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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.01.03 10:20:00 -
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Isn't that too soon considering the few details we've received so far? If this were a new movie release, we would've seen several teasers, trailers and tv spots already. Even if J.J. Abrams was directing it.
Keeping the audience in the dark is all well and good for building up anticipation but eventually people get tired of the secrecy and they look elsewhere for excitement. The vague promise of perhaps oneday revealing a carrot dangling from a stick is not nearly as effective as seeing an actual carrot just barely out of reach.
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Esamir
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Posted - 2009.01.03 10:23:00 -
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Pretend there are no expansions and just play the game. Really, if you're bored and lack excitement, a few shiny things in a patch won't help in the long run.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.01.03 10:23:00 -
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There has been a input of information from the Fanfest. Maybe check the videos from that?
Of course crying about the lack of information because it isn't shoved into your face is much easier to do.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.01.03 10:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Esamir
Pretend there are no expansions and just play the game. Really, if you're bored and lack excitement, a few shiny things in a patch won't help in the long run.
I'm really not bored with the game now. I just want to know how best to prepare for and get in on the upcoming action.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.01.03 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
There has been a input of information from the Fanfest. Maybe check the videos from that?
Of course crying about the lack of information because it isn't shoved into your face is much easier to do.
I watched the fanfest vids and saw general concepts but no real details to go on.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2009.01.03 10:49:00 -
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I just hope CCP can make it. Its an extremely short time to do all the things they intent to do. Worse is that their deadline is far shorter if all those things need to be on the disk(s) and in the retail boxes before M10.
Originally by: AkRoYeR
...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die!
Best game ever!
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.01.03 11:01:00 -
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They said they've spent the last few years working on this project, which means they started before RMR perhaps? I hope they devoted equal time to this as they did with Revelations, Trinity, and FW...
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.01.03 11:23:00 -
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300 people at ccp, split up into teams.
Team works on bugfix.
Team works on T3
Team works on ambulation
Team works on project A.
Team works on project B.
Team works on Project C.
Etc.
The teams grow and fall in size depending on the proximity of the deadline vs the amount of work that needs to be done. Expansions are one or more of the bigger projects lumped together with smaller projects that are done.
It's not like 300 man were working on QR and when that was done, all 300 started work on March expansion.
Originally by: Signature
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.03 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
300 people at ccp, split up into teams.
Team works on bugfix.
Team works on T3
Team works on ambulation
Team works on project A.
Team works on project B.
Team works on Project C.
Etc.
The teams grow and fall in size depending on the proximity of the deadline vs the amount of work that needs to be done. Expansions are one or more of the bigger projects lumped together with smaller projects that are done.
It's not like 300 man were working on QR and when that was done, all 300 started work on March expansion.
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Captain Politics
JotunHeim Hird
X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.03 13:57:00 -
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If you want information be sure to check the test server when the new builds come out. They will bring out quite a few in the next coming weeks if they are going to make their deadline.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.03 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
300 people at ccp, split up into teams.
Have to wee on that fire a bit and say:
300 are not working on new content.
I think it's more like, 30 on graphics and 40 on code.
Even so, with 70 people and the weekends taken out(CCP crew will love that joke  ), it's still a good 400 man hours/emlpoyee.
That's about 28000 hours for one person to work on the patch/expansion/doohiggy.
66 days may seem small, but, doable.
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Gone'Postal
Aztec Industry
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Posted - 2009.01.03 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
66 days may seem small, but, doable.
Have to say this as a joke (no serious intended)
It took them 4 years to overcome the ghost training bug :)
I think you overrate there ability
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Tabare Vazquez
Uruguay Forever
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Posted - 2009.01.03 14:16:00 -
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It takes about two to three weeks to produce and ship boxes to retail stores (rough estimate given previous gold announcements of other games), and the last couple of weeks before the release of major expansions are typically those with the most patches on Singularity. Looks like new users buying the game will have to download a massive patch.
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Gangus
Minmatar
Matari BackBone
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2009.01.03 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
I just want to know how best to prepare for and get in on the upcoming action.
The best way to prepare for any upcoming Major Content Update is to survey the forums for info about them obsessively, and spend as much time as possible on Sisi, actually playing with the new shiny stuff before it gets released.  
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Gangus
Minmatar
Matari BackBone
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2009.01.03 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
It took them 4 years to overcome the ghost training bug :)
Actually, Ghost Training was never an actual "bug", it was an intended feature, that they decided to remove when they realised it had become a far-too-often used part of the game mechanic, and was actually costing them a shedload of RL ISK. and if you doubt they can do this, just look at all the work that went into producing the Trinity v2 Premium Graphics release. If they can do that, then they have far more ability than me, and I daresay, you. (My apologies if i'm mistaken, but I'd put money on being correct)
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.03 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gangus
Originally by: Gone'Postal
It took them 4 years to overcome the ghost training bug :)
Actually, Ghost Training was never an actual "bug", it was an intended feature, that they decided to remove when they realised it had become a far-too-often used part of the game mechanic, and was actually costing them a shedload of RL ISK. and if you doubt they can do this, just look at all the work that went into producing the Trinity v2 Premium Graphics release. If they can do that, then they have far more ability than me, and I daresay, you. (My apologies if i'm mistaken, but I'd put money on being correct)
Ghost training was always a bug. Forget about everything you heard about it being a feature, that's not the official history anymore. (see: Retcon)
As for the March expansion.. I'm hoping for a big dev blog soon but with only two months to go, it's a lot to try and pull off. I just hope it's not a bug ridden mess.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.03 16:17:00 -
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Anyway, back on track-
CCP really has two directions they can go with the distribution: put everything together before hand and plan on having all the retail buyers patch the game on install (after all, it IS an ONLINE MMO ffs), or they can wait until they have a good build and then try and get it out the door at the last minute and distributed to the stores.
Personaly, I think they're going to go the first route.
That being said, CCP really doesn't have that much time to get everything sorted. The only way I can see it working is if they've had T3 built and polished for a long time now (like all summer) and are just putting the finishing touches on it. But just like all of their stuff that they've ever released, they always miss *very* large problems with the play balance and game design that nobody catches until it's on the test server and players have a chance to pick it apart.
Two months doesn't leave a whole lot of time for design iterations. I think we'll see T3 on SISI in January if we're lucky, maybe get one or two small tweak patches to it, and then it'll be shipped half finished.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
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Elrca
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.03 19:02:00 -
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To be honest its less than 60days, since this patch will also be available as a "boxed" version. DVD's will need to be produced and then shipped to distributors, then can take 2-3 weeks depending on the work load at the CD/DVD pressing lab, and hten theres shippoin gout the boxes, what, another week?
/tinfoil_on
Do you honestly think that after the winter expansion they worked really hard to get this new expansion ready for March, or , do you think the deliberitly left out a few things in the winter expansion to make the March release more "explosive"
/tinfoil_off
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Ivana Drake
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Posted - 2009.01.03 19:06:00 -
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Ambulation in 60 days? Like that's going to happen... 
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Disteeler
Segunda Fundacion
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.01.03 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Disteeler on 03/01/2009 19:17:20
Originally by: Ivana Drake
Ambulation in 60 days? Like that's going to happen...
This expansion is not about ambulation, it's about tech3, exploration, usability pass on the interface and boxes in the stores.
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Phantom Slave
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.03 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ivana Drake
Ambulation in 60 days? Like that's going to happen...
It's been stated several times over the past several weeks that Ambulation is NOT a part of the march expansion. Wherever you heard that, they were wrong.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.03 20:20:00 -
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more blogs of the devs is what AC orders
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Ivana Drake
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Posted - 2009.01.03 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Disteeler
Edited by: Disteeler on 03/01/2009 19:17:20
Originally by: Ivana Drake
Ambulation in 60 days? Like that's going to happen...
This expansion is not about ambulation, it's about tech3, exploration, usability pass on the interface and boxes in the stores.
booooooring 
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.03 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ivana Drake
booooooring
You haven't seen the presentation of T3, then, I take it…
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Tabare Vazquez
Uruguay Forever
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Posted - 2009.01.03 21:21:00 -
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They'll probably reduce tech 3 to two choosable components rather than five to meet their deadline.
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Jhango Fett
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Posted - 2009.01.03 21:27:00 -
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I think they been working on it for a lot longer than anybody has expected.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.03 21:28:00 -
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i think you very correct when saying that they have worked on this longer that they are saying
i reckon it going to rock the socks off so at least the mmo report will stop laughing at us 
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2009.01.04 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 04/01/2009 02:33:30
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nvmnd, found it, im just to lazy
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.04 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
EDIT:
nvmnd, found it, im just to lazy
Too late! Bwahahaha…
…ehm, I mean, here, World Domination video, roughly 35 minutes in…
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2009.01.04 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tabare Vazquez
They'll probably reduce tech 3 to two choosable components rather than five to meet their deadline.
Oh, no way man. No way. They're gonna open that can of worms, just wait. There's gonna be worms all over the floor!
It's going to be awsome.
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