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Kuolematon Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.01.07 09:59:00 - [31] Wait, you can hook up google ads to your killboard? Where can I sign up? Anyway, use host that costs nothing and your good .. just like my KB "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Ralle030583 Gallente RIMTECH NOVA GOTISCHES IMPERIUM	Posted - 2009.01.07 11:33:00 - [32] Edited by: Ralle030583 on 07/01/2009 11:34:20 Originally by: WShatner Edited by: WShatner on 07/01/2009 07:15:35 Originally by: Karbowiak Edited by: Karbowiak on 07/01/2009 02:53:41 ..karbs stuff .. So, basically, you want to make a load of ISK/$/ú from Google ads on your superkillboard that everyone must visit, while depriving the actual killboards who feed your superkillboard of traffic so they less make money. Parasite. so basicallyyou are an *** who even haven't vistied our sites... i dont see any google ads there.. plz show them to me... yeah i know i shoudnt feed trolls but.. coudn't resist to answear Greetings Ralle030583, EVSCO Team P.S the few ads at buttom are from ISKSense and they dont pay for traffic, only for klicks few ISKs ;-)
SentryRaven Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:11:00 - [33] Edited by: SentryRaven on 07/01/2009 13:11:30 I can't add the KIA Alliance killboard, your add URL page gives me the error: "Error: You provided an incorrect URL." for http://killboard.kia-clan.info/?a=feed
Ralle030583 Gallente RIMTECH NOVA GOTISCHES IMPERIUM	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:26:00 - [34] Edited by: Ralle030583 on 07/01/2009 13:28:46 Originally by: SentryRaven Edited by: SentryRaven on 07/01/2009 13:11:30 I can't add the KIA Alliance killboard, your add URL page gives me the error: "Error: You provided an incorrect URL." for http://killboard.kia-clan.info/?a=feed KIA Alliance with that url is already added, pherhaps thats the reason? ;-) pherhaps klicked twice? dunno what happend but its in the list shown on the page
Karbowiak Caldari untaught G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:18:00 - [35] Edited by: Karbowiak on 07/01/2009 16:08:58 Edited by: Karbowiak on 07/01/2009 15:19:11 Originally by: WShatner Edited by: WShatner on 07/01/2009 07:15:35 So, basically, you want to make a load of ISK/$/ú from Google ads on your superkillboard that everyone must visit, while depriving the actual killboards who feed your superkillboard of traffic so they less make money. Parasite. what.. are you seriously an idiot?.. There are no google adds on our killboards, and the ones getting the biggest bandwidth hit is us.. Originally by: SentryRaven Edited by: SentryRaven on 07/01/2009 13:11:30 I can't add the KIA Alliance killboard, your add URL page gives me the error: "Error: You provided an incorrect URL." for http://killboard.kia-clan.info/?a=feed Odd, i tested it out last night and it should had accepted the url - i'll look a bit more at it tonight, however the KIA killboard is already added :) And we have already stolen all your mails
SentryRaven Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:52:00 - [36] Originally by: Karbowiak Odd, i tested it out last night and it should had accepted the url - i'll look a bit more at it tonight, however the KIA killboard is already added :) And we have already stolen all your mails I'll be stealing them back in a few, just let me setup my feeds....
Mangold Gallente Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:35:00 - [37] I find that the killboard is down almost as often as before the server change.
Karbowiak Caldari untaught G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.01.08 00:07:00 - [38] Originally by: Mangold I find that the killboard is down almost as often as before the server change. If your talking about eve-kill, then yeah it probably is - everytime memcached drops the cache of the page, it takes ~60-80s to load, but the loadbalancer times out after 45-50s.. So you get an error page, give it 10s then hit F5 and it should load up properly Thaaat being said, it will get better as soon.
Kuolematon Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.01.08 08:56:00 - [39] I still want to know how to reap cash from google ads about ISK selling on my killboard! "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Karbowiak Caldari untaught G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.01.08 12:22:00 - [40] Originally by: Kuolematon I still want to know how to reap cash from google ads about ISK selling on my killboard! create google ads account, add google ads link to the bottom or the top in the index.tpl.. voila.. not exactly rocket science oh and bump :P LONG LIVE CONCRETE!
Cicilus Hadrican Caldari More-Cowbell	Posted - 2009.01.08 16:30:00 - [41] I always found it weird on why CCP just doesnt take like the current Killboard type formats that we see nowadays and have a feed straight from the server into a master killboard... I mean if ingame server bandwidth was the issue..then extend downtime by 10-30 minutes to funnel all the data out onto the board and then we could have a glorious Master killboard with 100% accuracy. All hosted by the game creators and not out of players pockets. But my idea is probably out of the question and near lunacy. Other then that. Great job on taking this on and hope it works out. Even though it still wont be 100% accurate due to...people dont know about it...refuse to use it...members of current boards not posting kills/deaths (damn FW co-pilots...)
Karbowiak Caldari untaught G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.01.08 19:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican I always found it weird on why CCP just doesnt take like the current Killboard type formats that we see nowadays and have a feed straight from the server into a master killboard... I mean if ingame server bandwidth was the issue..then extend downtime by 10-30 minutes to funnel all the data out onto the board and then we could have a glorious Master killboard with 100% accuracy. All hosted by the game creators and not out of players pockets. But my idea is probably out of the question and near lunacy. Other then that. Great job on taking this on and hope it works out. Even though it still wont be 100% accurate due to...people dont know about it...refuse to use it...members of current boards not posting kills/deaths (damn FW co-pilots...) We are adressing the Faction Warfare aspect atm.. We already have working Faction Warfare stuff at the moment, just need to integrate it properly with the registration. Plus public FW boards are comming up soon ;)
MirrorGod Amarr Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.01.08 20:49:00 - [43] Any way to get the database sync'd with battleclinic? I'd say goodbye to BC all together but quite honestly they're the best option since they've been around for so long. In a yea ror two if ESC is still around that may change. I must say this is a great service just because now ANY new pvp corp can get their own EDK (readable, non-griefwatch/BC fail) board. Heretic Nation synced up and supporting.
Gut Punch Gallente Shade. Penumbra Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 21:14:00 - [44] Edited by: Gut Punch on 08/01/2009 21:14:16 Quote: Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request GET /. Reason: Error reading from remote server -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.5.1 PHP/5.2.6-0.1~lenny1 with Suhosin-Patch mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at www.eve-kill.net Port 80 Just an FYI. Got this while trying to look around today at the time of this post. Nice serivce. Please kick Battleclinic into the garbage can.
Karbowiak Caldari untaught G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.01.08 21:32:00 - [45] Originally by: MirrorGod Any way to get the database sync'd with battleclinic? I'd say goodbye to BC all together but quite honestly they're the best option since they've been around for so long. In a yea ror two if ESC is still around that may change. I must say this is a great service just because now ANY new pvp corp can get their own EDK (readable, non-griefwatch/BC fail) board. Heretic Nation synced up and supporting. Thanks for the support m8. We are just about to hit 2million mails in the database, where GW/BC has about 4million mails according to our sources (might be wrong?) We cant sync with battleclinic since battleclinic doesnt give out a feed, and raw mails aren't a thing they like to share afaik (havn't checked this tbh) Originally by: Gut Punch Edited by: Gut Punch on 08/01/2009 21:14:16 Quote: Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request GET /. Reason: Error reading from remote server -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.5.1 PHP/5.2.6-0.1~lenny1 with Suhosin-Patch mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at www.eve-kill.net Port 80 Just an FYI. Got this while trying to look around today at the time of this post. Nice serivce. Please kick Battleclinic into the garbage can. The GET /. error is when you look at eve-kill.net and there is a timeout on loading the page. EVE-Kill non-memcached takes about 60-80s to load, mainly since there are a TON of mails to load for any given week. We are working on a way to make it load faster and better keeping it cached, but we've only just begun on that. And we will try and kick battleclinic in the garbage can ;)
Deira Lenia Gallente The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2009.01.08 21:53:00 - [46] The Problem Killboards are incomplete, and do not show full kill/loss reports, which make exellent material for smack. The Awnser API feed into alliance/corp/faction KB. KB feed into "superkb". NC tried it but failed as they never got all the feeds and many were never posted. Tbh, i cant see any downsides to a project like this, apart from stubborn people that dont give a KB feed. or people who cant pay the bandwith bill incase they make hundreds of kills/losses each day. which means that still kills/losses will be missing. Didnt Karbo say he doesnt have any (or hardly) google ads? He will be spending most of the bandwith, as everything will have to end up on his machine. -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums
Karbowiak Caldari untaught G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.01.08 22:08:00 - [47] Originally by: Deira Lenia The Problem Killboards are incomplete, and do not show full kill/loss reports, which make exellent material for smack. The Awnser API feed into alliance/corp/faction KB. KB feed into "superkb". NC tried it but failed as they never got all the feeds and many were never posted. Tbh, i cant see any downsides to a project like this, apart from stubborn people that dont give a KB feed. or people who cant pay the bandwith bill incase they make hundreds of kills/losses each day. which means that still kills/losses will be missing. Didnt Karbo say he doesnt have any (or hardly) google ads? He will be spending most of the bandwith, as everything will have to end up on his machine. The ones who will be giving out bandwidth, is us :P The amount of bandwidth used for the killboard we feed from is minor, maybe not even 10MB a day.. As for killmails, we cant guarantee that people post all their mails. We dont control all APIs in EVE (even if we did, it'd be a herculean task to fetch from all of them) And we dont have any google ads on our pages at all, we have a single Isksense banner at the bottom of evsco, and on our free boards we have isksense banners at the bottom and a line at the top. And the feeds are clean ;) As for the "superkb" feeding problem, there will continue to be problems when services like Battleclinic and Griefwatch dont offer a way to get mails from them, same with the AAA, Goon and BoB killboards whom also dont like to share mails. Only way to get around the problem that is now is to either have them all open up and actually share mails, or that CCP says **** it - and makes a killmail database where you can request killmails from, from the start to now - on a weekly/monthly/yearly basis. Sadly tho, none of the above solutions will ever happen. GriefWatch will continue to live by the name GRIEF and GRIEF its customers to hell, and Battleclinic will keep continuing being a piece of sht.. As for the BoB, Goon and AAA board - i couldn't care less.. The Goon board we already synched all mails from and continue to sync mails from (hardy har har), AAA board we are trying to make work now - and the BoB board.. oh i wont even start with that anyway.. //Karb LONG LIVE CONCRETE!*
HyperBeanie Gallente Phantom Squad	Posted - 2009.01.08 22:14:00 - [48] To finish of the bandwidth usage, we use the "lastkllid" option of the feed. Which simply means, we ONLY fetch the mail we haven't seen yet! Minimum load at our servers, minimum load at your servers. Usually we are speaking between 1-100 mails at a time. Not a whole week of mails! And as Karb said, feel free to leech your corp/alliance mails back! /Beanie
Adeptus mecanicus Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's Sons-Of-Anarchy	Posted - 2009.01.09 02:46:00 - [49] with free KB and the corp tab to keep on top of losses/kills ......only GBS or colalision might fall fore it and they have their own sites.... Grunt's Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned	Posted - 2009.01.09 04:58:00 - [50] Would you guys be able to add global stats to eve-kill.net. I realise you can list individual corp and alliance stats. But a link to stats of all kills would be cool. Would be interesting to see what the most used ships\weapons of all time and month by month are. That way you can track the rise and fall in popularity of certain ships and tactics over time. For the epeen crowd a ranking of top players/corps/alliances may be cool to have too.
Karbowiak Caldari untaught G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.01.09 11:51:00 - [51] Originally by: Adeptus mecanicus with free KB and the corp tab to keep on top of losses/kills ......only GBS or colalision might fall fore it and they have their own sites.... What are you on about?.. If your talking about the boards we sell, host etc. then please take it to our sales thread. Other than that, learn to type properly.. Originally by: Norwood Franskly Would you guys be able to add global stats to eve-kill.net. I realise you can list individual corp and alliance stats. But a link to stats of all kills would be cool. Would be interesting to see what the most used ships\weapons of all time and month by month are. That way you can track the rise and fall in popularity of certain ships and tactics over time. For the epeen crowd a ranking of top players/corps/alliances may be cool to have too. Weeelll, hmm.. I'll try and look into that.. might be doable without too big of a database hit :)
Jarne Caldari Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.01.09 13:01:00 - [52] I have always dreamt about something like this. Nice things you can extract from such a big database... e.g. - statistics on how big survival chances are based on numbers, ship types etc. - ELO-like ratings of players (based on the above statistics this should somehow be possible) - ELO ratings for ship types (this should be fun :-), automatic FOTM generator) - stuff Question (if not already answered): Is all the data accessible via an API or database access :-P?
Karbowiak Caldari untaught G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.01.09 15:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Jarne I have always dreamt about something like this. Nice things you can extract from such a big database... e.g. - statistics on how big survival chances are based on numbers, ship types etc. - ELO-like ratings of players (based on the above statistics this should somehow be possible) - ELO ratings for ship types (this should be fun :-), automatic FOTM generator) - stuff Question (if not already answered): Is all the data accessible via an API or database access :-P? Weeeellll... No, lol.. There are no API access or external DB access - however if you feel like making a FOTM Generator or any of the other kind of stats - feel free to contact us on IRC. And we will look at what you have to offer and what you require in return for doing such coding :)
Lagkills Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.01.09 16:38:00 - [54] Hopefully CCP will someday put end for these "Giev us isk and we give you nice kb" thingies... Sadly to see this "Project" is for getting some free AD in forums, getting ppl to look sites and hopefully someone buy our "nice" kb.s
Karbowiak Caldari untaught G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.01.09 16:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Lagkills Hopefully CCP will someday put end for these "Giev us isk and we give you nice kb" thingies... Sadly to see this "Project" is for getting some free AD in forums, getting ppl to look sites and hopefully someone buy our "nice" kb.s its amazing how stupid you are .. In the first post, nowhere does it say 'please look at our main page and then buy a killboard' What you dont seem to get, is that we are giving away a free service to everyone who wants to use it, and we are in no way requiring YOU or anyone else to look at our pages.. hell you can get around just adding the feed and feeding kills - and never look at the page Can a mod clean the thread for stupid posts like the one above? Thanks LONG LIVE CONCRETE!
Ralle030583 Gallente RIMTECH NOVA GOTISCHES IMPERIUM	Posted - 2009.01.09 16:55:00 - [56] Originally by: Lagkills Hopefully CCP will someday put end for these "Giev us isk and we give you nice kb" thingies... Sadly to see this "Project" is for getting some free AD in forums, getting ppl to look sites and hopefully someone buy our "nice" kb.s btw. simply buying GTC instead of paying the servers for the money would yield in more ISK tbh.. and as Karb said.. we dont force ppl to use our KB's we offering free feeds and a shared KM database here..
Rajere Gallente No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:47:00 - [57] Edited by: Rajere on 10/01/2009 21:49:02 On a somewhat related issue that CCP could fix, for some very strange reason only directors are able to view the War Tab's kills/losses for a corporation. There are no Roles which can be granted to members in your corporation that would give them access to this data. imho any pvp corporation should have no problem with all of their members having access to that data, since it should match to their out of game killboard anyway and more eyes able to compare the two for inconsistencies is a good thing. Industrial corps obviously might have a problem with giving out such a role, as would corps who claim to post their mails yet don't. If you're worried about spies, a: who cares, they already have your out of game killboard (even if you have it hidden from public view) so they have all the info already, regardless if you give them the role or not, and b: you'd want spies in your corp to setup api pulls on your enemies killboards, it keeps both your team and their team honest (to the degree which api is reliable, which it is not 100%) Anyway, if they added that role, people could slap that role on an alt character with no other roles and share the limited api key with others, services like this for example, without fear of providing other sensitive corp information such as wallets and hangars and what not that you get from a Director's API key. Basically go straight to the source instead of relying on feeds from killboards, both those you host and those you don't, which rely on their willingness to use api (which many say they do yet don't) so really they rely on their members honesty to post mails. This isn't really a problem for us, but that's only because everyone in my corp is a director, though some of them are only fake directors where all grantable roles are granted, since the person who got stuck with the ceo spot isn't actually a ceo and thus doesn't have to sit around fixing roles for ppl if he doesn't want to, and he's the only one who can do it.
Karbowiak Caldari untaught	Posted - 2009.01.12 15:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 10/01/2009 21:49:02 On a somewhat related issue that CCP could fix, for some very strange reason only directors are able to view the War Tab's kills/losses for a corporation. There are no Roles which can be granted to members in your corporation that would give them access to this data. imho any pvp corporation should have no problem with all of their members having access to that data, since it should match to their out of game killboard anyway and more eyes able to compare the two for inconsistencies is a good thing. Industrial corps obviously might have a problem with giving out such a role, as would corps who claim to post their mails yet don't. If you're worried about spies, a: who cares, they already have your out of game killboard (even if you have it hidden from public view) so they have all the info already, regardless if you give them the role or not, and b: you'd want spies in your corp to setup api pulls on your enemies killboards, it keeps both your team and their team honest (to the degree which api is reliable, which it is not 100%) Anyway, if they added that role, people could slap that role on an alt character with no other roles and share the limited api key with others, services like this for example, without fear of providing other sensitive corp information such as wallets and hangars and what not that you get from a Director's API key. Basically go straight to the source instead of relying on feeds from killboards, both those you host and those you don't, which rely on their willingness to use api (which many say they do yet don't) so really they rely on their members honesty to post mails. This isn't really a problem for us, but that's only because everyone in my corp is a director, though some of them are only fake directors where all grantable roles are granted, since the person who got stuck with the ceo spot isn't actually a ceo and thus doesn't have to sit around fixing roles for ppl if he doesn't want to, and he's the only one who can do it. I will give you right in that, CCP should fix the API so that the limited API can work as a killlog viewer, if given the correct permissions in corp All of this being said tho, we cant fetch mails from +200 API keys, it'd just be to much. As the feed works now, it fetches from about 60 boards in less than 5 minutes - which is sufficient ;)
HyperBeanie Gallente Phantom Squad	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:30:00 - [59] I'm thinking about writing a small app, which corp directors could have running. Only thing it does is: fetch the kills from your killlog, then posts them to evsco ( or where you want posted). This would eliminate the need for "turning over" your full apikey. This would offcourse be opensource and not send anything else than kills :) /Beanie
Haka Aragon Caldari SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.01.14 03:17:00 - [60] The EvE Killboard Corporation and all our customers at www.evekb.co.uk have requested that our customers mails be linked into the EVSCO network to provide a better coverage for bother our clients and the clients of the EVSCO network. We work alongside Karbo and the team at EVSCO to improve both services for the benefit of all. Free bump for Karbo

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