car to find the problem. How is he supposed to fix it? ____________________ My main IS my alt. Confused yet?
Armoured Gamer Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.02 20:50:00 - [55] simple awnser stop trying to mission run while you internet is messed up or you know yoruself you will incur the loss, i am gallente and i have no p[roblem with this i think this is darwinism at a good strech as once you loose you second set dont you think you should just give up
Venetian Tar SkillzKillz United For 0rder	Posted - 2009.01.02 20:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Armoured Gamer simple awnser stop trying to mission run while you internet is messed up or you know yoruself you will incur the loss, i am gallente and i have no p[roblem with this i think this is darwinism at a good strech as once you loose you second set dont you think you should just give up Learn to comprehend BASIC english before posting. It's not a problem with my internet. I'm not running missions, i'm RATTING up my sec. Wow, I hate asking for advice on these forums.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.02 21:06:00 - [57] let me guess everything else it on the internet fine when you get kicked trafic shaping ?
Johannis Amarr Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2009.01.02 21:12:00 - [58] I've had frequent disconnects, as well ("socket lost") though only on my desktop. WWW works, but will soon go down, as well. Resetting the router (and possibly the modem, repeated if necessary) usually returns the connection. My laptop is somewhat stable over a cell phone connection, though its computing power and connection speed both are not exactly stellar. Both run on the same version of Vista, with identical firewalls.
Venetian Tar SkillzKillz United For 0rder	Posted - 2009.01.02 21:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Johannis I've had frequent disconnects, as well ("socket lost") though only on my desktop. WWW works, but will soon go down, as well. Resetting the router (and possibly the modem, repeated if necessary) usually returns the connection. My laptop is somewhat stable over a cell phone connection, though its computing power and connection speed both are not exactly stellar. Both run on the same version of Vista, with identical firewalls. Might be Vista then. Premium Version? 32bit?
chatgris	Posted - 2009.01.02 21:38:00 - [60] Originally by: Sebea Also, to the guy who Dc'd 7 frickin times, no, its just you, there is no client side problem, that "some of us are having". If your crashing 7 times, you, your ISP, or your CPU are doing something terribly wrong. If there was a decent percentage of people crashing out of game, there would be a giant flame fest on these very forums crying for CCP to be burned at the stake. Fix your junk I'm going to have to disagree on this... on some days, eve will disconnect 6-7 times in a day of play with "Socket Closed" or similar messages, when the rest of the next (including connections to myeve.eve-online.com are working). My computer isn't a spyridden POS either, I don't use windows for anything but playing eve and a few other well known off the shelf (read, not some dodgy download that may contain virus's) games. No other game performs this way. But what I am going to do? Petition "Hey guys, I got disconnected again". At least lately it seems that on disconnect you get rewarped back INSIDE the gates when you disconnect, instead of (this is horrible on AE with 5 gates) starting from the first gate again.

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