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Lusiphur
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:12:00 -
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Not convinced about the Moa's bonus personally. I took the shield tanking off mine and went with a MWD to maintain range about a month ago (and to make getting cans quicker). Think I have been hit once sonce then (PvE) 
I would think a Turret RoF or something would be used more.
The Thorax bonus is interesting (I also use a Blasterrax for PvE) but the drone bay nerf should not be applied until the drone balancing so we can see how mediums pan out in that situation.
Apart from that, looking very good a big thumbs up from me. 
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Lusiphur
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:12:00 -
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Not convinced about the Moa's bonus personally. I took the shield tanking off mine and went with a MWD to maintain range about a month ago (and to make getting cans quicker). Think I have been hit once sonce then (PvE)
I would think a Turret RoF or something would be used more.
The Thorax bonus is interesting (I also use a Blasterrax for PvE) but the drone bay nerf should not be applied until the drone balancing so we can see how mediums pan out in that situation.
Apart from that, looking very good a big thumbs up from me.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Valentine Keen on 23/07/2004 10:15:24
I think the Scythe just became my ninja miner of choice and I've now got a reason to train cruiser level 5.
I'm not so sure about the Bellicose, you're giving a gun bonus to a ship primarily used for a missile role. (Similar to Typhoon in that respect.)
Enough Minmatar players already ignore it in favour of the Caracal as it is. 
Edited for spelling.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Valentine Keen on 23/07/2004 10:15:24
I think the Scythe just became my ninja miner of choice and I've now got a reason to train cruiser level 5.
I'm not so sure about the Bellicose, you're giving a gun bonus to a ship primarily used for a missile role. (Similar to Typhoon in that respect.)
Enough Minmatar players already ignore it in favour of the Caracal as it is.
Edited for spelling.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/07/2004 10:26:51
Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/07/2004 10:26:07
 Originally by: Borzoi
I dissagree with the nerf to the Thorax.
Reasoning?
Quote:
But i have one question, will the % to damage now apply to light/med/large ? or still be restricted to Medium guns on Cruisers ?
No. Same as all classes. According to what's on Entropy and what seems logical for balance.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/07/2004 10:26:51
Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/07/2004 10:26:07
Originally by: Borzoi
I dissagree with the nerf to the Thorax.
Reasoning?
Quote:
But i have one question, will the % to damage now apply to light/med/large ? or still be restricted to Medium guns on Cruisers ?
No. Same as all classes. According to what's on Entropy and what seems logical for balance.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Artean
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Artean on 23/07/2004 10:39:55
Very interseting indeed. Seems like u have captured and enhanced the characteristics of most of the cruisers. Not sure I agree with the Ruptures missile dmg bonus (the Rupture could, indeed, be used as close range as well), but testing will tell.
Either way, great to see these bonuses finally hit the test server.
Edit. Hmm.. I would consider to give the Stabber an additional missile hard point as well 
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There is a fine line between gate camping and just standing by a gate, looking like an idiot... |
Artean
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Artean on 23/07/2004 10:39:55
Very interseting indeed. Seems like u have captured and enhanced the characteristics of most of the cruisers. Not sure I agree with the Ruptures missile dmg bonus (the Rupture could, indeed, be used as close range as well), but testing will tell.
Either way, great to see these bonuses finally hit the test server.
Edit. Hmm.. I would consider to give the Stabber an additional missile hard point as well
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There is a fine line between gate camping and just standing by a gate, looking like an idiot... |
TomB
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: JoCool
The boni are also very creative and make the fields alot more colourful, hats off to TomB.
I'll take that hat thank u very much
*TomB puts the hat next to Ragnar's magic hat he stole some months ago*
2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything. |
TomB
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: JoCool
The boni are also very creative and make the fields alot more colourful, hats off to TomB.
I'll take that hat thank u very much
*TomB puts the hat next to Ragnar's magic hat he stole some months ago*
2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything. |
TomB
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Valentine Keen
I'm not so sure about the Bellicose, you're giving a gun bonus to a ship primarily used for a missile role. (Similar to Typhoon in that respect.)
Yers, looks like the Bellicose could get the missile explosive bonus and rupture the optimal bonus.
2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything. |
TomB
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Valentine Keen
I'm not so sure about the Bellicose, you're giving a gun bonus to a ship primarily used for a missile role. (Similar to Typhoon in that respect.)
Yers, looks like the Bellicose could get the missile explosive bonus and rupture the optimal bonus.
2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything. |
Borzoi
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/07/2004 10:26:51
Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/07/2004 10:26:07
Originally by: Borzoi
I dissagree with the nerf to the Thorax.
Reasoning?
Quote:
But i have one question, will the % to damage now apply to light/med/large ? or still be restricted to Medium guns on Cruisers ?
No. Same as all classes. According to what's on Entropy and what seems logical for balance.
Thanks ... and my reasoning is that cruisers per se will still be the underdogs, so i see no need to nerf, the Thorax is a close combat ship with no bonus to armor resistance or shield boosts, i say let it keep its edge
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Borzoi
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/07/2004 10:26:51
Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/07/2004 10:26:07
Originally by: Borzoi
I dissagree with the nerf to the Thorax.
Reasoning?
Quote:
But i have one question, will the % to damage now apply to light/med/large ? or still be restricted to Medium guns on Cruisers ?
No. Same as all classes. According to what's on Entropy and what seems logical for balance.
Thanks ... and my reasoning is that cruisers per se will still be the underdogs, so i see no need to nerf, the Thorax is a close combat ship with no bonus to armor resistance or shield boosts, i say let it keep its edge
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:41:00 -
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I don't like the nerf of the thorax drone bay, it's way too much. Make second bonus +1 drone controled per lvl and reduce drone bay to 1500, or 1000 drone bay but second bonus will be drone dmg. Description on Thorax says that it should be able to fight several opponents simuntaniusly? Then why not make it so.
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:41:00 -
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I don't like the nerf of the thorax drone bay, it's way too much. Make second bonus +1 drone controled per lvl and reduce drone bay to 1500, or 1000 drone bay but second bonus will be drone dmg. Description on Thorax says that it should be able to fight several opponents simuntaniusly? Then why not make it so.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:44:00 -
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perhaps switch the turret / bay slots round? 4 launchers, 2 turrets or perhaps 3/3
4 Launcher / 2 Turret would make the Caracal Obsolete.
3 Launcher / 3 Turret would make it weaker.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:44:00 -
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Quote:
perhaps switch the turret / bay slots round? 4 launchers, 2 turrets or perhaps 3/3
4 Launcher / 2 Turret would make the Caracal Obsolete.
3 Launcher / 3 Turret would make it weaker.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Borzoi
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:46:00 -
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oh and i have to add, the guns damage bonus is restricted to the ship size, but missils are not, this i feel is unfair, restric the missil bonuses or release the guns ..hehe
Anyways ... i may seem negative, but i am totally in awe of eve and its creators !!!
Perhaps the nerf to the Thorax could wait abit until we see the new drone rules, im sure the devs have a plan and i put my faith in them, i just had to voice my oppinion
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Borzoi
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:46:00 -
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oh and i have to add, the guns damage bonus is restricted to the ship size, but missils are not, this i feel is unfair, restric the missil bonuses or release the guns ..hehe
Anyways ... i may seem negative, but i am totally in awe of eve and its creators !!!
Perhaps the nerf to the Thorax could wait abit until we see the new drone rules, im sure the devs have a plan and i put my faith in them, i just had to voice my oppinion
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TomB
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:48:00 -
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moa bonus fixed, comes in update soon
2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything. |
TomB
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:48:00 -
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moa bonus fixed, comes in update soon
2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything. |
Teutobod
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:50:00 -
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Since I fly Amarr ships only I got to say I like the 2nd bonus. With Amarr Cruiser IV and an Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II you get the following resistance.
EM: 74,4%
Expl: 48,16%
Kin: 52%
Thrm: 58,4%
Not bad for the cost of just 1 low. And, the Energized is passive.
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Teutobod
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:50:00 -
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Since I fly Amarr ships only I got to say I like the 2nd bonus. With Amarr Cruiser IV and an Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II you get the following resistance.
EM: 74,4%
Expl: 48,16%
Kin: 52%
Thrm: 58,4%
Not bad for the cost of just 1 low. And, the Energized is passive.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: TomB
moa bonus fixed, comes in update soon
as in it wasnt working or its definately gonna be the 5% shield boost? might have to have a play with it, see wot i can do. From the example u gave i mightve been a bit hasty
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: TomB
moa bonus fixed, comes in update soon
as in it wasnt working or its definately gonna be the 5% shield boost? might have to have a play with it, see wot i can do. From the example u gave i mightve been a bit hasty
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:55:00 -
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Quote:
People Worried about Drone Bay decrease
The decrease of the drone bay doesn't hurt the Thorax significanly.
It makes it a bit weaker vs Frigates but that is all.
Thorax damage output is still the best of any cruiser. Even with a drone bay of 0 it still retains this position.
Mining output remains the same. Slightly less defence during solo mining now.
Cruisers like the Vexor and the mining cruisers can become more usefull thanks to changes such as these.
The main problem of the Thorax is it's inability to face off effectively in PvP vs other cruiser and BS given the current situation.
The cruisers that are used in PvP now rely almost 90% of the time on Speed and Missiles. A tactic that works vs BS and cruisers.
More dronebay or less dronebay the Thorax won't benefit or lose. What it needs is a speed or speed module related bonus.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:55:00 -
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Quote:
People Worried about Drone Bay decrease
The decrease of the drone bay doesn't hurt the Thorax significanly.
It makes it a bit weaker vs Frigates but that is all.
Thorax damage output is still the best of any cruiser. Even with a drone bay of 0 it still retains this position.
Mining output remains the same. Slightly less defence during solo mining now.
Cruisers like the Vexor and the mining cruisers can become more usefull thanks to changes such as these.
The main problem of the Thorax is it's inability to face off effectively in PvP vs other cruiser and BS given the current situation.
The cruisers that are used in PvP now rely almost 90% of the time on Speed and Missiles. A tactic that works vs BS and cruisers.
More dronebay or less dronebay the Thorax won't benefit or lose. What it needs is a speed or speed module related bonus.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
NemesisNL
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:57:00 -
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instead of the tracking bonus on the thorax cant we get a grid bonus instead to make it a little easier to fit ? |
NemesisNL
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:57:00 -
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instead of the tracking bonus on the thorax cant we get a grid bonus instead to make it a little easier to fit ? |
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