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Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.08 03:24:00 - [31] Originally by: Melanie Griffin i did it semi afk on a second pc while playing BF2. Can i be arsed to manually fly 25 jumps through highsec and get bored to death? You "couldn't be arsed" to be active and thus fly perfectly safely. You basically "couldnt be arsed" to play the game. Unfortunately for you other people "can be arsed" to play the game. And now they got your cargo. Moral of the story = Be Arsed SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
gfldex Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.01.08 03:33:00 - [32] Listen to CCP! -- There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
ceaon Gallente Porandor	Posted - 2009.01.08 04:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Melanie Griffin i did it semi afk on a second pc while playing BF2. Can i be arsed to manually fly 25 jumps through highsec and get bored to death? making money(if you trade) while your are not on the keyboard should be considered cheating is like boting ccp should also ban you blah
C601	Posted - 2009.01.08 04:22:00 - [34] Wtb an afk game where I can make billions been afk 24x7 while I play other games.
Adamant Stehl Point of No Return Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 04:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Melanie Griffin I though CCP already adressed this problem? There is nothing to fix Before all else, be armed. Niccolo Machiavelli
yourdoingitwrong	Posted - 2009.01.08 04:40:00 - [36] To The op: You should have been spat!
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2009.01.08 05:15:00 - [37] Edited by: Captator on 08/01/2009 05:15:45 Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 08/01/2009 03:06:42 Amazingly in before "THIS IS SPARTA!" edit: Gatecamp Thermopylae tbh tbh, didn't the spartans do that, it's how they ganked all the persian militia nubs. Sparta, blazing a trail in gatepiracy. edit: relevant content; fit an extender/buffer tank next time, it is simply a case of raw hp vs dps and a timer ticking away with ganks.
Karasuma Akane Dirty Sexy Pilots	Posted - 2009.01.08 06:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Gone'Postal Where is crump with his ubersigs of truth when you need him. Highsec: Safer, Not Safe.
Sagacious Z	Posted - 2009.01.08 06:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Melanie Griffin Sorry folks, but this is just bollux. I though CCP already adressed this problem? I bet CCP thinks like I do. In RL, land convoys often have armed escorts when going through possible hostile territory..... and in EVE, all territory is possible hostile territory. For that amount of cargo, why didn't you hire a bodyguard or two? I like the game the way it is--it forces you to interact and make a decision, such as, do I give up a % of my profit hiring a merc or merc corp to protect my transit, or do I go it alone and risk 100 million plus? The game often involves interaction with players. Trying to do everything solo can be dangerous. The game benefits with this decision tree and this danger, and this danger does off solution offsets.
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 07:03:00 - [40] ohh the yummy tears :) no sympathy here. if you are smart enough to post on the forums you are smart enough to have read the other 10000000000 gank posts and realize you shouldnt do it that way , lolz Please, jump into traffic
Guilliman R Gallente PRO Space Hunters HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD	Posted - 2009.01.08 07:03:00 - [41] not long ago I baught several +5 implants, crap load of T2 stuff and two complex (Core-B types no less!) modules for my mission boat (I trade and mission, I like trading!) I flew a semi tanked Iteron V (just filled the mid slots with shield expanders) from jita to my hubs 15-20 odd jumps away. My cargo, well over 1.5Billion. Risk of being ganked factor: Extremely High! My attention level: Extremely High. My fun and excitement factor: Extremely High! Made it back no issues, didn't even get locked once, because I was on my toes and took one two system detour away from a choke point (I learned my lesson in the past, twice.) It's not hard to avoid getting suicided if you use your brains, and spent 5 mins researching your jump route. It's fine, lrn2haul? ___
MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.01.08 07:48:00 - [42] I tend to think sucide gank are one of the better things about eve. Really why were on AP in a hualer with 130 million ISK worth of cargo. Thats why you got killed. I though it was to easy before the change and now it might be about right not that I ve ever gank anyone.
Sakura Nihil Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.01.08 07:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Melanie Griffin I though CCP already adressed this problem? CCP can't fix stupidity.
Psir	Posted - 2009.01.08 08:13:00 - [44] Edited by: Psir on 08/01/2009 08:13:45 Originally by: Sakura Nihil Originally by: Melanie Griffin I though CCP already adressed this problem? CCP can't fix stupidity. Because flying quite cheap cargo (130mil isn't much, mind you) in a well tanked ship in a high security system surrounded by police and navy ships is stupid? And here I was thinking it was stupid that this Brutix pilot can blow up this person's ship before Concorde can even respond properly, only loosing maybe 4-5 million himself and happily leave in a pod whilst his buddy scoops the loot under the eyes of Concorde. I can see the profit for the Brutix pilot, but where's the risk? Either suicide ganking needs to cost more or be made impossible entirely. I've never liked it as it makes no sense whatsoever, why not try to get people do some real fighting in low and null-sec instead?
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.08 08:18:00 - [45] Originally by: Psir ...in a well tanked ship... Just quit now. There is no way this can end well for you.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.01.08 08:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Psir Because flying quite cheap cargo (130mil isn't much, mind you) in a well tanked ship in a high security system surrounded by police and navy ships is stupid? Booster + invuln field on a T1 hauler ≠ "well tanked". It explodes before the booster even finishes its cycle. Quote: I can see the profit for the Brutix pilot, but where's the risk? He might have come up against a target with a tank and lost his (admittedly fairly small) investment. Quote: Either suicide ganking needs to cost more or be made impossible entirely. Why? It's the only way to get at some targets, and it's already very easy to make it cost too much for the ganker. Quote: I've never liked it as it makes no sense whatsoever, why not try to get people do some real fighting in low and null-sec instead? Because high-sec is just high security — not a safe zone. Fighting belongs in highsec just as much as everywhere else (and highsec is where the juicy targets are).
Sakura Nihil Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.01.08 08:29:00 - [47] Originally by: Psir I've never liked it as it makes no sense whatsoever, why not try to get people do some real fighting in low and null-sec instead? Because this is not WoW in space, with highsec set aside for you carebears to roam freely in. Go play JGE or Infinity when they're released if that's what you're looking for.
Togg Bott Minmatar League of the Tiger and Tentacle	Posted - 2009.01.08 08:32:00 - [48] i regularly haul 300-500 mill worth of goods in a lowly HOARDER. i do it while paying ATTENTION... i warp to zero..click jump...warp...never lost a load yet. i'm sure if someone wants me bad enough..i'll be got...but untill then....learn to play THIS game and yes...this IS my main
Sedious Bloke	Posted - 2009.01.08 08:35:00 - [49] Edited by: Sedious Bloke on 08/01/2009 08:37:31 Originally by: Melanie Griffin flying a mammoth on a 2nd pc through 0.6 sec with AP. Cargo worth roughly 130m ISK. Realized that i'm beeing agressed, switch on invu field and booster while i still had some 85% shields. Got ganked by a single brutix with Limited Neutron Blaster I. Yeah yeah, don't fly AP, eve is a rough and harsch ...blah. Sorry folks, but this is just bollux. I though CCP already adressed this problem? WARP TO ZERO MUCH? %#$ all you have to do is right click the little circle and bammo can't be ganked. Little while ago all you had to do was fit properly to gtfo or scout ahead, people **ed and moaned. Now all you have to do is right click and people are still ***ing and moaning?! I'm glad you died. it's only a shame i didn't kill you myself. good luck on wow in space it's getting closer every day because of morons like you.
Bumbum George	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:03:00 - [50] Originally by: Benco97 People who do things like this are silly... Originally by: Sakura Nihil CCP can't fix stupidity. Originally by: Gonada no sympathy here Originally by: Sedious Bloke I'm glad you died. All of that.
Blaidd Dwrg	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:21:00 - [51] Just a quick noobie question here. In the senario initially destribed by the OP, does the Brutix pilot lose his Brutix? Someone above listed a potential ISK loss of 4 or 5 million for the ganker but if the gank outfitted Brutix is added to the equation the actual cost/risk/benefit analysis for the Brutix almost guarentees that at least one slot was used for a cargo scanner (unless of course he had assistance. Envisioning an alt or corp mate with passive scan [possibly] and cargo scanner who does the intel for the ganker). But back to original game mechanic question: Does the Brutix pilot lose his ship to Concord after the fact. A Brutix isn't cripplingly expensive but it's not cheap either if you're new enough that you haven't latched onto a way to achieve a dependable positive cash flow. I make a score then I absolutely bleed ISK until the next stroke of good fortune. He can't jump and he can't dock immediately. Or does he jump to a safe spot (coupla times?) and just wait out the aggression timer? And does Concord even honor that in the event of a gank in high sec space? Sorry for the interruption, just extremely curious :) Thanks in advance
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Melanie Griffin right. so, beeing not such a smartass, why don't we just remove concord and autopilot? Supporting this proposal!
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:41:00 - [53] Edited by: Maria Kalista on 08/01/2009 09:43:41 Originally by: Blaidd Dwrg Just a quick noobie question here. The Brutix gets popped for sure by Concord. There is (no longer) any way to get away from your punishment. Just a matter of hitting your target hard & fast before Concord drops in. That is why they call it a 'suicide gank'. You gank but you will lose your (ganking) ship. Edit: i forgot that after you get your money back from insuring your Brutix the total loss for the suicider can be that low. That is why some peeps keep crying about it.
Psir	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:44:00 - [54] Edited by: Psir on 08/01/2009 09:45:30 Edited by: Psir on 08/01/2009 09:45:02 Edited by: Psir on 08/01/2009 09:44:41 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Psir Because flying quite cheap cargo (130mil isn't much, mind you) in a well tanked ship in a high security system surrounded by police and navy ships is stupid? Booster + invuln field on a T1 hauler ≠ "well tanked". It explodes before the booster even finishes its cycle. Ah, my misstake. Thought he was flying a transport. If so then it's no wonder he got popped. Quote: He might have come up against a target with a tank and lost his (admittedly fairly small) investment. Yea, I bet he was shaking in his boots... Quote: Why? It's the only way to get at some targets, and it's already very easy to make it cost too much for the ganker. Because right now, there's just no risk involved if you play it safe and EVE has always been built around a balance between risk versus profit. It's not PvP, it's lame. Quote: Because high-sec is just high security ù not a safe zone. Fighting belongs in highsec just as much as everywhere else (and highsec is where the juicy targets are). I've never really understood why people should need to feel uneasy in high sec. Yes, currently high sec isn't safe, just safer but why must it be this way? I'd rather just see a nerf to high sec and a boost to lowsec, forcing serious players out of highsec. People weren't always just in high sec in the old days, ye'know. The fact that the juicy targets are in high sec isn't a reason for why suicide ganking should be allowed, rather it just goes to show the flaws of the current system. Why not try and get them into low and no-sec instead and impose some risk to their activities that doesn't suck balls? I'm sorry but suicide ganking is hardly fun, challenging, intelligent or makes alot of sense. It's just another exploit of how the system currently works. Originally by: Sakura Nihil Because this is not WoW in space, with highsec set aside for you carebears to roam freely in. Go play JGE or Infinity when they're released if that's what you're looking for. Oh please, this is getting really old. Stop it with the 'WoW' and 'Hello Kitty Online', it was funny four years ago but ever since it has got somewhat worn from frequent abuse by people like you. No, someone isn't a carebear for suggesting a change that would profit non-combatant players. Not that I was, because I'd also like to nerf high sec and thereby forcing people into low and null-sec for some real PvP and player interaction. If you think this straightforward, easy to use and nearly risk-free method of cashing in on people in highsec is good content, then kudos to you. But it sounds to me that you should be playing a different game then.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Blaidd Dwrg In the senario initially destribed by the OP, does the Brutix pilot lose his Brutix? Yes. Quote: A Brutix isn't cripplingly expensive but it's not cheap either if you're new enough that you haven't latched onto a way to achieve a dependable positive cash flow. I make a score then I absolutely bleed ISK until the next stroke of good fortune. It's cheap enough after insurance is brought into the mix — in essence, you only pay for the cost of the insurance itself and for any modules that don't survive (because if you do this for money, you'll have someone standing by to scoop up the remains from the target and from the attacking ship(s)).
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:49:00 - [56] Originally by: Togg Bott i regularly haul 300-500 mill worth of goods in a lowly HOARDER. i do it while paying ATTENTION... i warp to zero..click jump...warp...never lost a load yet. i'm sure if someone wants me bad enough..i'll be got...but untill then....learn to play THIS game and yes...this IS my main This. Fly at the controls with a nanobadger (2 istabs and 1 WCS) when hauling anything remotely expensive.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:51:00 - [57] Originally by: Psir I've never really understood why people should need to feel uneasy in high sec. Yes, currently high sec isn't safe, just safer but why must it be this way? Because that's how EVE works and the unique feature that makes it stand out. It's what makes EVE fun.
Psir	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:55:00 - [58] Originally by: Blaidd Dwrg Just a quick noobie question here. In the senario initially destribed by the OP, does the Brutix pilot lose his Brutix? Someone above listed a potential ISK loss of 4 or 5 million for the ganker but if the gank outfitted Brutix is added to the equation the actual cost/risk/benefit analysis for the Brutix almost guarentees that at least one slot was used for a cargo scanner (unless of course he had assistance. Envisioning an alt or corp mate with passive scan [possibly] and cargo scanner who does the intel for the ganker). But back to original game mechanic question: Does the Brutix pilot lose his ship to Concord after the fact. A Brutix isn't cripplingly expensive but it's not cheap either if you're new enough that you haven't latched onto a way to achieve a dependable positive cash flow. I make a score then I absolutely bleed ISK until the next stroke of good fortune. He can't jump and he can't dock immediately. Or does he jump to a safe spot (coupla times?) and just wait out the aggression timer? And does Concord even honor that in the event of a gank in high sec space? Sorry for the interruption, just extremely curious :) Thanks in advance Yes he looses his Brutix and he'd require another guy to loot as he'll be criminal flagged for 15 mins. Depending on the size of the gank it can be someone in a hauler, whoever scans the target is usually someone sensor boosting to hell for fast lock and scan (not the Brutix). After the gank the pilot usually waits out the timer in a station whilst his buddies loot. T1 battlecruisers (and battleships aswell) are dirt cheap once insurance comes into effect.
Gabrialle Amarr Sanctuary Logistical Industries Inc	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:57:00 - [59] preferred hi-sec hauler:- orca 500mill preferred fitting:- hi's (who cares its a hauler...) mid:- 2xinvul shield II 1xshield booster (largest you can fit) 2.5mill low's:- 2xcargo expander II's 3mill never loosing a cargo? priceless (also made all the investment back on my first haul of implants/minerals/salvage to jita)
NetStaIker Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:57:00 - [60] Quote: Edit: i forgot that after you get your money back from insuring your Brutix the total loss for the suicider can be that low. That is why some peeps keep crying about it. Ahhh the insurance. Didn't consider that. lol I actually work for an insurance company. Seriously doubt we would pay off on a claim if the loss was incurred as a result of "ganking" someone knowing full well the ship was a loss. Awhile back I was showing my sons the mechanics of a can-flip (lol by putting out a can and waiting until I got flipped). I was in a retriever and went ahead (while telling them not to ever do so), and flagged myself to the thief in order to show them the futility of teh action in general. The guy locks me down, hits me to crippple me then as hoped, opened convo. Asked for 5 mill in order to allow me to leave. I laughed at him and told him to get his kicks as I explained to my boys that considering that the retriever was insured and I make most everything I fly or use. I was only out for about 5 million total even if I purchased on the market at regional prices. 1.5ish for strip miners, another 1.5 for premium insurance. Local hull converters and dactyl scanner. 5 million was a rediculous amount to demand was it not? I'd usually just as soon flush 5 mill down the toilet then give it to someone at gunpoint considering I would be out about the same amount of ISK regardless of what I did. Just trying to wrap my head around the thinking behind all things EVE in general. Thank you to the OP. Actually an informational thread for some of us.

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