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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 12:34:00 -
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Thorax should be very similar to a domninx only smaller.
Large drone bay maybe even a drone bonus.
Afterall if has less highs than most ships with only the ability to mount turrets.powergrid isnt very good either.
Sure its damaging IF YOU LIVE TO GET IN RANGE WITH YOUR BLASTERS.
Id rather have the thorax with 1 bonus than this new piece of crap :(
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 12:34:00 -
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Thorax should be very similar to a domninx only smaller.
Large drone bay maybe even a drone bonus.
Afterall if has less highs than most ships with only the ability to mount turrets.powergrid isnt very good either.
Sure its damaging IF YOU LIVE TO GET IN RANGE WITH YOUR BLASTERS.
Id rather have the thorax with 1 bonus than this new piece of crap :(
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 16:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Terradoct
Originally by: Joshua Foiritan
Edited by: Joshua Foiritan on 23/07/2004 15:31:54
WTT : My Thorax for your Vexor + some cash.
Wasted 7 mill on nothing, bah...
same, I bought it not long ago, now traing my skills to be able to fly it, and now what? I only can load max 10 Med drone, of 2 types to chouse.
Tomb PLEASE don't nefr it so much. If you still intend to reducing to 1000 drone bay on Thorax, then add second bonus for medium drone dmg, and add 2 more types of medium drone ( with explousev and kinetic dmg )
Why? Thorax is a blaster ship with drones as compliments, its not intended as a complete drone carrier, thats what the vexor is for.
Yes lets just switch the ships roles around for no real reason.
The vexor becomes what the thorax was supposed to be while the thorax becomes something else.
Why cant the vexor get a scout type bonus and the thorax get the +1 drone per level. Not like theyd be using heavy drones with the bonus since you cant fit the 12 or more drones youd be able to use.
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Terradoct
Originally by: Joshua Foiritan
Edited by: Joshua Foiritan on 23/07/2004 15:31:54
WTT : My Thorax for your Vexor + some cash.
Wasted 7 mill on nothing, bah...
same, I bought it not long ago, now traing my skills to be able to fly it, and now what? I only can load max 10 Med drone, of 2 types to chouse.
Tomb PLEASE don't nefr it so much. If you still intend to reducing to 1000 drone bay on Thorax, then add second bonus for medium drone dmg, and add 2 more types of medium drone ( with explousev and kinetic dmg )
Why? Thorax is a blaster ship with drones as compliments, its not intended as a complete drone carrier, thats what the vexor is for.
Yes lets just switch the ships roles around for no real reason.
The vexor becomes what the thorax was supposed to be while the thorax becomes something else.
Why cant the vexor get a scout type bonus and the thorax get the +1 drone per level. Not like theyd be using heavy drones with the bonus since you cant fit the 12 or more drones youd be able to use.
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: sim2killa
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Terradoct
Originally by: Joshua Foiritan
Edited by: Joshua Foiritan on 23/07/2004 15:31:54
WTT : My Thorax for your Vexor + some cash.
Wasted 7 mill on nothing, bah...
same, I bought it not long ago, now traing my skills to be able to fly it, and now what? I only can load max 10 Med drone, of 2 types to chouse.
Tomb PLEASE don't nefr it so much. If you still intend to reducing to 1000 drone bay on Thorax, then add second bonus for medium drone dmg, and add 2 more types of medium drone ( with explousev and kinetic dmg )
Why? Thorax is a blaster ship with drones as compliments, its not intended as a complete drone carrier, thats what the vexor is for.
Yes lets just switch the ships roles around for no real reason.
The vexor becomes what the thorax was supposed to be while the thorax becomes something else.
Why cant the vexor get a scout type bonus and the thorax get the +1 drone per level. Not like theyd be using heavy drones with the bonus since you cant fit the 12 or more drones youd be able to use.
Thorax is a mini Megathron, hence a close range BLASTER SHIP
Vexor is a mini dominix like it should be.
The Thorax-class cruisers are the latest combat ships commissioned by the Federation. In the few times it has seen action since its christening, it has performed admirably. The hordes of combat drones it carries allow it to strike against unwary opponents far away and to easily fight many opponents at the same time.
Yes afterall now lets make it into something it wasnt.
Lets make the vexor the drone ship.
But thats because it SHOULD be that way right?
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: sim2killa
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Terradoct
Originally by: Joshua Foiritan
Edited by: Joshua Foiritan on 23/07/2004 15:31:54
WTT : My Thorax for your Vexor + some cash.
Wasted 7 mill on nothing, bah...
same, I bought it not long ago, now traing my skills to be able to fly it, and now what? I only can load max 10 Med drone, of 2 types to chouse.
Tomb PLEASE don't nefr it so much. If you still intend to reducing to 1000 drone bay on Thorax, then add second bonus for medium drone dmg, and add 2 more types of medium drone ( with explousev and kinetic dmg )
Why? Thorax is a blaster ship with drones as compliments, its not intended as a complete drone carrier, thats what the vexor is for.
Yes lets just switch the ships roles around for no real reason.
The vexor becomes what the thorax was supposed to be while the thorax becomes something else.
Why cant the vexor get a scout type bonus and the thorax get the +1 drone per level. Not like theyd be using heavy drones with the bonus since you cant fit the 12 or more drones youd be able to use.
Thorax is a mini Megathron, hence a close range BLASTER SHIP
Vexor is a mini dominix like it should be.
The Thorax-class cruisers are the latest combat ships commissioned by the Federation. In the few times it has seen action since its christening, it has performed admirably. The hordes of combat drones it carries allow it to strike against unwary opponents far away and to easily fight many opponents at the same time.
Yes afterall now lets make it into something it wasnt.
Lets make the vexor the drone ship.
But thats because it SHOULD be that way right?
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: sim2killa on 23/07/2004 16:44:47
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: sim2killa
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: sim2killa
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Terradoct
Originally by: Joshua Foiritan
Edited by: Joshua Foiritan on 23/07/2004 15:31:54
WTT : My Thorax for your Vexor + some cash.
Wasted 7 mill on nothing, bah...
same, I bought it not long ago, now traing my skills to be able to fly it, and now what? I only can load max 10 Med drone, of 2 types to chouse.
Tomb PLEASE don't nefr it so much. If you still intend to reducing to 1000 drone bay on Thorax, then add second bonus for medium drone dmg, and add 2 more types of medium drone ( with explousev and kinetic dmg )
Why? Thorax is a blaster ship with drones as compliments, its not intended as a complete drone carrier, thats what the vexor is for.
Yes lets just switch the ships roles around for no real reason.
The vexor becomes what the thorax was supposed to be while the thorax becomes something else.
Why cant the vexor get a scout type bonus and the thorax get the +1 drone per level. Not like theyd be using heavy drones with the bonus since you cant fit the 12 or more drones youd be able to use.
Thorax is a mini Megathron, hence a close range BLASTER SHIP
Vexor is a mini dominix like it should be.
The Thorax-class cruisers are the latest combat ships commissioned by the Federation. In the few times it has seen action since its christening, it has performed admirably. The hordes of combat drones it carries allow it to strike against unwary opponents far away and to easily fight many opponents at the same time.
Yes afterall now lets make it into something it wasnt.
Lets make the vexor the drone ship.
But thats because it SHOULD be that way right?
the thorax's description is goign to be changed according to tomB
and hell it can still use 10 med drones which is what it should be using anyways after the next drone changes come through.
Yep there going to switch the ships roles.
Which is just stupid.
Honestly I think the gall bonuses should be more like-
Exequer mining yield.Theres the Gall mining ship then.
Celestis can stay with what its planned to get.
Vexor should get the cargo.Long patrols and whatnot more supplies.Makes sense to me.
Thorax +1 drone per level.Like I said it wouldnt be heavy drones since Id keep the drone bay to 2k or I guess it could even be lowered to 1500 this way theres most likely NO heavy drones being used.Plus the long range drones are scout drones anyway so itd even fit with the thorax's CURRENT description which has been around for a very long time.
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: sim2killa on 23/07/2004 16:44:47
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: sim2killa
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: sim2killa
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Terradoct
Originally by: Joshua Foiritan
Edited by: Joshua Foiritan on 23/07/2004 15:31:54
WTT : My Thorax for your Vexor + some cash.
Wasted 7 mill on nothing, bah...
same, I bought it not long ago, now traing my skills to be able to fly it, and now what? I only can load max 10 Med drone, of 2 types to chouse.
Tomb PLEASE don't nefr it so much. If you still intend to reducing to 1000 drone bay on Thorax, then add second bonus for medium drone dmg, and add 2 more types of medium drone ( with explousev and kinetic dmg )
Why? Thorax is a blaster ship with drones as compliments, its not intended as a complete drone carrier, thats what the vexor is for.
Yes lets just switch the ships roles around for no real reason.
The vexor becomes what the thorax was supposed to be while the thorax becomes something else.
Why cant the vexor get a scout type bonus and the thorax get the +1 drone per level. Not like theyd be using heavy drones with the bonus since you cant fit the 12 or more drones youd be able to use.
Thorax is a mini Megathron, hence a close range BLASTER SHIP
Vexor is a mini dominix like it should be.
The Thorax-class cruisers are the latest combat ships commissioned by the Federation. In the few times it has seen action since its christening, it has performed admirably. The hordes of combat drones it carries allow it to strike against unwary opponents far away and to easily fight many opponents at the same time.
Yes afterall now lets make it into something it wasnt.
Lets make the vexor the drone ship.
But thats because it SHOULD be that way right?
the thorax's description is goign to be changed according to tomB
and hell it can still use 10 med drones which is what it should be using anyways after the next drone changes come through.
Yep there going to switch the ships roles.
Which is just stupid.
Honestly I think the gall bonuses should be more like-
Exequer mining yield.Theres the Gall mining ship then.
Celestis can stay with what its planned to get.
Vexor should get the cargo.Long patrols and whatnot more supplies.Makes sense to me.
Thorax +1 drone per level.Like I said it wouldnt be heavy drones since Id keep the drone bay to 2k or I guess it could even be lowered to 1500 this way theres most likely NO heavy drones being used.Plus the long range drones are scout drones anyway so itd even fit with the thorax's CURRENT description which has been around for a very long time.
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 16:42:00 -
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Oh, so it is you who decide what the ships are supposed have for roles, not TomB? I had it all mixed up then...
Oh so role changing after well over a year is just fine then?
Maybe we should just wait another year then maybe gallente will be missile specialists cause tomb decided to change his mind again.
I better start training upp my missiles skills...
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 16:42:00 -
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Oh, so it is you who decide what the ships are supposed have for roles, not TomB? I had it all mixed up then...
Oh so role changing after well over a year is just fine then?
Maybe we should just wait another year then maybe gallente will be missile specialists cause tomb decided to change his mind again.
I better start training upp my missiles skills...
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Derran
Edited by: Derran on 23/07/2004 17:08:36
Originally by: sim2killa
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Oh, so it is you who decide what the ships are supposed have for roles, not TomB? I had it all mixed up then...
Oh so role changing after well over a year is just fine then?
Maybe we should just wait another year then maybe gallente will be missile specialists cause tomb decided to change his mind again.
I better start training upp my missiles skills...
And if hindsight was 20/20, I wouldn't have the survey skill or some of the other skills I no longer use that I have wasted about 1M points on out of the 14.4M I have. Everything is subject to change.
Besides which, the Vexor WAS described as a deep space mining ship back in the day. That was the ROLE it was described as filling. Now it can be more directed towards that and really can be for less experienced players. When was the Thorax ever said to be used as a mining ship? The only reason it cut it as a mining ship, and why people used it as such, was the fact that it had 2000 drone bay so that you could use all 5 mining lasers and have the drones defend you. No one wanted to use the Vexor since 4 mining lasers aren't as good as 5 and it gets more ore quicker. I also have never used heavy drones myself in either ship as when you lose one, you have nothing else in your drone bay to replace it so I never immediately wanted to cram it with the best (ie, heavy drones). I have been sticking with medium drones in non-battleships even though I can control 10 at a time now.
Well first now you wont even get backup medium drones :/
And I dont care about mining with it.
Thats why I said the exequer should possibly get the mining yield bonus.That coupled wth drones and its decent cargo would make it the superier miner.
Hell he could go as far as making it so the thorax cant take miners,same for battleships and the other combat oriented ships.Kinda like people have wanted for a long time now.
Also I got almost 3mill in completly wasted points so I know what you mean :(
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Derran
Edited by: Derran on 23/07/2004 17:08:36
Originally by: sim2killa
Quote:
Oh, so it is you who decide what the ships are supposed have for roles, not TomB? I had it all mixed up then...
Oh so role changing after well over a year is just fine then?
Maybe we should just wait another year then maybe gallente will be missile specialists cause tomb decided to change his mind again.
I better start training upp my missiles skills...
And if hindsight was 20/20, I wouldn't have the survey skill or some of the other skills I no longer use that I have wasted about 1M points on out of the 14.4M I have. Everything is subject to change.
Besides which, the Vexor WAS described as a deep space mining ship back in the day. That was the ROLE it was described as filling. Now it can be more directed towards that and really can be for less experienced players. When was the Thorax ever said to be used as a mining ship? The only reason it cut it as a mining ship, and why people used it as such, was the fact that it had 2000 drone bay so that you could use all 5 mining lasers and have the drones defend you. No one wanted to use the Vexor since 4 mining lasers aren't as good as 5 and it gets more ore quicker. I also have never used heavy drones myself in either ship as when you lose one, you have nothing else in your drone bay to replace it so I never immediately wanted to cram it with the best (ie, heavy drones). I have been sticking with medium drones in non-battleships even though I can control 10 at a time now.
Well first now you wont even get backup medium drones :/
And I dont care about mining with it.
Thats why I said the exequer should possibly get the mining yield bonus.That coupled wth drones and its decent cargo would make it the superier miner.
Hell he could go as far as making it so the thorax cant take miners,same for battleships and the other combat oriented ships.Kinda like people have wanted for a long time now.
Also I got almost 3mill in completly wasted points so I know what you mean :(
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Armaki Kalear
How about 1200 drone space for the Thorax. Still keeps the Heavy drones max at 4 but allows an extra 4 scout class. It wouldn't effect mining either.
But to all the Gallente going nuts over the drone space: Look at the Dominix and Vexor. Now look at the Thorax and Megathron. Now which ones look like drone carriers?
What you've got to come to terms with is a fleet of heavy drones will not be possible for cruisers. The new proposed Arbitrator bonus is yet another example of how TomB is encouraging the use of scout drones.
Bull
Get rid of drones on that arbitrator and change the description.How about we then give it 5% rof for its one launcher.Thats about equal to tracking for medium blasters.
I mean the only reasoning you have for the arb to have drones and be good at them is the description...and look at the thorax's description...
Gee the arb is gonna be alot better with drones.
Oh wait I know...lets change its description now :)
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Armaki Kalear
How about 1200 drone space for the Thorax. Still keeps the Heavy drones max at 4 but allows an extra 4 scout class. It wouldn't effect mining either.
But to all the Gallente going nuts over the drone space: Look at the Dominix and Vexor. Now look at the Thorax and Megathron. Now which ones look like drone carriers?
What you've got to come to terms with is a fleet of heavy drones will not be possible for cruisers. The new proposed Arbitrator bonus is yet another example of how TomB is encouraging the use of scout drones.
Bull
Get rid of drones on that arbitrator and change the description.How about we then give it 5% rof for its one launcher.Thats about equal to tracking for medium blasters.
I mean the only reasoning you have for the arb to have drones and be good at them is the description...and look at the thorax's description...
Gee the arb is gonna be alot better with drones.
Oh wait I know...lets change its description now :)
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Heres an Idea, to compensate for your thorax 2000m3 nerf
How about all tier 3 cruiser geta PG boost
Maller- 1100PG
Moa - 900PG
Thorax - 920PG
Rupture - 850PG
hows that? Tweaked a bit here or there, but with that, cruisers wouldnt have to load up on PDUs/RCUs and could focus on tanking/dealing damage, at least the tier III cruisers could.
Yeah they could use more grid.Not sure that the maller needs quite that much but im not an expert on amarr setups.
But with 6 reactor control 2s you could almost mount a tachyon 
And ronyo is right 1500 would be liveable I guess.
Think the thorax would still be missing something but a really good second bonus would offset it.Tracking is NOT that bonus though.
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.23 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Heres an Idea, to compensate for your thorax 2000m3 nerf
How about all tier 3 cruiser geta PG boost
Maller- 1100PG
Moa - 900PG
Thorax - 920PG
Rupture - 850PG
hows that? Tweaked a bit here or there, but with that, cruisers wouldnt have to load up on PDUs/RCUs and could focus on tanking/dealing damage, at least the tier III cruisers could.
Yeah they could use more grid.Not sure that the maller needs quite that much but im not an expert on amarr setups.
But with 6 reactor control 2s you could almost mount a tachyon
And ronyo is right 1500 would be liveable I guess.
Think the thorax would still be missing something but a really good second bonus would offset it.Tracking is NOT that bonus though.
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.25 17:39:00 -
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it seams that you are making the rax into a mini mega and the vexor into a mini domi.
Fine 6th high slot for the thorax thats a missile launcher then please.
Also another 25-50 grid wouldnt hurt.Since it currently has the LEAST grid out of all the top tier cruisers and it is supposed to be mounting 5 guns unlike the moa and rupture.Not to mention the almost required mwd which is needed for the blasters its supposed to be using.
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.25 17:39:00 -
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it seams that you are making the rax into a mini mega and the vexor into a mini domi.
Fine 6th high slot for the thorax thats a missile launcher then please.
Also another 25-50 grid wouldnt hurt.Since it currently has the LEAST grid out of all the top tier cruisers and it is supposed to be mounting 5 guns unlike the moa and rupture.Not to mention the almost required mwd which is needed for the blasters its supposed to be using.
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.25 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Morikai Acler
Originally by: sim2killa
Quote:
it seams that you are making the rax into a mini mega and the vexor into a mini domi.
Fine 6th high slot for the thorax thats a missile launcher then please.
Also another 25-50 grid wouldnt hurt.Since it currently has the LEAST grid out of all the top tier cruisers and it is supposed to be mounting 5 guns unlike the moa and rupture.Not to mention the almost required mwd which is needed for the blasters its supposed to be using.
Ok, compare the 5 guns on the Thorax, to the 4 of the same guns on a Moa and 2 heavy launchers. Then take into that the fact the moa is a shield tank so it takes more of a hit from the MWD penalty than others do.
why is it your putting a mwd on a moa again?
only blasters and some laser/autocannon setups require one.
launchers take very little grid.they take a fair bit of cpu though
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.25 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Morikai Acler
Originally by: sim2killa
Quote:
it seams that you are making the rax into a mini mega and the vexor into a mini domi.
Fine 6th high slot for the thorax thats a missile launcher then please.
Also another 25-50 grid wouldnt hurt.Since it currently has the LEAST grid out of all the top tier cruisers and it is supposed to be mounting 5 guns unlike the moa and rupture.Not to mention the almost required mwd which is needed for the blasters its supposed to be using.
Ok, compare the 5 guns on the Thorax, to the 4 of the same guns on a Moa and 2 heavy launchers. Then take into that the fact the moa is a shield tank so it takes more of a hit from the MWD penalty than others do.
why is it your putting a mwd on a moa again?
only blasters and some laser/autocannon setups require one.
launchers take very little grid.they take a fair bit of cpu though
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.25 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: sim2killa on 25/07/2004 20:59:32
Theres a 50 powergrid difference.
Which is what I said would do it for a thorax Id think.Still gonna need grid mods but it should save you a slot.
I mean techniclly your supposed to armour tank and mwd to the opponet in thorax.
1 rep-150
1 mwd-150
Granted you dont NEED to armour tank it...
so you got 575 grid left for 5 high slots.so im not even arguing for the best weapons.Hell to fit 5 200mms thats more grid than a thorax has without mods.Only guns it can fit without them are ions/electrons/dual 150s
and if you go 5 ions 1 mwd your overgrid already.
Personally I think 50 more grid would do it.Think I might be able to fit my current setup then with a tech 2 reactor and eng 5.Not sure would have to check.Itd be close.
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sim2killa
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Posted - 2004.07.25 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: sim2killa on 25/07/2004 20:59:32
Theres a 50 powergrid difference.
Which is what I said would do it for a thorax Id think.Still gonna need grid mods but it should save you a slot.
I mean techniclly your supposed to armour tank and mwd to the opponet in thorax.
1 rep-150
1 mwd-150
Granted you dont NEED to armour tank it...
so you got 575 grid left for 5 high slots.so im not even arguing for the best weapons.Hell to fit 5 200mms thats more grid than a thorax has without mods.Only guns it can fit without them are ions/electrons/dual 150s
and if you go 5 ions 1 mwd your overgrid already.
Personally I think 50 more grid would do it.Think I might be able to fit my current setup then with a tech 2 reactor and eng 5.Not sure would have to check.Itd be close.
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