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TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:28:00 - [1] Currently on CHAOS (yes it lives again...) we are testing 2nd bonuses addon to cruisers and minor changes to current balance on them, feel free to test these out as much as you want/can and give feedback. Please note that anything posted below might change, also various others stats or descriptions of the ships: Updated: 1. Rupture got projectile damage as 2nd bonus 2. Thorax got less cap nerf for MWD as 2nd bonus 3. Caracal RoF bonus changed to missile velocity 4. Thorax drone bay nerf is no more 5. Vexor drone bay put to 1500 (300+ from what is was) 6. Omen given laser ROF bonus 7. Augoror given armor max hitpoints 8. Bellicose changed to projectile optimal bonus Amarr Augoror Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: 10% bonus to max armor per level Arbitrator Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: +1 extra Drone controlled per level Omen Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: 5% bonus to Energy Turret rate of fire per level Maller Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: 5% bonus to all armor resistances per level Caldari Osprey Existing: 10% bonus to Hybrid Turret optimal range per level Addon: 20% bonus to mining laser yield per level Blackbird Existing: 5% bonus to kinetic missile damage per skill level Addon: 10% bonus to EW modules cap need per level Caracal Existing: 5% bonus to kinetic missile damage per skill level Addon: 10% bonus to Missile Velocity per level Moa Existing: 10% bonus to Hybrid Turret optimal range per level Addon: 5% bonus to shield boosting per level Gallente Exequror Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: 10% bonus to Cargo Capacity per level. Boost: Cargo Capacity increased from 425.0 to 600.0 Celestis Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: 5% bonus to Hybrid Tracking speed per level. Vexor Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: +1 extra Drone controlled per level Boost: dronebay from 1200 to 1500 Thorax Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: 5% less cap nerf for MWD's per level. Minmatar Scythe Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 20% bonus to mining laser yield per level Bellicose Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 10% bonus to Projectile Optimal range per level Stabber Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 5% bonus to max velocity per level Rupture Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret damage per level No flames, no WTT, no WTS, no WTB, give feedback. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:28:00 - [2] Currently on CHAOS (yes it lives again...) we are testing 2nd bonuses addon to cruisers and minor changes to current balance on them, feel free to test these out as much as you want/can and give feedback. Please note that anything posted below might change, also various others stats or descriptions of the ships: Updated: 1. Rupture got projectile damage as 2nd bonus 2. Thorax got less cap nerf for MWD as 2nd bonus 3. Caracal RoF bonus changed to missile velocity 4. Thorax drone bay nerf is no more 5. Vexor drone bay put to 1500 (300+ from what is was) 6. Omen given laser ROF bonus 7. Augoror given armor max hitpoints 8. Bellicose changed to projectile optimal bonus Amarr Augoror Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: 10% bonus to max armor per level Arbitrator Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: +1 extra Drone controlled per level Omen Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: 5% bonus to Energy Turret rate of fire per level Maller Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: 5% bonus to all armor resistances per level Caldari Osprey Existing: 10% bonus to Hybrid Turret optimal range per level Addon: 20% bonus to mining laser yield per level Blackbird Existing: 5% bonus to kinetic missile damage per skill level Addon: 10% bonus to EW modules cap need per level Caracal Existing: 5% bonus to kinetic missile damage per skill level Addon: 10% bonus to Missile Velocity per level Moa Existing: 10% bonus to Hybrid Turret optimal range per level Addon: 5% bonus to shield boosting per level Gallente Exequror Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: 10% bonus to Cargo Capacity per level. Boost: Cargo Capacity increased from 425.0 to 600.0 Celestis Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: 5% bonus to Hybrid Tracking speed per level. Vexor Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: +1 extra Drone controlled per level Boost: dronebay from 1200 to 1500 Thorax Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: 5% less cap nerf for MWD's per level. Minmatar Scythe Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 20% bonus to mining laser yield per level Bellicose Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 10% bonus to Projectile Optimal range per level Stabber Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 5% bonus to max velocity per level Rupture Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret damage per level No flames, no WTT, no WTS, no WTB, give feedback. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:58:00 - [3] The Thorax is mainly a military vessel, although its a great mining platform as well with its stats. Moa isn't the best missile deployer although its (suposed to be) the top of the line Cruiser for Caldari. Vexor gets a better role with these changes and the Thorax is still the biggest fear in close range. MWD bonus sounds approriate for the Thorax, something that will get checked out. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:58:00 - [4] The Thorax is mainly a military vessel, although its a great mining platform as well with its stats. Moa isn't the best missile deployer although its (suposed to be) the top of the line Cruiser for Caldari. Vexor gets a better role with these changes and the Thorax is still the biggest fear in close range. MWD bonus sounds approriate for the Thorax, something that will get checked out. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Eyeshadow moa's second bonus kinda blows was expecting sommat a bit more useful than that. At level 5 it has almost a free none-stacking-nerfed shield boost amplifier. T1 Large Shield Booster with level 5 Caldari Cruiser + 2x shield boost amplifiers = 311 shield boosting per tick. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Eyeshadow moa's second bonus kinda blows was expecting sommat a bit more useful than that. At level 5 it has almost a free none-stacking-nerfed shield boost amplifier. T1 Large Shield Booster with level 5 Caldari Cruiser + 2x shield boost amplifiers = 311 shield boosting per tick. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:05:00 - [7] Originally by: JoCool I'd give the Rupture another bonus though, I don't know if 5% bonus to explosive damage missiles per level was so good. Probably speed or something else increasing its ability to survive longer. It's a long range combat-house, the explosive missile dmg addon is to increase the flexability that Minmatar ships have, we will see how well it works out for it. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:05:00 - [8] Originally by: JoCool I'd give the Rupture another bonus though, I don't know if 5% bonus to explosive damage missiles per level was so good. Probably speed or something else increasing its ability to survive longer. It's a long range combat-house, the explosive missile dmg addon is to increase the flexability that Minmatar ships have, we will see how well it works out for it. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:37:00 - [9] Originally by: JoCool The boni are also very creative and make the fields alot more colourful, hats off to TomB. I'll take that hat thank u very much TomB puts the hat next to Ragnar's magic hat he stole some months ago 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:37:00 - [10] Originally by: JoCool The boni are also very creative and make the fields alot more colourful, hats off to TomB. I'll take that hat thank u very much TomB puts the hat next to Ragnar's magic hat he stole some months ago 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Valentine Keen I'm not so sure about the Bellicose, you're giving a gun bonus to a ship primarily used for a missile role. (Similar to Typhoon in that respect.) Yers, looks like the Bellicose could get the missile explosive bonus and rupture the optimal bonus. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Valentine Keen I'm not so sure about the Bellicose, you're giving a gun bonus to a ship primarily used for a missile role. (Similar to Typhoon in that respect.) Yers, looks like the Bellicose could get the missile explosive bonus and rupture the optimal bonus. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:48:00 - [13] moa bonus fixed, comes in update soon 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:48:00 - [14] moa bonus fixed, comes in update soon 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 13:47:00 - [15] TESTS MOVED TO CHAOS 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 13:47:00 - [16] TESTS MOVED TO CHAOS 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.28 12:50:00 - [17] Maller and Rupture updated in 2nd bonuses. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.28 12:50:00 - [18] Maller and Rupture updated in 2nd bonuses. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.08.04 15:17:00 - [19] The thorax drone bay nerf has been removed for now since drones are more fight'able, doesn't seem needed at the moment. Drones and drone bays will get a look at later on in the future. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.08.04 15:17:00 - [20] The thorax drone bay nerf has been removed for now since drones are more fight'able, doesn't seem needed at the moment. Drones and drone bays will get a look at later on in the future. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.08.05 16:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Diana Merris Edited by: Diana Merris on 04/08/2004 19:47:33 Some simple math in regards to the Maller resistance bonus: The Thorax and Rupture get a 5%/level bonus to damage, at lvl 4 thats 20%, at lvl5 its 25%. The current 2.5% resist bonus on the Maller at lvl 4 gives 25% less EM damage, 15.38% less Thermal, 13.33% less Kinetic and 12.5% less Explosive. Averaged out this is 16.5525% less damage taken, significantly less than the 20% damage bonus. If the resist bonus is raised to 3% then at level 4 it would give 30% less EM damage, 18.46% less Thermal, 16.0% less Kinetic and 15% less Explosive for an average of 19.865%. Almost an exact match for the 20% damage bonus. At level 5 it would be 37.5% less EM, 23.08% less Thermal, 20.0% less Kinetic and 18.75% less Explosive for an average of 24.8325%. Again, very close to the 25% damage us the others would get at lvl 5. Edit to explain resist calcs: Maller has 60% EM resist so it takes 40% of EM damage; with the current 2.5% resist at lvl 4 it would have 10% more resist, 10 / 40 = 25% less damage. It's calculated differently. The resistances arn't purely added but multiplied as percentage values + the ship resistances and resistance bonuses are inversed behind the scene to give more effect on smaller numbers (i.e. 10% bonus to explosive gives more than to em on armor) as well as disallowing values to get above 100%, i.e.: Base Explosive Resistance: 20% With Skill Level 4: 0.8 (ship) * 0.9 (10% bonus) = 0.72 = 28% Total Explosive Bonus: 8% Base EM Resistance: 60% With Skill Level 4: 0.4 (ship) * 0.9 (10% bonus) = 0.36 = 64% Total EM Bonus: 4% The Maller how ever gets bonus to all resistance types and the gain is vs. all kinds of attacks. But I agree with you that the Maller bonus is to little with 2.5% increase per level, it has been put back to 5% for now but will get better testing before it enters Tranquility. The actual bonus for level 4 from 5% per level bonus to Maller is: EM: +8% Thermal: +13% Kinetic: +15% Explosive: +16% That's how ever a flat out 20% bonus to all resistance types if calculated: baseValue (inverted) * 0.8 But the total gain is more on the less base resistant damage types than the others. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.08.05 16:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Diana Merris Edited by: Diana Merris on 04/08/2004 19:47:33 Some simple math in regards to the Maller resistance bonus: The Thorax and Rupture get a 5%/level bonus to damage, at lvl 4 thats 20%, at lvl5 its 25%. The current 2.5% resist bonus on the Maller at lvl 4 gives 25% less EM damage, 15.38% less Thermal, 13.33% less Kinetic and 12.5% less Explosive. Averaged out this is 16.5525% less damage taken, significantly less than the 20% damage bonus. If the resist bonus is raised to 3% then at level 4 it would give 30% less EM damage, 18.46% less Thermal, 16.0% less Kinetic and 15% less Explosive for an average of 19.865%. Almost an exact match for the 20% damage bonus. At level 5 it would be 37.5% less EM, 23.08% less Thermal, 20.0% less Kinetic and 18.75% less Explosive for an average of 24.8325%. Again, very close to the 25% damage us the others would get at lvl 5. Edit to explain resist calcs: Maller has 60% EM resist so it takes 40% of EM damage; with the current 2.5% resist at lvl 4 it would have 10% more resist, 10 / 40 = 25% less damage. It's calculated differently. The resistances arn't purely added but multiplied as percentage values + the ship resistances and resistance bonuses are inversed behind the scene to give more effect on smaller numbers (i.e. 10% bonus to explosive gives more than to em on armor) as well as disallowing values to get above 100%, i.e.: Base Explosive Resistance: 20% With Skill Level 4: 0.8 (ship) * 0.9 (10% bonus) = 0.72 = 28% Total Explosive Bonus: 8% Base EM Resistance: 60% With Skill Level 4: 0.4 (ship) * 0.9 (10% bonus) = 0.36 = 64% Total EM Bonus: 4% The Maller how ever gets bonus to all resistance types and the gain is vs. all kinds of attacks. But I agree with you that the Maller bonus is to little with 2.5% increase per level, it has been put back to 5% for now but will get better testing before it enters Tranquility. The actual bonus for level 4 from 5% per level bonus to Maller is: EM: +8% Thermal: +13% Kinetic: +15% Explosive: +16% That's how ever a flat out 20% bonus to all resistance types if calculated: baseValue (inverted) * 0.8 But the total gain is more on the less base resistant damage types than the others. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.08.05 18:13:00 - [23] Originally by: Meridius Why can't it fit 5x Heavy Pulse like the Apoc can fit 8x Megapulse w/out grid enhancers? Amarr are turret ships, no drones, no missles on the maller. It needs a pg upgrade bad just like the apoc did pre-patch. No power/cpu changes on cruisers or cruiser modules for upcoming patch, only cruiser 2nd bonuses for now. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.08.05 18:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Meridius Why can't it fit 5x Heavy Pulse like the Apoc can fit 8x Megapulse w/out grid enhancers? Amarr are turret ships, no drones, no missles on the maller. It needs a pg upgrade bad just like the apoc did pre-patch. No power/cpu changes on cruisers or cruiser modules for upcoming patch, only cruiser 2nd bonuses for now. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.08.06 16:34:00 - [25] Updated: 8. Omen given laser ROF bonus 9. Augoror given armor repair bonus 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.08.06 16:34:00 - [26] Updated: 8. Omen given laser ROF bonus 9. Augoror given armor repair bonus 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.08.08 02:39:00 - [27] The Caracal missile velocity bonus is 10%, the description was wrong for it, same for Raven and Scorpion. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.08.08 02:39:00 - [28] The Caracal missile velocity bonus is 10%, the description was wrong for it, same for Raven and Scorpion. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.08.08 14:59:00 - [29] Updated: 7. Augoror given armor max hitpoints 8. Bellicose changed to projectile optimal bonus 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.08.08 14:59:00 - [30] Updated: 7. Augoror given armor max hitpoints 8. Bellicose changed to projectile optimal bonus 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.

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