EVE Search - depleted uranium

All Channels

Out of Pod Experience

depleted uranium

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] 2 :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Polkageist Minmatar No Limit Productions OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:54:00 - [1] Link heres a link to a very interesting documentary about this ugly ****.
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:56:00 - [2] will watch this when i get the chance destroy everything you touch
Rob Z0mbie	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:23:00 - [3] \(o.0)/
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:36:00 - [4] I get about 8 minutes before the video fails. Doesn't matter though, I already know that it's about the use of depleted uranium in the gulf war which left us with all the hurt little radioactive children and the story is told by a doctor who looks like he **********d with the stuff.
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess	Posted - 2009.01.06 17:36:00 - [5] What i dont like is they keep giving count percentages and say that it is "nearly 100x higher than normal" but they dont give actual counts. I get about 12 counts per 10 seconds here. By the way, does it annoy you when you didnt realise that you were reading my sig?
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.06 18:01:00 - [6] Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 What i dont like is they keep giving count percentages and say that it is "nearly 100x higher than normal" but they dont give actual counts. I get about 12 counts per 10 seconds here. But still if the Geiger counter is giving you an audio warning to GTFO, it's still got to be bad right? ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2009.01.06 21:25:00 - [7] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 06/01/2009 21:25:19 Originally by: Xen Gin But still if the Geiger counter is giving you an audio warning to GTFO, it's still got to be bad right? Depends how the Geiger Counter is calibrated. You can have it go all noisy with barely any radiation present or barely tick when a nuke goes off. In the end it is all about annual radiation exposure. For the average person in the US you get about 120 millirems absorbed annually. In places in Brazil in the mountains you can get 10x that amount. 5000 millirems/year is considered the max "safe" amount to absorb per year ("safe" is relative here...less is always "safer"). Besides, the radiation hazard from depleted uranium is not all that bad. Mostly it emits alpha radiation which is very weak (cannot penetrate your skin). You have to breathe it in or ingest it (or get shot I suppose) for it to even remotely be a concern. What is actually FAR more dangerous about depleted uranium is the chemical hazard it represents. Uranium is a heavy metal and when ingested or inhaled can be quite nasty. Far worse than the radiation hazard. That said lead from "normal" bullets is a heavy metal too. I am not sure that depleted uranium is a lot worse in this regard than breathing in lead dust from vaporized bullets. (I honestly do not know) -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.06 21:58:00 - [8] My understanding is that the heavier an element is, the more toxic it is. And uranium is much much heavier than lead. ____________________
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.06 22:11:00 - [9] We use depleted uranium? You would think we would be using barrage or EMP by now...
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.06 22:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 06/01/2009 21:25:19 Originally by: Xen Gin But still if the Geiger counter is giving you an audio warning to GTFO, it's still got to be bad right? Depends how the Geiger Counter is calibrated. You can have it go all noisy with barely any radiation present or barely tick when a nuke goes off. In the end it is all about annual radiation exposure. For the average person in the US you get about 120 millirems absorbed annually. In places in Brazil in the mountains you can get 10x that amount. 5000 millirems/year is considered the max "safe" amount to absorb per year ("safe" is relative here...less is always "safer"). Besides, the radiation hazard from depleted uranium is not all that bad. Mostly it emits alpha radiation which is very weak (cannot penetrate your skin). You have to breathe it in or ingest it (or get shot I suppose) for it to even remotely be a concern. What is actually FAR more dangerous about depleted uranium is the chemical hazard it represents. Uranium is a heavy metal and when ingested or inhaled can be quite nasty. Far worse than the radiation hazard. That said lead from "normal" bullets is a heavy metal too. I am not sure that depleted uranium is a lot worse in this regard than breathing in lead dust from vaporized bullets. (I honestly do not know) Saying Radioactive ammo is like saying Fire in a crowded room, it causes mass panic even if that fire is from a candle. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.06 22:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 06/01/2009 21:25:19 Originally by: Xen Gin But still if the Geiger counter is giving you an audio warning to GTFO, it's still got to be bad right? Depends how the Geiger Counter is calibrated. You can have it go all noisy with barely any radiation present or barely tick when a nuke goes off. In the end it is all about annual radiation exposure. For the average person in the US you get about 120 millirems absorbed annually. In places in Brazil in the mountains you can get 10x that amount. 5000 millirems/year is considered the max "safe" amount to absorb per year ("safe" is relative here...less is always "safer"). Besides, the radiation hazard from depleted uranium is not all that bad. Mostly it emits alpha radiation which is very weak (cannot penetrate your skin). You have to breathe it in or ingest it (or get shot I suppose) for it to even remotely be a concern. What is actually FAR more dangerous about depleted uranium is the chemical hazard it represents. Uranium is a heavy metal and when ingested or inhaled can be quite nasty. Far worse than the radiation hazard. That said lead from "normal" bullets is a heavy metal too. I am not sure that depleted uranium is a lot worse in this regard than breathing in lead dust from vaporized bullets. (I honestly do not know) This. Originally by: Jacob Mei Saying Radioactive ammo is like saying Fire in a crowded room, it causes mass panic even if that fire is from a candle. And this. - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.07 00:48:00 - [12] Edited by: Xen Gin on 07/01/2009 00:49:42 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h text... So, you'd be happy to live with it in your street right? Originally by: vostok This. And this. Thanks for the input. It will be filled under "Uneducated Troll Memes". ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Kyrall A Few Killers	Posted - 2009.01.07 01:06:00 - [13] Edited by: Kyrall on 07/01/2009 01:06:47 Originally by: Xen Gin Edited by: Xen Gin on 07/01/2009 00:49:42 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h text... So, you'd be happy to live with it in your street right? I for one would, yes. In fact, I wouldn't even mind moving down to Devon/Cornwall, where the natural radiation from radon gas in the granite is rather higher than depleted uranium bullets, which as already stated emit mostly alpha radiation, with a range of a few cm and cannot penetrate paper, let alone skin. PS, I'm not certain on the exact facts RE radon gas, or even if I got the right location, but the general idea stands: Radiation is NOT always dangerous. The bullets aren't much more of a risk than a typical smoke detector. Well not unless they are fired at you... Edit: I missed the word "always" above, it's kinda important! _____ Originally by: Killer Kelly Apparently I just got nerfed but I can't tell the difference
Glarion Garnier Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.01.07 01:08:00 - [14] This topic is useless. Depleted means it's safe. One can make dinner ware out of the stuff and cellphone casings.. NP What are these weirdos who think they know everything. Even the Doctors in the Iraq's hospitals know it's safe. _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.07 01:49:00 - [15] Edited by: vostok on 07/01/2009 01:51:36 Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: vostok This. And this. Thanks for the input. It will be filled under "Uneducated Troll Memes". Surely that's where your uneducated post should go. I was simply stating that as far as my knowledge goes, that video is a load of crap since DP emits very little radiation and the whole thing is blown out of proportion. So, me saying, this, and this. Thus showing my agreement with what Imperator Jora'h and Jacob Mei posted should make you feel happy that you didn't have to read the same post again and disagree twice, something which you seem to have chosen to do anyway. Edit: Originally by: Glarion Garnier This topic is useless. Depleted means it's safe. One can make dinner ware out of the stuff and cellphone casings.. NP What are these weirdos who think they know everything. Even the Doctors in the Iraq's hospitals know it's safe. And this. - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.07 02:00:00 - [16] Depleted Uranium puts hairs on your chest ---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2009.01.07 03:21:00 - [17] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 07/01/2009 03:21:23 Originally by: Xen Gin Edited by: Xen Gin on 07/01/2009 00:49:42 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h text... So, you'd be happy to live with it in your street right? Happy? Well, no one wants to be around anything even remotely toxic if they do not have to. But honestly it depends. As I said if the DU is in powder form and floating through the air than that IS bad. Not because it is radioactive but because ingesting/inhaling heavy metals is bad. Any heavy metal. Even lead paint is banned most places. If the DU is in solid form then no problem. If someone asked to hand me a DU bullet I'd take it without hesitation. Maybe keep next to my monitor. You might not want to sleep in a pile of them but really, they are rather harmless till someone shoots it at you. The thing is people freak when they hear "uranium". Uranium in and of itself is not all that big a deal. It only becomes a big deal when weaponized which is a difficult procedure. Hell, uranium used to be used in pottery glazes (makes a nice yellow glaze). You can even buy uranium jewelry (really). Radiation is all around you all the time. Your cell phone. Your TV. Radio stations. The sun. The rocks. Loads of things. And we are fine. DU bullets are no worse than a lot of things you experience every day (again excepting if someone is shooting them at you). They become a problem on a battlefield when they vaporize against armor and people can inhale it. But then there are a lot of things dangerous to humans on a battlefield. All things considered it is much ado about not much. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
DubanFP Caldari R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2009.01.07 06:23:00 - [18] Edited by: DubanFP on 07/01/2009 06:24:25 Originally by: Xen Gin Edited by: Xen Gin on 07/01/2009 00:49:42 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h text... So, you'd be happy to live with it in your street right? No more then I would be happy to have a block of lead on my street. Depleted Uranium is U-238. Atomically active Uranium is U-235. Yes when Depleted is burned "remember lots of heat in weapons" it turns into Uranium oxide which is rather toxic, but acting like it's any worse because it contains the word "Uranium" is rediculous. Ironically because of its density Depleted Uranium is sometimes used as a replacement to lead in radiation shielding. If this doesn't shed your radioactive perception of DU then nothing will and I have nothing further to say. _______________ "It's not about the look of your ship or the size of your guns. It's about how much **** you can @#$# up with it"
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.07 10:05:00 - [19] Yes, "Very interesting". So interesting in fact that I'm now fully aware of the worldwide demonic threat of Depleted Uranium and its impact on civilised society. Or not. Is it just me, or could this man's time be spent doing something a bit more **ing productive? DU kills people, Normal Slugs kill people, Bombs kill people... Absolutely everything kills people. Hell, food kills people. Why not focus on the fact that we're designed to die and *** about that as much as you can? Rather than picking on an instrument of war that happens to have irradiation as a side effect. DU is DESIGNED to kill people. To me all this guy is saying is "We should only ever fire plush animals at each other so we don't get hurt. This way, War is victimless". Hate to break it to you Mr., but war is a hardwired mechanic of man.
Lumy Minmatar eXceed Inc. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 10:45:00 - [20] For all of those "OMG it will case me to sprout another finger" guys I highly recommend this series of videos: Physics for Future Presidents. Especially parts about radioactivity, nukes and so. Joomla! in EVE - IGB compatible CMS.
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 12:37:00 - [21] all depleted uranium is led soooooo just call it led hehe maybe i shouldn't of jumped through that gate
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:12:00 - [22] Originally by: wikipedia Chemical toxicity The chemical toxicity of depleted uranium is about a million times greater in vivo than its radiological hazard.[52] Health effects of DU are determined by factors such as the extent of exposure and whether it was internal or external. Three main pathways exist by which internalization of uranium may occur: inhalation, ingestion, and embedded fragments or shrapnel contamination. Properties such as phase (e.g. particulate or gaseous), oxidation state (e.g. metallic or ceramic), and the solubility of uranium and its compounds influence their absorption, distribution, translocation, elimination and the resulting toxicity. For example, metallic uranium is relatively non-toxic compared to hexavalent uranium(VI) uranyl compounds such as uranium trioxide.[53][54] Uranium is pyrophoric when finely divided.[22] It will corrode under the influence of air and water producing insoluble uranium(IV) and soluble uranium (VI) salts. Soluble uranium salts are toxic. Uranium slowly accumulates in several organs, such as the liver, spleen, and kidneys. The World Health Organization has established a daily "tolerated intake" of soluble uranium salts for the general public of 0.5 ¦g/kg body weight, or 35 ¦g for a 70 kg adult. While epidemiological studies on laboratory animals point to it as being immunotoxic,[55] teratogenic,[56][57] neurotoxic,[58] with carcinogenic and leukemogenic potential,[59] there has been no definite link between possible health effects in laboratory animals and humans. A 2005 report by epidemiologists concluded: "the human epidemiological evidence is consistent with increased risk of birth defects in offspring of persons exposed to DU."[9] Early studies of depleted uranium aerosol exposure assumed that uranium combustion product particles would quickly settle out of the air[60] and thus could not affect populations more than a few kilometers from target areas,[61] and that such particles, if inhaled, would remain undissolved in the lung for a great length of time and thus could be detected in urine.[62] Burning uranium droplets violently produce a gaseous vapor comprising about half of the uranium in their original mass.[63] Uranyl ion contamination in uranium oxides has been detected in the residue of DU munitions fires.[64][65] Radiological hazards External exposure to radiation from pure depleted uranium is less of a concern because the alpha particle emitted by its isotopes travel only a few centimeters in air or can be stopped by a sheet of paper. Also, the low concentration of uranium-235 that remains in depleted uranium emits only a small amount of low-energy gamma radiation. According to the World Health Organization, a radiation dose from it would be about 60 percent of that from purified natural uranium with the same mass. Approximately 90 micrograms of natural uranium, on average, exist in the human body as a result of normal intake of water, food and air. The majority of this is found in the skeleton, with the rest in various organs and tissues. However, in a matter of a month or so, depleted uranium generates amounts of thorium-234 and protactinium-234 which emit beta particles at almost the same rate as that of the alpha particles from the uranium-238. Two beta particles are emitted for each alpha particle. (See Radium series.) The radiological dangers of pure depleted uranium are lower (60 percent) than those of naturally-occurring uranium due to the removal of the more radioactive isotopes, as well as due to its long half-life (4.46 billion years). Depleted uranium differs from natural uranium in its isotopic composition, but its biochemistry is for the most part the same. For further details see actinides in the environment. By the way, does it annoy you when you didnt realise that you were reading my sig?
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.07 19:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Lumy For all of those "OMG it will case me to sprout another finger" guys I highly recommend this series of videos: Physics for Future Presidents. Especially parts about radioactivity, nukes and so. Most interesting link all day. You need cookies -------------------------------------------
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:23:00 - [24] Edited by: Xen Gin on 07/01/2009 22:23:56 OK, so if we go with this. 1) Depleted Uranium is a heavy toxic metal ergo it is hazardous (but so is Oxygen in enough quantity). 2) Depleted is an Radioactive Alpha emitter. 3) Depleted Uranium in dust form is more dangerous than a similar amount in solid form. 4) Long term exposure due to inhalation or ingestion not conclusive. 5) We use WHO DP factsheet and not Wikipedia for information. 6) It needs more research and evidence collected from warzones where DU is used. I think that's what this discussion has brought about. Questions? ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Xen Gin Edited by: Xen Gin on 07/01/2009 22:23:56 OK, so if we go with this. 1) Depleted Uranium is a heavy toxic metal ergo it is hazardous (but so is Oxygen in enough quantity). 2) Depleted is an Radioactive Alpha emitter. 3) Depleted Uranium in dust form is more dangerous than a similar amount in solid form. 4) Long term exposure due to inhalation or ingestion not conclusive. 5) We use WHO DP factsheet and not Wikipedia for information. 6) It needs more research and evidence collected from warzones where DU is used. I think that's what this discussion has brought about. Questions? I think I just came up with a fix though it might be somewhat expensive... Tell me if im wrong but we use DU because of its massive density correct? If so, put a thin plate of steel around the DU core.... This might not stop all cases but it would lessen them drematically.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:32:00 - [26] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Xen Gin Edited by: Xen Gin on 07/01/2009 22:23:56 OK, so if we go with this. 1) Depleted Uranium is a heavy toxic metal ergo it is hazardous (but so is Oxygen in enough quantity). 2) Depleted is an Radioactive Alpha emitter. 3) Depleted Uranium in dust form is more dangerous than a similar amount in solid form. 4) Long term exposure due to inhalation or ingestion not conclusive. 5) We use WHO DP factsheet and not Wikipedia for information. 6) It needs more research and evidence collected from warzones where DU is used. I think that's what this discussion has brought about. Questions? I think I just came up with a fix though it might be somewhat expensive... Tell me if im wrong but we use DU because of its massive density correct? If so, put a thin plate of steel around the DU core.... This might not stop all cases but it would lessen them drematically. The point of DU on artillery shells was that it would allow the shell to penetrate, then explode. The DU is still going to fragment and turn to dust with or without the steel.
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:34:00 - [27] Originally by: goodby4u I think I just came up with a fix though it might be somewhat expensive... Tell me if im wrong but we use DU because of its massive density correct? If so, put a thin plate of steel around the DU core.... This might not stop all cases but it would lessen them drematically. umm, as far as I know, DU munitions and armour plates are already built with a steel jacket, to make them easier to handle and stop the small amount of radiation. The problem, is when the munitions and armour plates are used. Damaged armour plates and munitions striking targets release the dust. rounds that miss eventually will corrode as well.
DubanFP Caldari R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:39:00 - [28] Edited by: DubanFP on 07/01/2009 22:39:34 Originally by: goodby4u Tell me if im wrong but we use DU because of its massive density correct? If so, put a thin plate of steel around the DU core.... This might not stop all cases but it would lessen them drematically. That and DU has a tendancy to burst into flames on impact. This explosive tendancy of DU is what distributes most of the dust.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.07 23:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Shirley Serious Originally by: goodby4u I think I just came up with a fix though it might be somewhat expensive... Tell me if im wrong but we use DU because of its massive density correct? If so, put a thin plate of steel around the DU core.... This might not stop all cases but it would lessen them drematically. umm, as far as I know, DU munitions and armour plates are already built with a steel jacket, to make them easier to handle and stop the small amount of radiation. The problem, is when the munitions and armour plates are used. Damaged armour plates and munitions striking targets release the dust. rounds that miss eventually will corrode as well. Blimey didnt think this one through at all... Though this brings me to ask, cant our kinetic rounds currently penetrate most non chobham armor? If so, why use DU rounds anyways?
DubanFP Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.01.07 23:16:00 - [30] Edited by: DubanFP on 07/01/2009 23:24:13 Originally by: goodby4u Though this brings me to ask, cant our kinetic rounds currently penetrate most non chobham armor? If so, why use DU rounds anyways? Uhhh, DU IS our kinetic round that can pierce most armors. It just also has incindindiary properties that are ideal for igniting secondary explosions and burning through armor. _______________ "It's not about the look of your ship or the size of your guns. It's about how much **** you can @#$# up with it"

Pages: [1] 2 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.