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TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:28:00 - [1] Currently on CHAOS (yes it lives again...) we are testing 2nd bonuses addon to cruisers and minor changes to current balance on them, feel free to test these out as much as you want/can and give feedback. Please note that anything posted below might change, also various others stats or descriptions of the ships: Updated: 1. Rupture got projectile damage as 2nd bonus 2. Thorax got less cap nerf for MWD as 2nd bonus 3. Caracal RoF bonus changed to missile velocity 4. Thorax drone bay nerf is no more 5. Vexor drone bay put to 1500 (300+ from what is was) 6. Omen given laser ROF bonus 7. Augoror given armor max hitpoints 8. Bellicose changed to projectile optimal bonus Amarr Augoror Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: 10% bonus to max armor per level Arbitrator Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: +1 extra Drone controlled per level Omen Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: 5% bonus to Energy Turret rate of fire per level Maller Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: 5% bonus to all armor resistances per level Caldari Osprey Existing: 10% bonus to Hybrid Turret optimal range per level Addon: 20% bonus to mining laser yield per level Blackbird Existing: 5% bonus to kinetic missile damage per skill level Addon: 10% bonus to EW modules cap need per level Caracal Existing: 5% bonus to kinetic missile damage per skill level Addon: 10% bonus to Missile Velocity per level Moa Existing: 10% bonus to Hybrid Turret optimal range per level Addon: 5% bonus to shield boosting per level Gallente Exequror Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: 10% bonus to Cargo Capacity per level. Boost: Cargo Capacity increased from 425.0 to 600.0 Celestis Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: 5% bonus to Hybrid Tracking speed per level. Vexor Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: +1 extra Drone controlled per level Boost: dronebay from 1200 to 1500 Thorax Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: 5% less cap nerf for MWD's per level. Minmatar Scythe Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 20% bonus to mining laser yield per level Bellicose Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 10% bonus to Projectile Optimal range per level Stabber Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 5% bonus to max velocity per level Rupture Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret damage per level No flames, no WTT, no WTS, no WTB, give feedback. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:28:00 - [2] Currently on CHAOS (yes it lives again...) we are testing 2nd bonuses addon to cruisers and minor changes to current balance on them, feel free to test these out as much as you want/can and give feedback. Please note that anything posted below might change, also various others stats or descriptions of the ships: Updated: 1. Rupture got projectile damage as 2nd bonus 2. Thorax got less cap nerf for MWD as 2nd bonus 3. Caracal RoF bonus changed to missile velocity 4. Thorax drone bay nerf is no more 5. Vexor drone bay put to 1500 (300+ from what is was) 6. Omen given laser ROF bonus 7. Augoror given armor max hitpoints 8. Bellicose changed to projectile optimal bonus Amarr Augoror Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: 10% bonus to max armor per level Arbitrator Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: +1 extra Drone controlled per level Omen Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: 5% bonus to Energy Turret rate of fire per level Maller Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level Addon: 5% bonus to all armor resistances per level Caldari Osprey Existing: 10% bonus to Hybrid Turret optimal range per level Addon: 20% bonus to mining laser yield per level Blackbird Existing: 5% bonus to kinetic missile damage per skill level Addon: 10% bonus to EW modules cap need per level Caracal Existing: 5% bonus to kinetic missile damage per skill level Addon: 10% bonus to Missile Velocity per level Moa Existing: 10% bonus to Hybrid Turret optimal range per level Addon: 5% bonus to shield boosting per level Gallente Exequror Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: 10% bonus to Cargo Capacity per level. Boost: Cargo Capacity increased from 425.0 to 600.0 Celestis Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: 5% bonus to Hybrid Tracking speed per level. Vexor Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: +1 extra Drone controlled per level Boost: dronebay from 1200 to 1500 Thorax Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level. Addon: 5% less cap nerf for MWD's per level. Minmatar Scythe Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 20% bonus to mining laser yield per level Bellicose Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 10% bonus to Projectile Optimal range per level Stabber Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 5% bonus to max velocity per level Rupture Existing: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret firing speed per level Addon: 5% bonus to Projectile Turret damage per level No flames, no WTT, no WTS, no WTB, give feedback. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:45:00 - [3] Maybe cruisers will get a better role now. I cant understand why the Thorax gets only half the drone bay now. It was the best mining cruiser for ages. Now the vexor has more drone bay which means it can carry 6 heavy drones instead of only 4. Not a really needed balance. --------------------------------------------- Eve is not game, it¦s a way of life!
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:45:00 - [4] Maybe cruisers will get a better role now. I cant understand why the Thorax gets only half the drone bay now. It was the best mining cruiser for ages. Now the vexor has more drone bay which means it can carry 6 heavy drones instead of only 4. Not a really needed balance. --------------------------------------------- Eve is not game, it¦s a way of life!
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:46:00 - [5] Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/07/2004 09:49:02 Imho the Thorax should have a speed/mwd related bonus. Tracking is not an issued for cruiser vs cruiser or cruiser vs BS atm. I am guessing you are giving it tracking because you are decreasing it's anti-frig defences? Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:46:00 - [6] Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/07/2004 09:49:02 Imho the Thorax should have a speed/mwd related bonus. Tracking is not an issued for cruiser vs cruiser or cruiser vs BS atm. I am guessing you are giving it tracking because you are decreasing it's anti-frig defences? Pain is meant to be felt
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:49:00 - [7] Nice! Caldari have a nice little mining platform with the Osprey now - good stuff. Looks reasonable across the board, esp the thorax tweaking - much needed imho. In addition could we perhaps have a bit of a beef to hitpoints across the lot - maybe 20-25%? Cruisers drop very quickly, to frigates and battleships, they could do with a bit more longevity. nice work all in all tho.
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:49:00 - [8] Nice! Caldari have a nice little mining platform with the Osprey now - good stuff. Looks reasonable across the board, esp the thorax tweaking - much needed imho. In addition could we perhaps have a bit of a beef to hitpoints across the lot - maybe 20-25%? Cruisers drop very quickly, to frigates and battleships, they could do with a bit more longevity. nice work all in all tho.
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Maybe cruisers will get a better role now. I cant understand why the Thorax gets only half the drone bay now. It was the best mining cruiser for ages. Now the vexor has more drone bay which means it can carry 6 heavy drones instead of only 4. Not a really needed balance. From what i see the concept is to effect the minimization of heavies used by cruisers. Something i agree to. Drone changes need to be known though in order to assess these changes. Medium drones lack in various fields atm. Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Maybe cruisers will get a better role now. I cant understand why the Thorax gets only half the drone bay now. It was the best mining cruiser for ages. Now the vexor has more drone bay which means it can carry 6 heavy drones instead of only 4. Not a really needed balance. From what i see the concept is to effect the minimization of heavies used by cruisers. Something i agree to. Drone changes need to be known though in order to assess these changes. Medium drones lack in various fields atm. Pain is meant to be felt
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:56:00 - [11] moa's second bonus kinda blows was expecting sommat a bit more useful than that. Thorax gets a nerf which imo is not a bad thing Osprey actually has a use now might have to get one just for mining. Forums: Sharks - MC
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:56:00 - [12] moa's second bonus kinda blows was expecting sommat a bit more useful than that. Thorax gets a nerf which imo is not a bad thing Osprey actually has a use now might have to get one just for mining. Forums: Sharks - MC
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:58:00 - [13] The Thorax is mainly a military vessel, although its a great mining platform as well with its stats. Moa isn't the best missile deployer although its (suposed to be) the top of the line Cruiser for Caldari. Vexor gets a better role with these changes and the Thorax is still the biggest fear in close range. MWD bonus sounds approriate for the Thorax, something that will get checked out. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 09:58:00 - [14] The Thorax is mainly a military vessel, although its a great mining platform as well with its stats. Moa isn't the best missile deployer although its (suposed to be) the top of the line Cruiser for Caldari. Vexor gets a better role with these changes and the Thorax is still the biggest fear in close range. MWD bonus sounds approriate for the Thorax, something that will get checked out. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Eyeshadow moa's second bonus kinda blows was expecting sommat a bit more useful than that. At level 5 it has almost a free none-stacking-nerfed shield boost amplifier. T1 Large Shield Booster with level 5 Caldari Cruiser + 2x shield boost amplifiers = 311 shield boosting per tick. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Eyeshadow moa's second bonus kinda blows was expecting sommat a bit more useful than that. At level 5 it has almost a free none-stacking-nerfed shield boost amplifier. T1 Large Shield Booster with level 5 Caldari Cruiser + 2x shield boost amplifiers = 311 shield boosting per tick. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:01:00 - [17] Edited by: JoCool on 23/07/2004 10:04:51 I love how the different boni are referring to their ships and races. For example, the Maller's second bonus is very interesting and improves the ship significantly. The Omen will also rock defense wise. Or the BlackBird's bonus, very nice and enables it to use multispectrals more effectively. The boni are also very creative and make the fields alot more colourful, hats off to TomB. About the Thorax drone bay nerf - it was definately necessary. Its large dronebay together with the other attributes was simply too much damage wise. The new tracking bonus however will make it a devestating blaster boat. I'd give the Rupture another bonus though, I don't know if 5% bonus to explosive damage missiles per level was so good. Probably speed or something else increasing its ability to survive longer.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:01:00 - [18] Edited by: JoCool on 23/07/2004 10:04:51 I love how the different boni are referring to their ships and races. For example, the Maller's second bonus is very interesting and improves the ship significantly. The Omen will also rock defense wise. Or the BlackBird's bonus, very nice and enables it to use multispectrals more effectively. The boni are also very creative and make the fields alot more colourful, hats off to TomB. About the Thorax drone bay nerf - it was definately necessary. Its large dronebay together with the other attributes was simply too much damage wise. The new tracking bonus however will make it a devestating blaster boat. I'd give the Rupture another bonus though, I don't know if 5% bonus to explosive damage missiles per level was so good. Probably speed or something else increasing its ability to survive longer.
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Eyeshadow moa's second bonus kinda blows was expecting sommat a bit more useful than that. Thorax gets a nerf which imo is not a bad thing Osprey actually has a use now might have to get one just for mining. I thought that - but it is per/level - cruiser lvl 5 = 25% + Shield boost amp + tech II shield booster = some nice tanking ability.
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Eyeshadow moa's second bonus kinda blows was expecting sommat a bit more useful than that. Thorax gets a nerf which imo is not a bad thing Osprey actually has a use now might have to get one just for mining. I thought that - but it is per/level - cruiser lvl 5 = 25% + Shield boost amp + tech II shield booster = some nice tanking ability.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:05:00 - [21] Originally by: JoCool I'd give the Rupture another bonus though, I don't know if 5% bonus to explosive damage missiles per level was so good. Probably speed or something else increasing its ability to survive longer. It's a long range combat-house, the explosive missile dmg addon is to increase the flexability that Minmatar ships have, we will see how well it works out for it. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:05:00 - [22] Originally by: JoCool I'd give the Rupture another bonus though, I don't know if 5% bonus to explosive damage missiles per level was so good. Probably speed or something else increasing its ability to survive longer. It's a long range combat-house, the explosive missile dmg addon is to increase the flexability that Minmatar ships have, we will see how well it works out for it. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:06:00 - [23] Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/07/2004 10:07:56 Originally by: TomB Vexor gets a better role with these changes and the Thorax is still the biggest fear in close range. Yup atm Thorax surpasses the Vexor in all the important fields, apart from cargo space, which doesn't even matter for mining. This addon bonus + Thorax drone bay decrease should create a role for the Vexor and balance the situation for Gal cruisers. Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:06:00 - [24] Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/07/2004 10:07:56 Originally by: TomB Vexor gets a better role with these changes and the Thorax is still the biggest fear in close range. Yup atm Thorax surpasses the Vexor in all the important fields, apart from cargo space, which doesn't even matter for mining. This addon bonus + Thorax drone bay decrease should create a role for the Vexor and balance the situation for Gal cruisers. Pain is meant to be felt
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:08:00 - [25] Originally by: TomB Moa isn't the best missile deployer although its (suposed to be) the top of the line Cruiser for Caldari. perhaps switch the turret / bay slots round? 4 launchers, 2 turrets or perhaps 3/3. We have the Osprey for mining now....
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:08:00 - [26] Originally by: TomB Moa isn't the best missile deployer although its (suposed to be) the top of the line Cruiser for Caldari. perhaps switch the turret / bay slots round? 4 launchers, 2 turrets or perhaps 3/3. We have the Osprey for mining now....
Teutobod	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:09:00 - [27] Edited by: Teutobod on 23/07/2004 10:12:59 Originally by: TomB Originally by: Eyeshadow moa's second bonus kinda blows was expecting sommat a bit more useful than that. At level 5 it has almost a free none-stacking-nerfed shield boost amplifier. T1 Large Shield Booster with level 5 Caldari Cruiser + 2x shield boost amplifiers = 311 shield boosting per tick. I think the best would be to assume fitting a Medium Shield Booster II. The large eat 150 mW and 100 CPU, quite a lot when you consider that rails are the most cpu hoggin' type of gun. Assuming Cruiser V is also a tad extreme since I do believe very few go to those lenghts. At any rate, a SB II would do 126 every 3 seconds for a capusage of 60 energy. You'll want to harden the shields with at least two wards leaving room for 1 Amp taking the total to 163,8. But overall not too shabby when considering it will repair 655,2 compared to 320 for a medium tech 2 armor rep in the same timespan.
Teutobod	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:09:00 - [28] Edited by: Teutobod on 23/07/2004 10:12:59 Originally by: TomB Originally by: Eyeshadow moa's second bonus kinda blows was expecting sommat a bit more useful than that. At level 5 it has almost a free none-stacking-nerfed shield boost amplifier. T1 Large Shield Booster with level 5 Caldari Cruiser + 2x shield boost amplifiers = 311 shield boosting per tick. I think the best would be to assume fitting a Medium Shield Booster II. The large eat 150 mW and 100 CPU, quite a lot when you consider that rails are the most cpu hoggin' type of gun. Assuming Cruiser V is also a tad extreme since I do believe very few go to those lenghts. At any rate, a SB II would do 126 every 3 seconds for a capusage of 60 energy. You'll want to harden the shields with at least two wards leaving room for 1 Amp taking the total to 163,8. But overall not too shabby when considering it will repair 655,2 compared to 320 for a medium tech 2 armor rep in the same timespan.
Borzoi	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:11:00 - [29] I dissagree with the nerf to the Thorax. But i have one question, will the % to damage now apply to light/med/large ? or still be restricted to Medium guns on Cruisers ? ...
Borzoi	Posted - 2004.07.23 10:11:00 - [30] I dissagree with the nerf to the Thorax. But i have one question, will the % to damage now apply to light/med/large ? or still be restricted to Medium guns on Cruisers ? ...

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