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Another Whine	Posted - 2009.01.05 11:48:00 - [31] Edited by: Another Whine on 05/01/2009 11:48:49 Originally by: Alex Harumichi My own fixes would be: - nerf either pulse optimal range or pulse tracking a bit - increase blaster tracking (it fights at ultra-close range, it needs to hit there) - increase Lach/Arazu sensor damp bonus (or give them range bonuses) - remove ECM range bonus from Falcon, let Rook be the long-range jammer - fix the rest of the faction ships that need help (as was done with Phantasm/Nightmare, which was an excellent upgrade) - give Nighthawk more grid (duh) ...but yes, balance is pretty good now, in general. First off i see you never flyed some of the above metionedd ships except maybe the kitty hawk i meen Nighthawk If you had you would discover - that Pulse ships kill them self, "how" do you ask well in order for a pulse bs to shot it needs cap like alot of cap You will not and cannot fit for dual rep and damage its just not possible you will need to fit 2 cap inj ofc you could fit dual heavys .... yeah right ... anything crusier sized or below will give the ex. abbadon a big headace IF you move in under its guns ( this works i am embarrased to say this but i lost an apoc on sisi when the nano nerf hit there to a ermmmm brutix a couple of times ).... which isnt that hard yes you can fit a web on an abbadon but what about the geddon ? 3 mids? ermm what. the only thing amarr ships are good for is sit still and shoot ,granted it has longer range than any other but its a huge rock in space not very manouverable. You see a mega can chase down its target cause it can fit guns mwd / aftburner, tank, and a neut were as the abbadon is mostly fit without mwd, "why", lol at you CAP FFS - Blaster boats on the other hand needs work they suffered alot from the Nano nerf, since what they rely on is getting in your face, tracking might need a little boost due to the higher agility of minor ships, TBFH webs should NEVER have been nerfed like that, scripts would have worked 20 x better and the ****ty module might work as intended, this module is vital to keep ppl in place for the blasters, Btw have you tried to take down a proper fit rohk in an abbadon? PS zulu stated that this was under discussion EDIT : the Blasters that is not the web unfortunately - sensor damps crap? not at all try and fit for ex. anti falcon and see how it works you would be suprised and on my screen the Lach vs the arazu opposed to the Falcon vs the rook the diference is the same damps bounuses the same so are the jam bounses so why fly a lach? and why should the caldari have a difference in range when the lach vs arazu dont but by all meens lets nerf the range on falcons so pirates or low sec dwellers cant use ewar at all, remember if ewar is used on gates its usually 150km + away BECAUSE it need to jam before ppl agress if a 9 MoM hotdrop or blob is incoming ,which it really cant under that range as 2-3 volleys from sentrys and your dead, so they have no chance to escape the ex 9 MoM hotdrop ... BoB you know im talking to you here aswell on this note Trinity release promted "The ECM strength bonus for the Falcon has been increased to 20%, the Scorpion, Blackbird and Griffin now have a 15% bonus." why is this? because the module was nerfed to oblivion ( not the game ) and back , before trinity hit TQ -faction ships yeah some need loving but most are fine as they are, instead of ranting Boost ALL nerf only this, maybe just maybe try and be constructive and tell us what exactly is wrong. It might just be me but i DO NOT FIT T2 on my faction ships and i have no problem with fitting - nighthawk i dont see what the problem is as i dont fly them as caldari suck at pvp anyways /me looks at my own char ... diregard my origins okay
Neamus	Posted - 2009.01.05 12:38:00 - [32] The current balance seems fairly good. The only complaint I have right now is with regards to the Falcon, which is vastly over powered.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2009.01.05 12:56:00 - [33] I'm not sure that the forums has ever been a good indication of in game balance. ---- ≡v≡
Iva Soreass Gentlemen Bastards	Posted - 2009.01.05 13:44:00 - [34] NERF DAMPS ! Oh wait i mean .. NERF NANO ! Oh wait i mean .. NERF THE FRICKING FALCON ! Thats the one we are on now right ? right ? I have goto say for the 1st time since the major whines started i came face to face with a falcon last night and even with ECCM fitted (as we had a feeling they would use them) it still did sweet fa . So i dunno what needs to be done but i feel something does as it makes small scale combat sh!t tbh. So to the OP no its not completely balanced but its not far from it thats for sure!.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.05 13:48:00 - [35] I'm Still waiting for the auto targeting system nerf. ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.05 13:56:00 - [36] Eve is probably currently as balanced as possible. However, the arrival of T3 wil probably throw everything out of kilter. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Seishi Maru Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.01.05 14:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Lance Fighter Originally by: Flamewave After three years of playing we're finally back to where we were when I started: whining about ECM. I know back when i started, people whined about ECM because it was usable on any ship... a worthy item to have for any spare midslots. Now its more that everyone has a falcon trained up; those havent changed a bit. And I really think it SHOUDl be usable by any ship. By maiking ECM useless on non dedicated boat and very powerful on dedicated boat CCP made one of the DUMBEST things in this game. So why not make webs unusable outside a rapier? Or neuts outside a curse? The constant equalization of values and the make everything more and more equal among themselves. Limiting ships to 1 at most 2 viable setups is the worst trend I ever seen on this game. The stupidity of how Speed nerf was implemented is enraging. Just made speed modules almost useless basically removing even more fitting variations. While a tank module can give you a HUGE boost of 25% a speed mod gives you a pathetic 12%. CCP basically continues to remove possibilities. And one day will arrive when there are too few possibilities and people wil get bored because of that.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.05 14:36:00 - [38] the nano nerf increased variation and helped balance stuff out. pre-QR any fitting thread for the curse, sac, rapier, ishtar... hell, any HAC or recon would go about 2 posts before "just nano it", now you actually have a choice and there are loads of possible fits. its pretty balanced at the moment, id love to see some tweaks to 0.0 combat, jumpbridges, etc, but i can wait. (until blackops have been done).
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.01.05 16:09:00 - [39] Originally by: Another Whine Edited by: Another Whine on 05/01/2009 11:48:49 Originally by: Alex Harumichi My own fixes would be: - nerf either pulse optimal range or pulse tracking a bit - increase blaster tracking (it fights at ultra-close range, it needs to hit there) - increase Lach/Arazu sensor damp bonus (or give them range bonuses) - remove ECM range bonus from Falcon, let Rook be the long-range jammer - fix the rest of the faction ships that need help (as was done with Phantasm/Nightmare, which was an excellent upgrade) - give Nighthawk more grid (duh) ...but yes, balance is pretty good now, in general. First off i see you never flyed some of the above metionedd ships except maybe the kitty hawk i meen Nighthawk As it happens, the Caldari t2 ships are the only ones I don't fly yet. The fact that Falcon is overpowered in general is a pretty clear consensus in general (also shared by our own Falcon pilots :), and the fact that it also obsoletes the Rook is adding insult to injury. Nighthawk needing grid... well, I don't need to fly it to see that, try fitting any sort of pvp fit for it in EFT and see what happens. AWU V doesn't help. I fly pulse laser ships a lot nowadays, and have stopped flying blaster ships. Why? Because pulse lasers are simply much, much better in 95% of the actual pvp circumstances in the game. Your claimed cap issues are only a problem on the Abaddon (Geddon can pretty much ignore them), and blaster ships have the same cap issues too (while having tiny range, almost the same dps, and other penalties). Arazu/Lachesis... used to fly them a lot. Don't anymore. Why? Dampers are not worth fitting in most cases. Do the math. Due to the new stacking formula, more than 4 damps on a ship is useless... and with 4 damps, you're lucky to maybe hinder one enemy. Unless it's a close-range setup, in case your damps will do nothing. Compare to Falcon/Rook, laugh. Yes, Arazu can tackle. But so can a HIC, while also wielding a stupidly good tank (Arazu tank is tinfoil and paper). "Oh", you say, "but Arazu can tackle and damp!". Nice try, but doesn't work... you need 3-4 damps for them to be worth fitting. Add in the MWD, and see how much tackle power that leaves you. And that's assuming you don't fit the sensor booster you need in order to damp ranged ships. So.. not that I care much what some random forum alt aptly named "Another Whine" thinks, but... yes, I know what I'm talking about, from personal experience. I'll even add one more to the "needs balancing" list: - Black Ops need that fuel bay they have been promised, and they could also do with some more jump range. My Sin will stay in the hangar until then.
Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2009.01.05 17:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Galan Amarias I've played for years, and I enjoy a good argument so I've often taken a break from EVE to stop by good ole GD and look for some idiot protesting or supporting the latest FOTM or grief of the week. I've had great fun at the expense of those posting against Suicide gankinng, and those in favor of nano the way it was, and I mean way back before the most recent nerf. I played merrily with those that hate gate camps and those that can't stand war decs. From boost Amarr to kill ECM. Well here we are, Amarr stand boosted, speed is rational, ECM works but you can't have it and a tank, and thank god it's no longer the single most used midslot in the game. What's left? Where are the Emotears railing at the doom of their fotm, and or the abused complaining to nerf said same? Have we finally achieved balance? Obviously there are problems with sov, but no one is calling it great the way it is so no need to whine.. Is this just the wrong forum for a good argument? (Please don't send me to CAOD, It's dark in there...) Seriously, are all we have left to flame the idiots comparing EVE to WOW? -Galan No just burned out from all the imbalance over the past 13 patches, now I just mine and keep my mouth shut till all me subs run out :) ....................... 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
Ivana Drake	Posted - 2009.01.05 17:39:00 - [41] Originally by: Vaal Erit Oh god you should have seen the missile tears. They were so delicious. Missile spammers were so close to having an iwin button from the speed changes and they got nerfed before arriving on TQ, so glorious. Well missile spammers whined about speed so they nerfed speed but the nano*****s whined about missiles so they nerfed missiles x1000 and as someone who enjoyed spamming missiles at 3.5km/sec I was very upset
Bo Bojangles Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2009.01.05 17:51:00 - [42] Originally by: Another Whine but by all meens lets nerf the range on falcons so pirates or low sec dwellers cant use ewar at all,... I don't do alot of low-sec stuff but when I do, I don't often see the other races recons used on those gates.
Cyrus Brown	Posted - 2009.01.05 17:55:00 - [43] Minmatar projectiles & many of thier ships need to be reviewed & balanced, especially our capitals, the Muninn, and our Battleships. The Falcon needs a major nerf. Titans & Jump Bridges have all but ruined the game for all but the largest power blocs, and even the members of said power blocs hate Titans and Jump Bridge mechanics themselves. But besides those three things, I think Eve is pretty damn good right now.
TheEndofTheWorld Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:03:00 - [44] Originally by: Galan Amarias Amarr stand boosted, speed is rational, ECM works ALERT!!! ALERT!!! ALERT!!! FOTMer spotted, clear and obvious FOTM user spotted. He is probably using Abaddon(main) and Falcon(alt) combo or possibly Curse and Falcon. It is easy to tell, why exactly he is an FOTMer. Instead of calling FOTM FOTM(Amarr + Falcon), he calls FOTM "working, fine, or fair." ALERT NOW OVER. Keep on calling for the inevitable, the amarr and falcon nerf.
ShadowMaiden Amarr Metal Machine	Posted - 2009.01.05 20:07:00 - [45] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Keep on calling for the inevitable, the amarr and falcon nerf. Easily done by switching the Falcon's bonus to fall off instead of optimal. I wish I was a 3ft doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2009.01.05 20:14:00 - [46] Wait til we assemble the t3 stealth bombers and pocket battleships :) Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2009.01.05 20:49:00 - [47] Originally by: Galan Amarias I've played for years, and I enjoy a good argument so I've often taken a break from EVE to stop by good ole GD and look for some idiot protesting or supporting the latest FOTM or grief of the week. I've had great fun at the expense of those posting against Suicide gankinng, and those in favor of nano the way it was, and I mean way back before the most recent nerf. I played merrily with those that hate gate camps and those that can't stand war decs. From boost Amarr to kill ECM. Well here we are, Amarr stand boosted, speed is rational, ECM works but you can't have it and a tank, and thank god it's no longer the single most used midslot in the game. What's left? Where are the Emotears railing at the doom of their fotm, and or the abused complaining to nerf said same? Have we finally achieved balance? Obviously there are problems with sov, but no one is calling it great the way it is so no need to whine.. Is this just the wrong forum for a good argument? (Please don't send me to CAOD, It's dark in there...) Seriously, are all we have left to flame the idiots comparing EVE to WOW? -Galan Close, but not quite. Call back when my Drake can muster half decent DPS on an unfitted ship of the same class that is flying in a straight line, without taking up at least two mandatory midslots for web and target painter.
Sween Bank	Posted - 2009.01.05 20:52:00 - [48] best way to fix the falcon is to boost eccm. The range while beeing sick is ok, its the power and the fact that the only way to counter falcons doesnt work that well!!!
Galan Amarias Amarr The Drekla Consortium Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 05:01:00 - [49] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Originally by: Galan Amarias Amarr stand boosted, speed is rational, ECM works ALERT!!! ALERT!!! ALERT!!! FOTMer spotted, clear and obvious FOTM user spotted. He is probably using Abaddon(main) and Falcon(alt) combo or possibly Curse and Falcon. It is easy to tell, why exactly he is an FOTMer. Instead of calling FOTM FOTM(Amarr + Falcon), he calls FOTM "working, fine, or fair." ALERT NOW OVER. Keep on calling for the inevitable, the amarr and falcon nerf. Ironically he is half right, I fly Amarr, have done so for years, I hear we are the FOTM these days but I still see a lot of other races flying. Mind you when I do see someone new playing with our turrets I like to introduce them to my tracking disrupters. My alt hauls ships, she has less than 1mil sp. Though I did admit to flying with and against falcons, I also maintain they are not the be all end all of pvp, these days you can pretty much count on the enemy having one and if you plan for that and kill it you can really pee in their punch. The Baddon is good for gate work, but too expensive for most small scale fun, I vastly prefer the Geddon, not quite the same tank but a lot more gank. -Galan
Psiri	Posted - 2009.01.07 05:13:00 - [50] Cruise missiles and Arties could use a little boost, aside from that though and possibly with a lesser adjustment to the Falcon then EVE would be pretty damn great.
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.01.07 08:36:00 - [51] Originally by: Galan Amarias Where are the Emotears ..... look for these people: minmatar capital pilots and arty users low sec pirates (especially ones that fly solo bs's) there's still a few tears around if you look hard enough. ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:01:00 - [52] Is this official favorite complain thread? most of missiles suck, especially t2 ones, what's balanced with that. Railguns aren't that great either. (after amarr oomph) Interdictors suck, except sabre. Destroyers suck, except maybe trasher Active shield tanks suck Neuts are overpowered and nos is pretty useless blackops need oomph. Falcon whiners should train for one and have fun? (or not so coz they cant kill anyone) Drones are imba.
Motaka	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:37:00 - [53] ECCM Projectors utilize a sophisticated system of electronics to fortify the sensor strengths of an allied ship allowing it to overcome jamming. Penalty: Using more than one type of this module or similar modules that affect the same attribute on the ship will be penalized.
SirMoric Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:27:00 - [54] How to counter a Falcon. Rgds
exxxie The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:35:00 - [55] Don't worry about the Falcon thing guis, as soon as Recon V finishes today I'm training Caldari cruiser V... expect dev changes in the next 20 days or so.
EnslaverOfMinmatar	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:25:00 - [56] Nerf balance!!!!1111 uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:32:00 - [57] Originally by: Galan Amarias I've played for years, and I enjoy a good argument so I've often taken a break from EVE to stop by good ole GD and look for some idiot protesting or supporting the latest FOTM or grief of the week. I've had great fun at the expense of those posting against Suicide gankinng, and those in favor of nano the way it was, and I mean way back before the most recent nerf. I played merrily with those that hate gate camps and those that can't stand war decs. From boost Amarr to kill ECM. Well here we are, Amarr stand boosted, speed is rational, ECM works but you can't have it and a tank, and thank god it's no longer the single most used midslot in the game. What's left? Where are the Emotears railing at the doom of their fotm, and or the abused complaining to nerf said same? Have we finally achieved balance? Obviously there are problems with sov, but no one is calling it great the way it is so no need to whine.. Is this just the wrong forum for a good argument? (Please don't send me to CAOD, It's dark in there...) Seriously, are all we have left to flame the idiots comparing EVE to WOW? -Galan Its pretty balanced... I still hate neuts and ecm drones, but the ecm drones are easily killed by fitting a smartbomb, while the neuts can be combatted with a proper ship fitting, and a cap booster, unless theres too many of them. Overall it feels balanced 1v1. Solo is kinda dead though.
Napro Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:49:00 - [58] No! Needs more nerfs! I won't be happy til everyone above my 7 million SPs has level 5 skills trained for a nerfed FOTM. It's only fair..
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.08 01:04:00 - [59] Add stealth bombers to the list of ships that got left behind by the changing game. The bombs are controversial -- that's all I'm qualified to say -- but pretty much nobody thinks they work in any role as a missile platform any more.
R3dSh1ft Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.01.08 01:35:00 - [60] Nerf the Falcon / Amarr Victor ;-)

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