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Morfane The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:29:00 - [1] I hereby implore the munificent leaders of CCP to please, for the love of all that is holy, remove any and all security penalty for using bombs near stargates. This atrocious design oversight has cost me and members of my corporation for what is us much valued security status. While I make no demands on any security status lost to this point, I beg you to end the show-stoppingly high -1.5% penalty, which is 3x the penalty for shooting someone in highsec. This crazy penalty, along with other deficiencies in bombs worthy of another post all unto itself, make them very unattractive as a weapon system, and that in turn makes us question CCP's sincerity in its desire to reduce the size of combat forces to non-turn-based or "fun" levels. I am 98% sure this is completely server-side, so why wait? Flip that switch and lets get bombing. Your loyal customer, M
Jaabaa Prime Minmatar Quam Singulari	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:34:00 - [2] Originally by: Morfane I hereby implore the munificent leaders of CCP to please, for the love of all that is holy, remove any and all security penalty for using bombs near stargates. ROFL Wait ! ROFL again ... "Please remove Sec hits for deploying a Bomb and taking a sec hit ???" Since when can you even launch them in low sec ? What a bunch of crap ....
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:39:00 - [3] Bombs as in "Bomb Launcher" or Smartbombs? Also, where did you get whatever it is you're smoking... I ran out recently, and it seems like you've got the good stuff!
Jana Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:39:00 - [4] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Morfane I hereby implore the munificent leaders of CCP to please, for the love of all that is holy, remove any and all security penalty for using bombs near stargates. ROFL Wait ! ROFL again ... "Please remove Sec hits for deploying a Bomb and taking a sec hit ???" Since when can you even launch them in low sec ? What a bunch of crap .... Clueless much? Shooting a stargate in 0.0 gets you a sec hit. Bombs detonating near stargates get you a sec hit due to hitting the stargate.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:39:00 - [5] Edited by: Misanth on 08/01/2009 23:41:43 Ask the owner of the stargates what they think about you guys attacking them. If you can't take sec status drops, don't live in lowsec, simple. Pirates have done fine in lowsec for years, hell look at mine I'm +3.2 or something atm and I killed a couple of guys in lowsec yesterday. Got to admit I use jumpclones and alternate between characters to keep mine up a bit tho. But if I drop -10 I have done something to 'deserve' that and would suck up the grinding. What needs to be looked at is the stupid way sec gain is, jumping around between different system and chasing battleship rats in 0.0 instead of having a benefit for staying in one place ratting nonstop is silly. Smartbombs on gates can be bloody useful and powerful, that is working as it should right now, imho. Edit; just pointing out before someone nitpick on my 'lowsec' comment - the same applies for nullsec. Bombing at a gate is a very powerful offensive/defensive tool against certain shiptypes, and guess what, some guys built these gates. It makes perfect sense to lose sec for doing so. Noone force you to do it either, it's a choice you have.
Andreya Direct Intent	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Jana Clant Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Morfane I hereby implore the munificent leaders of CCP to please, for the love of all that is holy, remove any and all security penalty for using bombs near stargates. ROFL Wait ! ROFL again ... "Please remove Sec hits for deploying a Bomb and taking a sec hit ???" Since when can you even launch them in low sec ? What a bunch of crap .... Clueless much? Shooting a stargate in 0.0 gets you a sec hit. Bombs detonating near stargates get you a sec hit due to hitting the stargate. really. didnt know that.. cant rmemeber the hundreds of times ive webbd the gat eform running away from me.. oops :P lol anyways.. yes i agree that is very stupid, ccp could at least make an exception for Bomb launchers, they are already unappealing as it is
Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:45:00 - [7] Originally by: Misanth Edited by: Misanth on 08/01/2009 23:41:43 Ask the owner of the stargates what they think about you guys attacking them. If you can't take sec status drops, don't live in lowsec, simple. Pirates have done fine in lowsec for years, hell look at mine I'm +3.2 or something atm and I killed a couple of guys in lowsec yesterday. Got to admit I use jumpclones and alternate between characters to keep mine up a bit tho. But if I drop -10 I have done something to 'deserve' that and would suck up the grinding. What needs to be looked at is the stupid way sec gain is, jumping around between different system and chasing battleship rats in 0.0 instead of having a benefit for staying in one place ratting nonstop is silly. Smartbombs on gates can be bloody useful and powerful, that is working as it should right now, imho. Edit; just pointing out before someone nitpick on my 'lowsec' comment - the same applies for nullsec. Bombing at a gate is a very powerful offensive/defensive tool against certain shiptypes, and guess what, some guys built these gates. It makes perfect sense to lose sec for doing so. Noone force you to do it either, it's a choice you have. You're a @#$%ing idiot. Just fyi
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Jana Clant Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Morfane I hereby implore the munificent leaders of CCP to please, for the love of all that is holy, remove any and all security penalty for using bombs near stargates. ROFL Wait ! ROFL again ... "Please remove Sec hits for deploying a Bomb and taking a sec hit ???" Since when can you even launch them in low sec ? What a bunch of crap .... Clueless much? Shooting a stargate in 0.0 gets you a sec hit. Bombs detonating near stargates get you a sec hit due to hitting the stargate. I've shot plenty of 0.0 gates and never got a penatly
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:50:00 - [9] Edited by: Misanth on 08/01/2009 23:52:52 Originally by: Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO You're a @#$%ing idiot. Just fyi Ohsnap, you really hurt my feelings. Hope I can grow up and be a big strong intelligent boy like you, one day. Please let me know how? Originally by: sableye I've shot plenty of 0.0 gates and never got a penatly That puzzled me as well, just assumed they knew something I didn't. I've fired on alot of stargates in 0.0 as well, never took a sec hit either. But it's been a while since the last time I did that, and never did bomb them either. I've been travlling through a pipe in lowsec alot, where a bunch of guys permasmartbomb a small gate and catch alot of smaller stuff travelling. Damn powerful stuff. That's one major reason I think there should be some kind of penalty to it, sec drop seems like a natural solution.
Morfane The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:50:00 - [10] Edited by: Morfane on 08/01/2009 23:51:08 For the ignorant, I am talking about bombs launched by bomb launchers, which only work in 0.0 space. Edit: I was/am very high. I get my stuff in Canada.
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:51:00 - [11] Guys.. he means in ZERO point ZERO, were getting huge sec hits while in 0.0 when a gate gets hit by a bomb.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Morfane For the ignorant, I am talking about bombs launched by bomb launchers, which only work in 0.0 space. Calling others ignorant when you were not very clear yourself? I was just covering my back when posting both regarding smart- as well as regular bombs in both low- and nullsec. If you're not very clear on the subject, the reply will be in general. So, we're talking purely about bomblaunchers and purely in 0.0? Then the question is how much sec you lose from that. It does seems a bit silly to lose sec from firing bombs in that fashion. Not even remotely the same as smartbombing on top of a gate in lowsec. Even more silly since (if it's still same as it used to) you don't lose sec status from firing on the gate.
Jezala Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.01.09 00:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Misanth Edited by: Misanth on 08/01/2009 23:52:52 Originally by: sableye I've shot plenty of 0.0 gates and never got a penatly That puzzled me as well, just assumed they knew something I didn't. I've fired on alot of stargates in 0.0 as well, never took a sec hit either. But it's been a while since the last time I did that, and never did bomb them either. I've been travlling through a pipe in lowsec alot, where a bunch of guys permasmartbomb a small gate and catch alot of smaller stuff travelling. Damn powerful stuff. That's one major reason I think there should be some kind of penalty to it, sec drop seems like a natural solution. You take sec hits for aggressing 0.0 gates that are adjacent to empire systems. It is one of the most stupid design flaws ever. My corp has had this petitioned and escalated several times. Each time the GMs point to this and say that all is ok.
MyNameWasNerfed	Posted - 2009.01.09 00:02:00 - [14] Seemed quite clear to me. He said bombs. bombs only work in 0.0 thus he could only be talking about 0.0.
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2009.01.09 00:42:00 - [15] since when is -1.5% a huge sec loss (last i podded someone in high sec i got -48.8% sec loss) anyways, if you indeed do loose sec in 0.0 space, bug report it.
mrbabooon Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.01.09 00:49:00 - [16] Originally by: JVol Guys.. he means in ZERO point ZERO, were getting huge sec hits while in 0.0 when a gate gets hit by a bomb. i just tried to smart bomb a gate... my sb deactivates once im within 5km
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.01.09 01:08:00 - [17] Edited by: MotherMoon on 09/01/2009 01:09:09 Originally by: Morfane I hereby implore the munificent leaders of CCP to please, for the love of all that is holy, remove any and all security penalty for using bombs near stargates. This atrocious design oversight has cost me and members of my corporation for what is us much valued security status. While I make no demands on any security status lost to this point, I beg you to end the show-stoppingly high -1.5% penalty, which is 3x the penalty for shooting someone in highsec. This crazy penalty, along with other deficiencies in bombs worthy of another post all unto itself, make them very unattractive as a weapon system, and that in turn makes us question CCP's sincerity in its desire to reduce the size of combat forces to non-turn-based or "fun" levels. I am 98% sure this is completely server-side, so why wait? Flip that switch and lets get bombing. Your loyal customer, M once again if only combat didn't happen at gates and stations. Originally by: mrbabooon Originally by: JVol Guys.. he means in ZERO point ZERO, were getting huge sec hits while in 0.0 when a gate gets hit by a bomb. i just tried to smart bomb a gate... my sb deactivates once im within 5km he isn't talking about smart oms you idiot.
Captain Pompous	Posted - 2009.01.09 01:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Morfane I hereby implore the munificent leaders of CCP to please, for the love of all that is holy, remove any and all security penalty for using bombs near stargates. ROFL Wait ! ROFL again ... "Please remove Sec hits for deploying a Bomb and taking a sec hit ???" Since when can you even launch them in low sec ? What a bunch of crap .... NEWSFLASH: QUAM SINGULARI deploys yet another crack squad to deal with forum enquiries. I wonder if you and Loganfire aren't "singing from the same hymnbook"
mrbabooon Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.01.09 01:20:00 - [19] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 09/01/2009 01:09:09 Originally by: Morfane I hereby implore the munificent leaders of CCP to please, for the love of all that is holy, remove any and all security penalty for using bombs near stargates. This atrocious design oversight has cost me and members of my corporation for what is us much valued security status. While I make no demands on any security status lost to this point, I beg you to end the show-stoppingly high -1.5% penalty, which is 3x the penalty for shooting someone in highsec. This crazy penalty, along with other deficiencies in bombs worthy of another post all unto itself, make them very unattractive as a weapon system, and that in turn makes us question CCP's sincerity in its desire to reduce the size of combat forces to non-turn-based or "fun" levels. I am 98% sure this is completely server-side, so why wait? Flip that switch and lets get bombing. Your loyal customer, M once again if only combat didn't happen at gates and stations. Originally by: mrbabooon Originally by: JVol Guys.. he means in ZERO point ZERO, were getting huge sec hits while in 0.0 when a gate gets hit by a bomb. i just tried to smart bomb a gate... my sb deactivates once im within 5km he isn't talking about smart oms you idiot. o did i miss the stealth bomber bomb part... mybad... ill try that in a min...
Jezala Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.01.09 01:22:00 - [20] Originally by: mrbabooon Originally by: JVol Guys.. he means in ZERO point ZERO, were getting huge sec hits while in 0.0 when a gate gets hit by a bomb. i just tried to smart bomb a gate... my sb deactivates once im within 5km use a faction or officer smartbomb that has a radius greater than 5 km. You could also just shoot/scram/web the thing or deploy a bomb via stealth bomber like the OP was talking about.
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.01.09 01:24:00 - [21] Edited by: Karlemgne on 09/01/2009 01:25:15 Originally by: mrbabooon Originally by: JVol Guys.. he means in ZERO point ZERO, were getting huge sec hits while in 0.0 when a gate gets hit by a bomb. i just tried to smart bomb a gate... my sb deactivates once im within 5km Oh the whining!! It never stops. If the OP is soooo concerned about that SMALL sec hit when they live in 0.0 (you could fix this in minutes by shooting at the rats) then I think we should go with the above quoted post. Smartbombs can't be activated when they are in range of stargates. Given this the simplest solution to the bomblauncher "issue" is this: make bombs conform to the rule set of the AOE damage weapons that predate bombs. I.e. make it impossible to deploy bombs when doing so would cause splash damage to gates and stations. Problem solved. -Karlemgne
Mr Hood Amarr Domination. G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.01.09 02:00:00 - [22] Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 09/01/2009 01:25:15 Originally by: mrbabooon Originally by: JVol Guys.. he means in ZERO point ZERO, were getting huge sec hits while in 0.0 when a gate gets hit by a bomb. i just tried to smart bomb a gate... my sb deactivates once im within 5km Oh the whining!! It never stops. If the OP is soooo concerned about that SMALL sec hit when they live in 0.0 (you could fix this in minutes by shooting at the rats) then I think we should go with the above quoted post. Smartbombs can't be activated when they are in range of stargates. Given this the simplest solution to the bomblauncher "issue" is this: make bombs conform to the rule set of the AOE damage weapons that predate bombs. I.e. make it impossible to deploy bombs when doing so would cause splash damage to gates and stations. Problem solved. -Karlemgne You're mum dropped you on your head as a child didn't she? Not exactly the brightest bulb in the box.
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2009.01.09 02:40:00 - [23] I guess I did say 'huge sec hit',that wasnt completely accurate. Its an annoying sec hit more than anything, and after a few launches its more than some casual ratting to get your sec back up. Im in 0.0 so I didnt HAVE to worry about losing sec, ( im at -1.99 ) I mean, IM IN 0.0 for crists sake, I shouldnt take ANY sec hit EVER??!! Bombs were ment to be used in 0.0, blobs are on gate most of the time.. This should be changed. Oh, and this has NOTHING to do with smartbombs in low sec either.
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.01.09 02:46:00 - [24] Originally by: sableye I've shot plenty of 0.0 gates and never got a penatly hahaha there are so many people who think this; even if you web a gate in 0.0 you take a sec hit. Please, undock right now and try it. You'll be surprised.
Infinity Ziona Extortive	Posted - 2009.01.09 02:57:00 - [25] I agree with the OP. Indestructable NPC installations should not give a sec hit. Ganking Buddhist Nun
Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2009.01.09 05:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Morfane For the ignorant, I am talking about bombs launched by bomb launchers, which only work in 0.0 space. Calling others ignorant when you were not very clear yourself? You should read. A dictionary. Soon. Just because your IGNORANT of the usage, and definition of a word, does not make it any more of an insult. You can be IGNORANT of facts, or IGNORANT of laws in a country, its not an insult, or a bad word, and he phrased the statement properly so as not to use it as an insult. Also, all the people who aren't dumbasses understood that he meant dropping bombs, so he was pretty clear. Did you see, what i did, right there?
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.01.09 10:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Mr Hood Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 09/01/2009 01:25:15 Originally by: mrbabooon Originally by: JVol Guys.. he means in ZERO point ZERO, were getting huge sec hits while in 0.0 when a gate gets hit by a bomb. i just tried to smart bomb a gate... my sb deactivates once im within 5km Oh the whining!! It never stops. If the OP is soooo concerned about that SMALL sec hit when they live in 0.0 (you could fix this in minutes by shooting at the rats) then I think we should go with the above quoted post. Smartbombs can't be activated when they are in range of stargates. Given this the simplest solution to the bomblauncher "issue" is this: make bombs conform to the rule set of the AOE damage weapons that predate bombs. I.e. make it impossible to deploy bombs when doing so would cause splash damage to gates and stations. Problem solved. -Karlemgne You're mum dropped you on your head as a child didn't she? Not exactly the brightest bulb in the box. Do you have anything else to say other than to insult me? I suggest you consult the following before you decide to engage in teh interwebs version of argumentation-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem. -K
Ocih Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.09 10:12:00 - [28] No need to adjust this. According to the splash, all the bombs melted.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.09 10:17:00 - [29] Oh no! Soon EVE will be filled with THESE! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
kl3pto	Posted - 2009.01.09 10:31:00 - [30] can a bomb be deployed when u undock from a stn in 00 space. ie...being camped by cruiser sized ships and smaller, i undock drop bomb and use insta undock to get safe. will my bomb go off and ruin the campers day, or will i get some " ohh my young jedi, you cant do that ****zle here" message ? thanks in advance

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