Working as intended.

If you dont want to pay for clones, stop risking them in pvp.

Clone upgrade costs are a mechanic that has aged very poorly. Even the devs at fanfest admitted to this. Sure clone upgrades are a much needed ISK sink for the sake of helping to combat the every growing inflation, but that does not mean the sink can not be moved elsewhere in the game.

Reducing or some other form of trying to lessen the blow of getting out there and PvPing just doesn't cut it. Saying to deal with it is just a silly thing to say. What this mechanic does do is punish players who go out and PvP and the punishment grows larger and larger the longer you stay loyal to the game by training skills up.

The only solution to this is to remove clone upgrades all together. Then in the same stroke apply the estimated ISK sink to another aspect of the game that scales well and is not a form of punishment, but fits the mechanic. There is dozens of things such as a reprocessing fee for modules, starting manufacturing jobs, reducing NPC bounties, etc. Basically keeping the ISK sink in the game, but not directly tied into an acute form of punishment for PvPing. Another thing you can not ignore is that this will inadvertently cause more ships to die. This is because the mental barrier that is, "But my clone costs more than the ship so I'm going to stay docked." will be gone.

Again, anything short of removing clone upgrade costs will simply not due.

How about jump clones with no ability to train skills or wear implants that cost buttons?

What a silly comment. "Point gun at head, pull trigger, you are dead. Working as intended."

They are too expensive, and frankly, pretty useless feature.

Maybe those who die a lot should get a discount...

More stupid crap

Clone costs have been lowered a few years ago, back then the prices were based on the same principle as what got us titans in the first place "really, how many people would do that?". And we're back to it again, people who have been playing for years have to play exorbitant amounts of isk to keep their clone up, while I'll fully agree to the "higher SP should be able to spare the isk" what it actually means is "high sp players can't afford to clown around in non-uber ships or fits otherwise it gets way too costly because if they lose their pod it's gonna suck anyway".

Lowering clone prices isn't about dumbing down or anything silly like that, it's about realising that the game has been out for 9 years now and tons of ppl will have vast amounts of SP. It would be difficult to put a price on it but a guesstimate would be to have like 15-20 mil as a ceiling.

There is another answer to this, and it is alts.

Train up an alt to fly those frigates and cruisers, they dont need huge amounts of time and they will cost a lot less

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I don't care. It's a legit gripe.

For most people clones don't cost much, so no big deal if you get popped once in a while. For those of us that have been playing a while though, the upper tier clones are costly.

buy plex and sell for isk...thats 10 clone updates! Don't want to spend real life money? CCP doesn't care, because they love the option of you spending more money if you are unwilling to run missions / rat for the standard $$$ monthly subscription PLEX is also available. CCP also wants you to have multiple accounts. CCP also gave you 3 character slots, make one cruiser only! You have your options, plan accordingly.

Honestly, as a fairly high SP character, i find clone costs extremely reasonable; and if you dont want to worry about buying new clones, fly in low sec, because if you get podded there . . . i dont even know what to say to you.

So again, your advice is for the player to be more risk adverse due to an arbitrary mechanic that has aged very poorly? I will ask again. Why do you feel such a mechanic should exist at all? What does it do to add to the game? By your reasoning it functions as a mechanic to weed out the old and poor players from null and unknown space. Is that how you view it?

I am not trying to troll or anything. I am just trying to figure out what the clone upgrade cost mechanic means to them. CCP feel free to chime in too.

Quoting for truth. Unless you found the save game button in life...




By all means, dont buy any clones then. GO pew pew. Die in a fire. Then come rage on the forums over your lost SP when CCP gives you the finger in your petition.

That would also be working as intended.



Just stop being a whiny baby and space poor hobo.

This whine is just about making PvP more affordable/cheaper without meaning anything in terms of consequences.

Honestly, as a fairly high SP character, i find clone costs extremely reasonable; and if you dont want to worry about buying new clones, fly in low sec, because if you get podded there . . . i dont even know what to say to you.

[quote=Marlona Sky][quote=Sigras]This whine is just about making PvP more affordable/cheaper without meaning anything in terms of consequences.

IIRC soundwave said something about doing something about excessive clone costs at fanfest. Soundwave owns and loves fun, I'm sure he'll come up with a good solution.

This whine is just about making PvP more affordable/cheaper without meaning anything in terms of consequences.

The only real advantages an older player has is contacts with whom to work with, capital to invest, experience to know what is worth their time, and what is not. However, since their clone costs so much more isk, anything they do with a high likelyhood of clone loss essentially equates to a "tax" for being older... and it's not a minor, no big deal tax.... Especially for 100+m sp characters...

Clone costs on the other hand are mandatory. And don't give me any garbage about "don't buy one." The whole point of being a pod pilot is having a clone. NOT optional. How many of you all even know what happens when you get podded with an outdated clone

Marlona Sky + Adunh Slavy
Because eve really likes to make you feel loss, when you feel loss it means you are invested emotionally. and when you are emotionally invested you keep playing to go find and kill that ******. or you sit and cry and never pick up the game again. the choice is yours, but you know when you do pod that guy, its a validating feeling, because its costing them.

Just this one Kusum, I'll humor you with a reply. You troll me and you go on ignore.

Explain to me exactly what happens when you get podded without an updated clone. I don't think you really understand the mechanics and you are showing your ignorance.

It's not a real option to fly with an inadequate clone. It defeats the entire purpose of the skill training system to lose sp and go backward. The only reason you have to actually update your clone manually is to give a feel of realism, loss, and a sense of responsibility for one's self. It's for immersion. It's also a "duh" check to weed out people who probably shouldn't play eve. If it were an option we'd be able to delete skills.

Eve isn't just about risk, it's about choice. Sand box ring a bell? I should be able to choose what I risk. I don't have to fly expensive ships. It's my option. I don't have to fit implants. It's my option. I don't have to go into null space or even low sec. It's my option. SP isn't optional though, it's required to do anything in game. It's earned over time. It's a reward for sticking around. Everyone who plays for long enough will get to where I am, so why punish everyone for playing the game?

You lose skillpoints from a few randomly selected skills equal to a percentage of the difference between your current clone's sp limit and how many sp you actualy have.

I agree that it is starting to get expensive. In null, I must watch when and how I pvp, really limits how much I am willing to risk simply because of how I earn isk. I can fly my implant free clone, I can fly cheap ships. but it is a tossup, cheap and useless for the SP I have to replace many clones, or fly actual end game style ships. I choose latter, but must be cautious because of it.

The only solution to this is to remove clone upgrades all together.