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Dsan
Nomads Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.09.13 02:31:00 -
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Hi I'm kinda looking into the term, "Bitter vet" or "Bitter Veteran" .
I'd love to know when you consider someone a bitter vet or first time thought of yourself as a bitter vet.
Maybe you have a story about something that made you realize you're a vet or maybe not one after all. Maybe you have an opinion about noobs not being able to be bittervets because they didn't experience the warp to zero or know about learning skills.
Tl;Dr So in general, anything and everything you have on your mind regarding the term "Bitter Veteran of Eve-Online" is what I am interrested in.
Best regards Dsan And thanks a lot. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.13 02:46:00 -
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When you stop getting mad at CCP, and instead just sigh in resignation. |
Dsan
Nomads Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.09.13 02:48:00 -
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Xython wrote:When you stop getting mad at CCP, and instead just sigh in resignation.
Hehe, I can follow you on that one :D |
yumike
Eve of Madness
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Posted - 2011.09.13 02:50:00 -
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I don't believe there is a dictionary definition, But I consider a bittervet to be someone that has been around a bit, Loves the game for what it is/was and isn't necessarily happy with change in direction.
This may or may not be - Direction of the game - Balance Changes - CCP Decisions (Marketing ones, free beginner implants for e.g) - Plethora of other ingame-issues.
Bittervet's are probably sticking around cause: 1.) Skilling is important if you think youll ever be interested in playing again. 2.) Friends/Social ties (This is my failure here) 3.) Logging in and ship spinning (Oh wait...!)
There's nothing particularly wrong about being a bittervet, So they make some decisions you may or may not be happy with. This is life. I am generally amused when I see people attempt to use it as a derrogatory term when you know in fact, especially if they are an elder player they have poured over the patch notes a couple times and gone "thats bollocks!" or "Where's this?!"
My two cents. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.09.13 03:08:00 -
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When you lose a station and have 20 bil worth of personal assets trapped and no longer care. When you log on once every 15 days to change skills but never undock (or decloak your supercap alt). When you know nothing that CCP will do in the next 12 months will make you happy.
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Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Iure Divino
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Posted - 2011.09.13 03:08:00 -
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When Incarna came out and there was no T2 Harby... I became a bittervet. |
Dsan
Nomads Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.09.13 03:10:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:When you lose a station and have 20 bil worth of personal assets trapped and no longer care. When you log on once every 15 days to change skills but never undock (or decloak your supercap alt). When you know nothing that CCP will do in the next 12 months will make you happy.
Sounds tough and VERY bitter vet like, I feel less vet now :P |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.09.13 03:25:00 -
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Dsan wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:When you lose a station and have 20 bil worth of personal assets trapped and no longer care. When you log on once every 15 days to change skills but never undock (or decloak your supercap alt). When you know nothing that CCP will do in the next 12 months will make you happy.
Sounds tough and VERY bitter vet like, I feel less vet now :P
No that just sounds like being old. lol
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.09.13 03:27:00 -
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A bitter veteran of EVE has to have two attributes:
1.) An overwhelming sense that things should go their way regardless of anyone else.
2.) What they see as having been around "a long time." (This couples with the first making them "more deserving.")
a. It's not like Napoleon's troops hiking home from Moscow while he grabs a carriage ride to Paris.
b. It's not like Napoleon's troops abandoned in Egypt while he grabs a boat ride back to Paris.
In EVE the bitter vet has more to do with a dysfunction of the ego than with anything else. I'd venture a guess only a handful of players have had experiences that approach a. and b. In fact, I'd say the most difficult part of their lives is the distance between the computer chair and the refrigerator. With this much time on their hands it's easy to understand their minds wandering and becoming filled with visions of grandeur. Then, being denied their just due, the bitterness sets in. It's a form of intellectual nail-biting, however that's a stretch as one must have an intellect to begin with.
Being in possession of an intellect the equation changes. These people realize they aren't supposed to be the focus of all attention on earth, so when it doesn't come to them, they aren't surprised. And, they understand the difference between being a paying customer, and being the owner of a business providing a service in a capitalist economic system.
There is help for the bitter veteran of EVE, but the BVoE has to WANT to be helped.
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Fawcks
Avoid and Evade Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.13 03:29:00 -
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Man all I care about in Eve is making my wallet bigger. Damn are my standards low. :( |
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Ezeria Mistanta
The Nyan Cat Pirates Extract.
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Posted - 2011.09.13 04:03:00 -
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I think it is a product of being around long enough to hear all the promises from various fanfests and on the forums and then never seeing any of those awesome things come to be or that they come to be in some pale or terrible form.
But it can also be someone who has been around so long that they simply hate change at all. They want things the way they use to be and wear rose colored monocles on both eyes ;) |
Xander Riggs
Star Surfers Coalition of Free Stars
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Posted - 2011.09.13 04:18:00 -
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A bittervet is simply someone who wants more. The longer people pay, the more entitled they feel despite the fact that they pay no more than anyone else (often less, withc Eve's PLEX system).
While new players will see something they think is broken and say 'Well, that sucks, but there's this whole REST OF THE GAME to involve myself with,' a bittervet will target lock that single issue and let it dominate their game experience. Even if that issue is fixed, a bittervet will blame 'trust issues' with the company and claim that they have in some way been betrayed by every marketing or game design decision from that point on.
The bittervet hates change, especially if it benefits others or brings more people to the game. |
Stormhammer Investments
Stormhammer Holdings
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Posted - 2011.09.13 04:22:00 -
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When you're an idiot who has nothing better to do with his life except to whine on a forum about a game you dislike so much yet can't bear to quit the game and do something more productive with your life.
You know who you are.
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Ezeria Mistanta
The Nyan Cat Pirates Extract.
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Posted - 2011.09.13 05:16:00 -
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Stormhammer Investments wrote:When you're an idiot.......
You know who you are.
I have been outed... |
Caleb Locke
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.13 05:40:00 -
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They attract flies. |
Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.09.13 05:53:00 -
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If you are fed up with the game, but too addicted to take a break from forum posting..
You are a bitter vet. |
Shiwan Khan
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.09.13 05:54:00 -
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when you look back at how things used to be and miss it, bugs and all. (cmon castor) |
Nefrin Maldoes
Outer Rim Survey and Salvage
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Posted - 2011.09.13 06:18:00 -
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When you fit all the criteria of this manual:
Bitter Vet Manual |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.13 07:28:00 -
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You become a bittervet (aka much crying old expert) when you see how much potential Eve had a few years ago and realise that the potential will never be fulfilled.
And then you sign up to Failheap Challenge. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.09.13 07:28:00 -
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Hm. I consider a vet being in Eve-Online for 3 years 80% of the time and about 50M-60M SP minimum (4+ years and 92M+ SP atm). (I know very few vets 5 years in eve, and only 20M SP, alot of on and off
Sure game changes can implact alot for us players, but I can become a bitter vet when CCP does something wrong, then your friends you become accustomed to quits and alliance/corporation becomes more boring. Then you rage at CCP to hurry up to sort the **** so you can get your friends back to make Eve-Online fun.
I was very bitter vet when CCP didn't make our last AT a very successful one, especially pre-qualifications. It is an annual thing and that's when CCP is suppose to be deeply involved with the players from the beginning planning stages to the end of the AT ... However, CCP started at Semi-finals. EveTV, Eve Radio wasn't involved as a community for pre-qualifications. I tried to, but my FC got mad at me when I streamed. :(
TL:DR?
I turn into a bitter vet when:
CCP did something to Eve-Online and make my friends quit. CCP not deeply involved with community. Lack of station spinning, meaning less time being AFK, idling when leaving Eve-Online on. |
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Itoliog
Sanctuary Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.13 07:34:00 -
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You my friend, have just won EVE. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.09.13 07:44:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:When you lose a station and have 20 bil worth of personal assets trapped and no longer care. When you log on once every 15 days to change skills but never undock (or decloak your supercap alt). When you know nothing that CCP will do in the next 12 months will make you happy.
Sounds about right.
Although posting sarcastic comments on the forums must be included in this.
I myself am a bitter vet I guess, but in every bitter vet there is fanboy trying to get out and play.
CCP can screw up and lose the vets and other subscriptions the coming months, or it can gloriously pull through and achieve once again the momentum it build up along the years. I am not holding my breath, but my inner fanboy will be. (I hope he doesn't die) - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.09.13 07:53:00 -
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Itoliog wrote:You my friend, have just won EVE.
Spelling and punctuation are important to a true bitter vet. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.13 08:06:00 -
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Some days I am a bitter vet, some days I am not.
Often related to the level of alcohol in my blood. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Sexy Moped
The Drones Club
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Posted - 2011.09.13 08:19:00 -
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A bitter vet is someone who cannot accept new changes or unable to adapt to them thus making their gameplay harder or rendering it useless, then they decide to use the forums in the hope that everyone agrees with their views and perhaps it will not change so the bitter vet can still have an advantage over everyone.
I could link some examples but their are too many threads in general chat at the moment so they are easy enough to find and perhaps a good example would be the current CSM issue's (trying to force a company to change their ways for their gain) as they are vets who cannot adapt to change and would rather listen to themselves and their mates of x amount of years so they can gain another advantage over everyone else (just look at my sig, this is a good example).
BTW i'm not a bitter vet, i just got better things to worry about. your respect is meaningless, and i only represent my constituents - not crybabies with entitlement complexes
-The Mittani 17.07.2011 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1549785&page=6#158 |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.09.13 08:35:00 -
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The ones I see as bitter vets are those that go through the history and pull out only the negative things they don't like (often things that are just "opinion based") then declare how nothing has improved, nothing has been fixed, etc...
When you point out things that they should find worth while - it's replied with "yeah but ..." or "yes, there were things that did get better but not enough".
When that happens, and it happens for intervals with some, you have a "bitter vet" moment showing. |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.13 08:53:00 -
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Some Vets get ANGORZ when NEWBs don't show them "due" respect.. I'm sorry you've been playing the game 5 years and your just now attempting things I learned from jump..
But without you Vets the info and common sense would not exist.. amirite?
So the next a NEWB pods you.. don't get bitter and all wardecy.. be proud of the up and comers at least we're not with the DRF.. |
Iceni
Angel Constellation
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Posted - 2011.09.13 08:55:00 -
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A "Bitter Vet" is simply someone who's been around long enough to learn first-hand that SOON is a very, very long time. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.09.13 08:59:00 -
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When Eve is no longer about spaceships but is just a glorified chat room. Also its when you have been around long enough that nothing ingame actually seems worth it.
To the person who said a bittervet is one who can't adapt, you can't be more wrong. Most bittervets would love something new added that makes them rethink the way they do things, also they've been through a lot of changes already so are use to it. However that doesn't mean they actually agree with the changes and are usually just vocal about it. |
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.13 09:04:00 -
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Bittervet:
When learning skills where removed, nearly ragequitted because of newbies/noobs/others who did-¦nt maxed out them got SP shoved up their a**es from CCP.
Giving away millions to ppl asking for them in local.
Helping out a newbie in an ishtar in a lvl1 mission for posing.
Not getting nervous when knowing that you have no skill injected, and can-¦t log on.
Sadly this all is me. Bittervet? |
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