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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:59:00 -
[61]
All sounds good to me
except for the vexor drone boost, I think that 1800 is a little too much along with the +1 drone per level, 1500 sounds more reasonable in my opinion
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:59:00 -
[62]
All sounds good to me
except for the vexor drone boost, I think that 1800 is a little too much along with the +1 drone per level, 1500 sounds more reasonable in my opinion
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Teutobod
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:00:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: NemesisNL
instead of the tracking bonus on the thorax cant we get a grid bonus instead to make it a little easier to fit ?
I'd say no.
It would overpower it.
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Teutobod
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:00:00 -
[64]
Originally by: NemesisNL
instead of the tracking bonus on the thorax cant we get a grid bonus instead to make it a little easier to fit ?
I'd say no.
It would overpower it.
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:06:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
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People Worried about Drone Bay decrease
The decrease of the drone bay doesn't hurt the Thorax significanly.
It makes it a bit weaker vs Frigates but that is all.
Thorax damage output is still the best of any cruiser. Even with a drone bay of 0 it still retains this position.
Mining output remains the same. Slightly less defence during solo mining now.
Cruisers like the Vexor and the mining cruisers can become more usefull thanks to changes such as these.
The main problem of the Thorax is it's inability to face off effectively in PvP vs other cruiser and BS given the current situation.
The cruisers that are used in PvP now rely almost 90% of the time on Speed and Missiles. A tactic that works vs BS and cruisers.
More dronebay or less dronebay the Thorax won't benefit or lose. What it needs is a speed or speed module related bonus.
It's not make any differens now, but late when drone patch cames up, it will strike thorax very much.
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:06:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Quote:
People Worried about Drone Bay decrease
The decrease of the drone bay doesn't hurt the Thorax significanly.
It makes it a bit weaker vs Frigates but that is all.
Thorax damage output is still the best of any cruiser. Even with a drone bay of 0 it still retains this position.
Mining output remains the same. Slightly less defence during solo mining now.
Cruisers like the Vexor and the mining cruisers can become more usefull thanks to changes such as these.
The main problem of the Thorax is it's inability to face off effectively in PvP vs other cruiser and BS given the current situation.
The cruisers that are used in PvP now rely almost 90% of the time on Speed and Missiles. A tactic that works vs BS and cruisers.
More dronebay or less dronebay the Thorax won't benefit or lose. What it needs is a speed or speed module related bonus.
It's not make any differens now, but late when drone patch cames up, it will strike thorax very much.
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:07:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Teutobod
I'd say no.
It would overpower it.
with the ability to only use 4 heavy drone or medfium drones it would be weak, you can't even fit good weapons now without filling your low full of reactor controls and if you do you have no room for any type defense.
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:07:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Teutobod
I'd say no.
It would overpower it.
with the ability to only use 4 heavy drone or medfium drones it would be weak, you can't even fit good weapons now without filling your low full of reactor controls and if you do you have no room for any type defense.
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Barry Wild
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:08:00 -
[69]
Cool changes, thumbs up  ;
that finally makes the low end cruisers somewhat usefull
and gives back some color to the game.
Barry Wild
The Catalyst |
Barry Wild
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:08:00 -
[70]
Cool changes, thumbs up ;
that finally makes the low end cruisers somewhat usefull
and gives back some color to the game.
Barry Wild
The Catalyst |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:15:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Terradoct
It's not make any differens now, but late when drone patch cames up, it will strike thorax very much.
On the contrary. If Mediums and Scouts become more usefull after the drone changes.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:15:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Terradoct
It's not make any differens now, but late when drone patch cames up, it will strike thorax very much.
On the contrary. If Mediums and Scouts become more usefull after the drone changes.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Anything
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:17:00 -
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Damn, those are some really nice changes. Great work. They really take into account what the ships are good at. With these changes I definately think that the cruisers will start to see a lot more use.
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Anything
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:17:00 -
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Damn, those are some really nice changes. Great work. They really take into account what the ships are good at. With these changes I definately think that the cruisers will start to see a lot more use.
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NemesisNL
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:17:00 -
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out of all tier 3 cruisers the thorax has the worst loadout.
it has the least total amount of slots (13).
it has the worst grid (700).
only the rupture has worse cpu.
and now you take away offensive/defensive power (depending on playstyle) by cutting the drone bay in half.
in return you get a 5% tracking bonus which i dont think is enough.
you can hardly get a decent setup on without fitting powerdiags/rcu. |
NemesisNL
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:17:00 -
[76]
out of all tier 3 cruisers the thorax has the worst loadout.
it has the least total amount of slots (13).
it has the worst grid (700).
only the rupture has worse cpu.
and now you take away offensive/defensive power (depending on playstyle) by cutting the drone bay in half.
in return you get a 5% tracking bonus which i dont think is enough.
you can hardly get a decent setup on without fitting powerdiags/rcu. |
Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:23:00 -
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Quote:
Arbitrator
Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level
Addon: +1 extra Drone controlled per level
...yeah.. but the ship is suposed to be a drone carrier.. maybe a small boost to drone bay?
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Exequror
Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level.
Addon: 10% bonus to Cargo Capacity per level.
Boost: Cargo Capacity increased from 425.0 to 600.0
NOW you're talking! a nice cargo cruiser has become a better cargo cruiser
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Thorax
Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level.
Addon: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking per level.
Nerf: take drone bay from 2000 to 1000
Comment: still the most destructive cruiser out there
fine.. but i think the nerf is too big, because the descriptiom of the thorax says:
Quote:
The Thorax-class cruisers are the latest combat ships commissioned by the Federation. In the few times it has seen action since its christening, it has performed admirably. The hordes of combat drones it carries allow it to strike against unwary opponents far away and to easily fight many opponents at the same time.
...drone cruiser is one of the main roles of the thorax.
and this lil thing:
Quote:
Vexor
Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level.
Addon: +1 extra Drone controlled per level
Boost: dronebay from 1200 to 1800
hmm.... well the vexor is mainly a ninja mining ship, although the bonus suits well to the role
....as for the rest, I'll say that the rupture could use a bonus to optimal turret range or to missile range.
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Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:23:00 -
[78]
Quote:
Arbitrator
Existing: 10% bonus to Energy Turret capacitor use per level
Addon: +1 extra Drone controlled per level
...yeah.. but the ship is suposed to be a drone carrier.. maybe a small boost to drone bay?
Quote:
Exequror
Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level.
Addon: 10% bonus to Cargo Capacity per level.
Boost: Cargo Capacity increased from 425.0 to 600.0
NOW you're talking! a nice cargo cruiser has become a better cargo cruiser
Quote:
Thorax
Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level.
Addon: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking per level.
Nerf: take drone bay from 2000 to 1000
Comment: still the most destructive cruiser out there
fine.. but i think the nerf is too big, because the descriptiom of the thorax says:
Quote:
The Thorax-class cruisers are the latest combat ships commissioned by the Federation. In the few times it has seen action since its christening, it has performed admirably. The hordes of combat drones it carries allow it to strike against unwary opponents far away and to easily fight many opponents at the same time.
...drone cruiser is one of the main roles of the thorax.
and this lil thing:
Quote:
Vexor
Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level.
Addon: +1 extra Drone controlled per level
Boost: dronebay from 1200 to 1800
hmm.... well the vexor is mainly a ninja mining ship, although the bonus suits well to the role
....as for the rest, I'll say that the rupture could use a bonus to optimal turret range or to missile range.
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Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
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Benkku
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:26:00 -
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Great ideas, this gives most cruisers a role. Thank you
Btw, I love your sig TomB, seems most of you Devs have a great sence of humor
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2004.07.06 19:30:45 combat TomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
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Benkku
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:26:00 -
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Great ideas, this gives most cruisers a role. Thank you
Btw, I love your sig TomB, seems most of you Devs have a great sence of humor
Quote:
2004.07.06 19:30:45 combat TomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:27:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Grimpak
Nerf: take drone bay from 2000 to 1000
Comment: still the most destructive cruiser out there
fine.. but i think the nerf is too big, because the descriptiom of the thorax says:
Quote:
The Thorax-class cruisers are the latest combat ships commissioned by the Federation. In the few times it has seen action since its christening, it has performed admirably. The hordes of combat drones it carries allow it to strike against unwary opponents far away and to easily fight many opponents at the same time.
TomB stated in his first comment:
Quote:
Please note that anything posted below might change, also various others stats or descriptions of the ships:
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:27:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Grimpak
Nerf: take drone bay from 2000 to 1000
Comment: still the most destructive cruiser out there
fine.. but i think the nerf is too big, because the descriptiom of the thorax says:
Quote:
The Thorax-class cruisers are the latest combat ships commissioned by the Federation. In the few times it has seen action since its christening, it has performed admirably. The hordes of combat drones it carries allow it to strike against unwary opponents far away and to easily fight many opponents at the same time.
TomB stated in his first comment:
Quote:
Please note that anything posted below might change, also various others stats or descriptions of the ships:
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Slam
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:29:00 -
[83]
The +1 to drone control is a great addition but the clients have a really hard time keeping up if you have several group carriers in the same area.
Can you put in a request for a graphic config setting: "dont render drones"..or something?
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Slam
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:29:00 -
[84]
The +1 to drone control is a great addition but the clients have a really hard time keeping up if you have several group carriers in the same area.
Can you put in a request for a graphic config setting: "dont render drones"..or something?
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:29:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Terradoct
It's not make any differens now, but late when drone patch cames up, it will strike thorax very much.
On the contrary. If Mediums and Scouts become more usefull after the drone changes.
But not forget that we have only two types of medium drone - Infiltrator(EM) and Hamerhead(THERM) no explosive dmg drone and no kinetik. That's very limits thorax very much.
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:29:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Terradoct
It's not make any differens now, but late when drone patch cames up, it will strike thorax very much.
On the contrary. If Mediums and Scouts become more usefull after the drone changes.
But not forget that we have only two types of medium drone - Infiltrator(EM) and Hamerhead(THERM) no explosive dmg drone and no kinetik. That's very limits thorax very much.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:30:00 -
[87]
Well you asked for comments,
teh pwn!
Time to look out for blackbirds with 5 multispecs and Moa's with some really niec tanking ability
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:30:00 -
[88]
Well you asked for comments,
teh pwn!
Time to look out for blackbirds with 5 multispecs and Moa's with some really niec tanking ability
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Mechkilla
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:30:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Grimpak
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Quote:
Thorax
Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level.
Addon: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking per level.
Nerf: take drone bay from 2000 to 1000
Comment: still the most destructive cruiser out there
fine.. but i think the nerf is too big, because the descriptiom of the thorax says:
Quote:
The Thorax-class cruisers are the latest combat ships commissioned by the Federation. In the few times it has seen action since its christening, it has performed admirably. The hordes of combat drones it carries allow it to strike against unwary opponents far away and to easily fight many opponents at the same time.
...drone cruiser is one of the main roles of the thorax.
After the rework of drones you will mostly use light and medium drones. So again you have a hordes of drones, just smaller ones
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CEO of Asgard Schiffswerften
*** Proud member of [G] ***
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Mechkilla
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:30:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Grimpak
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Quote:
Thorax
Existing: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret damage per level.
Addon: 5% bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking per level.
Nerf: take drone bay from 2000 to 1000
Comment: still the most destructive cruiser out there
fine.. but i think the nerf is too big, because the descriptiom of the thorax says:
Quote:
The Thorax-class cruisers are the latest combat ships commissioned by the Federation. In the few times it has seen action since its christening, it has performed admirably. The hordes of combat drones it carries allow it to strike against unwary opponents far away and to easily fight many opponents at the same time.
...drone cruiser is one of the main roles of the thorax.
After the rework of drones you will mostly use light and medium drones. So again you have a hordes of drones, just smaller ones
____________________________________________
CEO of Asgard Schiffswerften
*** Proud member of [G] ***
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