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Deva Blackfire
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2009.01.04 11:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Spike 68
several of those ships are crazy overpowered. Also we already have faction scorps and geddons. 
Show me faction geddon other than Imperial Issue. Hint: bhaalgorn is an apocalypse (just using geddon model).
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.01.04 14:12:00 -
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seriously, dude... you're almost doubling the domi damage, tripling the drone damage of a phoon and it's simply 5 times as much drone output as the "usual" 75m¦ drones
granted, it's not as borked as the effective x3.5 of the moros but that bonus is the first to go once capitals get their long-due revision
as for the scorpion... +10%HP bonus...
- and you want to project that onto a battleship.
- one with faction-typical HP, to boot.
- and then back that up with more low slots.
- and let's not forget that it "tanks" with ECM on top of that
the damnation is insanely out of whack due to combining its 10%HP bonus with 1600mm rolled, trimarks, ganglinks and the mindlink; i can tank at least five(!) doomsdays "at the same time" with just a tad bit of heat on the thermic hardener and (apart from the mindlink) nothing else fancy..
you're cumulating in very much the same way
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Letifer Deus
A Astroid Belt
Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.04 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 04/01/2009 20:47:48
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
seriously, dude... you're almost doubling the domi damage
Do they not teach math in school anymore? I will break it down for you.
50% bonus at lvl five BS -> 5 drones x 1.5 = 7.5 drones effective
swapping this bonus for +1 drones per lvl @ lvl 5 BS -> 10 drones
10/7.5 = 1.333 = 33.3% drone damage increase.
33.3% is not equal to or even close to 100%.
Once again, that's thirty-three point three percent (33.3%)
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and you want to project that onto a battleship.
The scorp does not have the naturally boosted resistances of the damnation, or it's 25% resistance bonus from skills. That being said it would have awesome tanking potential.
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and let's not forget that it "tanks" with ECM on top of that
I changed the ECM str bonus to 5% launcher rof. Still not sure about that one though. Even if it had the ECM bonus, fitting 2 or more ECM would severely reduce its tanking abilities.
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and you want to project that onto a battleship.
I've thought about it, I've done the math. Based on your insistence that I've "nearly doubled" the domi's damage you probably haven't done one, the other, or both. I base this on the fact that you either can't divide 10/7.5, or you really don't think things through before you post them, because you didn't see that the 10% drone hp/dmg is replaced by +1 drone, not added to it.
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the damnation is insanely out of whack due to combining its 10%HP bonus with 1600mm rolled, trimarks, ganglinks and the mindlink
It's only insanely out of whack in it's ability to take a lot of damage before it pops. Bait cyno damnations are great, but I wouldn't consider the ship a PvP powerhouse.
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you're cumulating in very much the same way
You say this like it was not my intent.
Originally by: Spike 68
several of those ships are crazy overpowered.
None of them are even close to crazy overpowered. If I had added a mid to the arma and left it's drone bay/bandwidth at 125, THAT would be crazy overpowered. If I had swapped the domi turret dmg bonus for the +1 drones per lvl (giving it the effectiveness of 15 drones) THAT would be crazy overpowered.
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Also we already have faction scorps and geddons.
Deva already answered this one.
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Leviathan9
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.05 09:08:00 -
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Edited by: Leviathan9 on 05/01/2009 09:09:02
Originally by: Letifer Deus
Gallente Navy Dominix
10% bonus to drone hitpoint/damage per lvl changed to +1 extra drone controlled per lvl
drone bandwidth: 250 Mbit/sec
st/ar/sh: 9961/9316/8203
sig. str.: 25
I'd so buy that... though for lag issues that people complain about, you could just give it the same bonus as a moros, 50% dmg per level.
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darkmancer
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Posted - 2009.01.05 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: darkmancer on 05/01/2009 16:21:17
If your going to add more ships you may as well make them interesting:
Navy ships get x1.3 hitpoints,
teir 1 ships price around same as the current navy
teir 3 get + 1 slot, cost 1.3 - 1.5 x current navy
Navy Rokh
+ 1 mid
+5% resist -> 10 % optimal
Reach out and touch someone. The ultimate sniper ship, also allows a sensible tackle fit on a Blokh.
Navy Scorp
+1 launcher
17% ecm burst activation activation time & cap use /lvl
20% ecm burst strength & optimal / lvl
Ultimate heavy tackler? qiuite capable of disabling and enemy gang, quite capable of disabling your own too. Bonus's do not apply to regular ecm.
Navy Domi
+1 extra drone / lvl
+20% tracking & optimal
(no drone health bonus's)
awsome drone damage from both heavy & sentry, those drones are looking awful fragile now thou.
Navy hyperion
+10% web strenght / lvl
+5% rof
+1 low
navy armageddon
-18% energy neut cap use/ lvl
-10% energy neut rof
navy abaddon
+10% tracking disruptor / lvl
-20 energy turret cap use / lvl
+1 mid
Typhoon fleet I.
+150% afterburner speed /lvl
+5% project & missile damage.
Maelstorm fleet I.
+7.5% rof
+10% falloff
+1 mid
Still missing EOM & Concorde bs too :(
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Deva Blackfire
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2009.01.05 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: darkmancer
navy armageddon
-18% energy neut cap use/ lvl
-10% energy neut rof
We have one nosf-faction boat (bhaal) already. Its enough (+ its crap anyways, loltastic DPS and only good in 1-2 scenarions).
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Letifer Deus
A Astroid Belt
Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.05 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 05/01/2009 18:05:56
Originally by: darkmancer
Reach out and touch someone. The ultimate sniper ship, also allows a sensible tackle fit on a Blokh.
Regardless of whether people put blasters on them or not, Rokhs are not meant to use blasters they are meant to use rails.
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Ultimate heavy tackler? qiuite capable of disabling and enemy gang, quite capable of disabling your own too. Bonus's do not apply to regular ecm.
This makes me think of the orc that carries the torch into the gunpowder at Helms Deep. The other problem is you've basically given that scorp four bonuses, not two.
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Navy Domi
+1 extra drone / lvl
+20% tracking & optimal
(no drone health bonus's)
awsome drone damage from both heavy & sentry, those drones are looking awful fragile now thou.
Similar to mine except drone tracking and optimal bonus. Although 20% per level might be a little much. 100% bonus to opti and tracking plus 3 omni links would be pretty crazy. With 3 omnis and 2 sentry dmg rigs you would have 94km optimal, .113 tracking and 718 dps from a rack of Garde 2s.
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Navy hyperion
+10% web strenght / lvl
+5% rof
+1 low
I wouldn't be totally against this. I hate active tanking blaster boats.
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navy abaddon
+10% tracking disruptor / lvl
-20 energy turret cap use / lvl
+1 mid
This one makes zero sense to me. You take an amazing PvP boat and turn it into an EW Apoc. Amarr have what they need for TDs, and they are quite excellent.
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Typhoon fleet I.
+150% afterburner speed /lvl
+5% project & missile damage.
Woah. 150% per level? So 918.75% boost at lvl5 BS?! Here's one that what's his/her name can whine about being crazy OP.
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Maelstorm fleet I.
+7.5% rof
+10% falloff
+1 mid
This ship suffers, to me, the same problem as a lot of your other suggestions: it is significantly different from its original version. Your rokh is now a blaster boat. The hyp and maelstrom are no longer active tankers. The high DPS, huge buffer tank abaddon is now basically an EW apoc.
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Letifer Deus
A Astroid Belt
Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.05 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 05/01/2009 18:07:01
Originally by: Letifer Deus
I'd so buy that... though for lag issues that people complain about, you could just give it the same bonus as a moros, 50% dmg per level.
I mean, seriously? How do people keep not getting this. +1 drones is not equal, or even close to 50% dmg per lvl. 50% damage per lvl gives the equivalent of 17.5 drones, +1 drones per lvl gives ten drones. 17.5 is not equal to 10.
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Uhr Zylex
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
Blade.
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Posted - 2009.01.05 19:58:00 -
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signed
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Omu Negru
Caldari
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.01.05 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Omu Negru on 05/01/2009 19:59:03
why not faction BC?
why not droping the faction cruisers prices too? 270K LP is too much... (all the faction cruisers from market come from BPCs dropped by npc).
why not ballancing all the faction items. Some of them are usless to buy.
Anyway. Good idea. Still I think this is and will remain just a dream.
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Deva Blackfire
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2009.01.05 21:45:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Omu Negru
(all the faction cruisers from market come from BPCs dropped by npc).
You are SO wrong on this one (and yes im talking bout pirate ones)
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m3talc0re X
Caldari
Heavens Gate Consortium
Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.06 00:27:00 -
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Blah blah blah..
I skipped over most of the posts...
However, I would kill for a Caldari Navy Rokh XD
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Letifer Deus
A Astroid Belt
Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.06 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Omu Negru
why not faction BC?
No reason, I simply haven't made any up yet.
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why not droping the faction cruisers prices too? 270K LP is too much...
I don't think the prices are terrible on the cruisers, maybe a tiny bit, but not much.
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why not ballancing all the faction items. Some of them are usless to buy.
Good idea.
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Anyway. Good idea. Still I think this is and will remain just a dream.
Unfortunately, I also doubt more faction BS or faction BCs will come in any time soon. I really don't get why, it is not that hard to come out with reasonably balanced specs. If I can do it (to some extent), I don't see why someone at CCP can't sit down with a six pack of beer or a bottle of whatever Icelanders drink and come up with some well polished ships to throw on SISI for testing.
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Lando Tradetard
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Posted - 2009.01.06 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Letifer Deus
Originally by: Omu Negru
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Unfortunately, I also doubt more faction BS or faction BCs will come in any time soon. I really don't get why, it is not that hard to come out with reasonably balanced specs. If I can do it (to some extent), I don't see why someone at CCP can't sit down with a six pack of beer or a bottle of whatever Icelanders drink and come up with some well polished ships to throw on SISI for testing.
tbh i can live with no more faction bs, but bcs would truely be awesome.
but imho they should take care of the existing factionships, especially cruisers, first. pirate faction cruisers are total fail... thinking of the ashimmu, cynabal,...
also icelanders drink BRENNIVIN!
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Letifer Deus
A Astroid Belt
Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.06 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lando Tradetard
tbh i can live with no more faction bs, but bcs would truely be awesome.
Tier 1 faction BS I could certainly live without, but I would really like to see some faction tier 3s. Faction tier 2 BCs would also be pretty dang slick.
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but imho they should take care of the existing factionships, especially cruisers, first. pirate faction cruisers are total fail... thinking of the ashimmu, cynabal,...
Vigilant is pretty mediocre, too.
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also icelanders drink BRENNIVIN!
Schnapps?! I remove that part then, said faction ship making CCP man isn't allowed to sit down with a bottle of schnapps. 
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Revan Crow
Minmatar
Corellian Business Tycoons
Southern Connection
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:00:00 -
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Typhoon Fleet Issue.
bit more armor, 1 more lowslot, maybe even another turret or missile spot.
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