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Tatiana Wisla	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:01:00 - [1] Edited by: Tatiana Wisla on 10/01/2009 04:04:17 Edited by: Tatiana Wisla on 10/01/2009 04:02:33 So, I'm sick of this and I need to rant or I may very well quit playing the game altogether which is probably what I should just do anyway. I'm going to make this plain and simple -- Since the "nano-nerf" caldari simply sucks. Lets face it, they weren't that great in the first place, but now you've really outdone yourselves with this nerf. Missiles are next to useless for PvP...I've trained pretty much nothing but Caldari for the years that I've been playing this game...so, as you could imagine, I have quite a bit of time, money, and patience invested into the race...and now you can't even obliterate a wreck with a heavy missile half the time. It just keeps missing until the missiles burns out...and then you end up just having to pop your drones out to pop a just a wreck. That seriously is sad. A heavy missile can't even hit a stationary object. With max skills nonetheless...in a nighthawk, even. Oh, and lets not forget that the poor nighthawk got nerfed, as well...not that it was a great ship in the first place. "Fit a target painter", they say...we barely even have enough room for our freakin' tank yet alone for a TP. How many caldari pilots do you know of that even have the slots for a cap injector, point, and/or web? How about a mwd? Hah. Yet here you have ships such as the mega with all of those listed above and then some! No, it's completely fair...caldari should definitely be the weakest race...I mean, just read their description here: http://www.eve-online.com/races/Caldari.asp Lets take a quote... Quote: While the Caldari State may not be nearly as big as that of the Gallenteans, let alone the Amarrians, they are still universally feared and admired. Their economy is strong, and their military might parallel to that of the larger empires. Military might? Where? Oh, you mean the little "might" which I had trained for for so long but keeps getting repetitively nerfed? But oh well. Fine. Caldari sucks now. They're still decent at PvE but even that has been dampened severely. So, if you can't beat 'em -- join 'em. I am no longer training for Caldari on any of my characters. Not that I had much left to train for anyway.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:03:00 - [2] Caldari are meant to be gang/fleet oriented. You get a good handful of Caldari Specc'd ships vs other fleets with not so much Caldari I guarantee if they are evenly numbered the Cal fleet will have some tricks up their sleeves. waits for the falcon whines Karrade-Confirming all pirate babies come from me Surfin's PlunderBunny-I always knew you were a woman Karrade-I am a man of many talents.
Opertone Caldari SIEGE. The Border Patrol	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:06:00 - [3] Edited by: Opertone on 10/01/2009 04:05:56 when they fix range of engagements, caldari snipers may become better. missiles need a boost. caldari need more medium slots.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:06:00 - [4] Puts on flame resistant suit Grabs a bag of marshmellows and waits This should get interesting. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Tatiana Wisla	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Karrade Krise Caldari are meant to be gang/fleet oriented. You get a good handful of Caldari Specc'd ships vs other fleets with not so much Caldari I guarantee if they are evenly numbered the Cal fleet will have some tricks up their sleeves. waits for the falcon whines And you hear this crap all the time, as well. Sure, if you collect enough scrap you'll eventually end up with a cannonball which can obliterate anything. But that's not the point here.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:21:00 - [6] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/01/2009 04:22:02 Caldari give you range. They also give you a choice between big shields or big EWar. If they gave you damage as well then suddenly the other races would start to seem awfully inferior. Don't conflate "Caldari suck" with "missiles suck", because the two aren't one in the same. If what people are saying about stealth bombers being unable to deliver more than paltry damage to stationary targets is true then fine, missiles need tweaking. But despite any problems they may have with explosion velocity right now missiles still give launcher users a longer ranged unbonused weapon than anything else of similar size (even rockets have an optimal several times longer than small short-ranged turrets, for example) and the ability to pick and choose damage types better than anything else.
Tatiana Wisla	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/01/2009 04:22:02 Caldari give you range. They also give you a choice between big shields or big EWar. If they gave you damage as well then suddenly the other races would start to seem awfully inferior. Don't conflate "Caldari suck" with "missiles suck", because the two aren't one in the same. If what people are saying about stealth bombers being unable to deliver more than paltry damage to stationary targets is true then fine, missiles need tweaking. But despite any problems they may have with explosion velocity right now missiles still give launcher users a longer ranged unbonused weapon than anything else of similar size (even rockets have an optimal several times longer than small short-ranged turrets, for example) and the ability to pick and choose damage types better than anything else. You guys keep mentioning EW...how many Caldari ships actually use that? Lets see...griffin, kitsune, blackbird, rook, falcon, and scorpion. That's all. What a waste of a race if that's all their good for. Big shields? Caldari don't tank that much. Either you setup for tank or DPS...you can't have both. And I'd much rather have the tank of an Amarr ship over a Caldari. With the exception of the Vulture in some instances, mabye. And you must be totally missing one of the key examples I mentioned earlier...heavy missiles don't even connect with wrecks half the time. Even a max skilled Cerberus will only scratch a Vagabond and that's with it's bonus to missile velocity.
Narffy Imperial Coalition Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:40:00 - [8] Missiles were way over nerfed. Now Caldari missile boats need to choose between tank, multiple target painters, ew, tacking gear, cap boosters, etc for their mids. Glad i've been cross training for Gallente. The fleet fight argument might apply to the dedicated jammers, but that's a separate argument from the missile nerf.
wendywin	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:40:00 - [9] Dear CCP: BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Boma Airaken The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:45:00 - [10] You have a Falcon. So STFU.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:48:00 - [11] Originally by: wendywin Dear CCP: BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Fix yoour damn typing before a mod does it for you.
Tatiana Wisla	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:52:00 - [12] You people talk jamming up way too much. You all have aggressive drones and sensor dampening, and there's no such thing as a true "perma-jam". One missed cycle and you're done. And again, you're limiting the entire Caldari race to just the falcon...why don't we talk about the arazu, curse, and rapier for a while instead? But lets not even talk about any of the other amarr, gallente, or minmatar ships other than recons and then it's an even playing field...oh, wait...
Sgt Blade Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:53:00 - [13] Nighthawk, Onyx and Drake come to mind tbh and for non pvp purposes, the Scorp can also tank. ECM = you can get hit by your target so no need to tank Missiles are a little on the weak side BUT are still usable. I still fly a Cerb with heavy launchers and do just fine on small/medium targets So in all honesty, I see a few problems but nothing to shout and cry about tbh
Tatiana Wisla	Posted - 2009.01.10 04:58:00 - [14] Edited by: Tatiana Wisla on 10/01/2009 05:00:23 Originally by: Sgt Blade Edited by: Sgt Blade on 10/01/2009 04:53:51 Nighthawk, Onyx and Drake come to mind tbh and for non pvp purposes, the Scorp can also tank. ECM = you can't get hit by your target so no need to tank Missiles are a little on the weak side BUT are still usable. I still fly a Cerb with heavy launchers and do just fine on small/medium targets So in all honesty, I see a few problems but nothing to shout and cry about tbh Yes, a passive tank Onyx is still the nicest HIC for tanking. But that's because all it needs to do is tank...and it does that quite well since it doesn't need cap to tank if you choose to set it up that way. But in case you all haven't noticed, my biggest complaint is what has been done to missiles.
Sgt Blade Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:01:00 - [15] Edited by: Sgt Blade on 10/01/2009 05:01:43 Originally by: Tatiana Wisla Yes, a passive tank Onyx is still the nicest ship. But that's because all it needs to do is tank...and it does that quite well since it doesn't need cap to tank if you choose to set it up that way. But in case you all haven't noticed, my biggest complaint is what has been done to missiles. yes and if you know how to use them well they do fine. yes maybe abit weak since the nerf BUT like I said, nothing to cry about. I've seen many times where a properly fitted Cerberus will be top the the KM for pvp so I see nothing to complain about
Tatiana Wisla	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Sgt Blade Edited by: Sgt Blade on 10/01/2009 05:01:43 Originally by: Tatiana Wisla Yes, a passive tank Onyx is still the nicest ship. But that's because all it needs to do is tank...and it does that quite well since it doesn't need cap to tank if you choose to set it up that way. But in case you all haven't noticed, my biggest complaint is what has been done to missiles. yes and if you know how to use them well they do fine. yes maybe abit weak since the nerf BUT like I said, nothing to cry about. I've seen many times where a properly fitted Cerberus will be top the the KM for pvp so I see nothing to complain about Take a cerb up against any of the other HACs and let me know how it goes. I already know how it'll go though so you can go cry about the results to yourself.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:07:00 - [17] if you cant beat em' join em cross train to gallente (they are obviously superior) and shush
Sgt Blade Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:11:00 - [18] Originally by: Tatiana Wisla Take a cerb up against any of the other HACs and let me know how it goes. I already know how it'll go though so you can go cry about the results to yourself. Properly fitted, the Cerb will not die that easily to any other HAC and CAN win, but then like any other fight in Eve it really depends how the other pilot fits his ship on a bit of luck. Your making out that the Cerb WILL lose to any other HAC which is just not true. Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Tatiana Wisla	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:13:00 - [19] Edited by: Tatiana Wisla on 10/01/2009 05:15:14 Originally by: Sgt Blade Originally by: Tatiana Wisla Take a cerb up against any of the other HACs and let me know how it goes. I already know how it'll go though so you can go cry about the results to yourself. Properly fitted, the Cerb will not die that easily to any other HAC and CAN win, but then like any other fight in Eve it really depends how the other pilot fits his ship on a bit of luck. Your making out that the Cerb WILL lose to any other HAC which is just not true. If you don't win, then you do lose. The other HAC will just keep you there until he has enough buddies come to kill you. The game ain't fun if all you do is tank for a bit and then manage to run away with your tail between your legs because you can't kill anything. Or if the only way you manage to kill anything is because the other pilot is stupid enough to stick around long enough to let you kill them.
Sgt Blade Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:18:00 - [20] Edited by: Sgt Blade on 10/01/2009 05:18:44 Originally by: Tatiana Wisla If you don't win, then you do lose. The other HAC will just keep you there until he has enough buddies come to kill you. Since when is it that the Cerb pilot is always the one being held still and all you do is tank? Think outside of the bloody box. When I fly my Cerb, I'm the one holding them down and them tanking me while I am out of range of his guns and usually damage is not an issue Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
yourdoingitwrong	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:20:00 - [21] Toooo Theeee Op: YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPAT!
Tatiana Wisla	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:24:00 - [22] Edited by: Tatiana Wisla on 10/01/2009 05:24:45 Originally by: Sgt Blade Edited by: Sgt Blade on 10/01/2009 05:18:44 Originally by: Tatiana Wisla If you don't win, then you do lose. The other HAC will just keep you there until he has enough buddies come to kill you. Since when is it that the Cerb pilot is always the one being held still and all you do is tank? Think outside of the bloody box. When I fly my Cerb, I'm the one holding them down and them tanking me while I am out of range of his guns and usually damage is not an issue Since you ruin a cerbs tank if you're setup for tackling...nor is it fast enough to actually catch anything.
Xiao Endo Caldari Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:30:00 - [23] I'm not that knowledgeable about the benefits and drawbacks of various race's ships, so I'm not going to pretend that I know anything about that. However, assuming that the OPs complaint is true, then I think that's a good thing. More players go for Caldari ships than any other, so encouraging a bit of diversity by nerfing the most popular race is definitely wise and can only benefit the game as a whole.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Xiao Endo I'm not that knowledgeable about the benefits and drawbacks of various race's ships, so I'm not going to pretend that I know anything about that. However, assuming that the OPs complaint is true, then I think that's a good thing. More players go for Caldari ships than any other, so encouraging a bit of diversity by nerfing the most popular race is definitely wise and can only benefit the game as a whole. Meh. Nerfing half the ships from a race to get people to cross train probably isn't the wisest idea, and I'm sure that's not what CCP was doing with the missile nerf. Missiles did need to be changed in conjunction with the changes to ship speed but apparently it was just too much. Me personally I haven't noticed any problems and I fly several missile ships for PvE and PvP, they just aren't missile battleships which got hit the hardest by the changes. Missiles are still the easiest thing to use in PvE and Caldari mission boats are probably still the most popular.
Tatiana Wisla	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Xiao Endo I'm not that knowledgeable about the benefits and drawbacks of various race's ships, so I'm not going to pretend that I know anything about that. However, assuming that the OPs complaint is true, then I think that's a good thing. More players go for Caldari ships than any other, so encouraging a bit of diversity by nerfing the most popular race is definitely wise and can only benefit the game as a whole. That's a pretty crappy reason to ruin years worth of skill training. And you claim it to be the "most popular race". Yes, it's the most popular race for carebearing, maybe...but that's about it.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Tatiana Wisla Yes, it's the most popular race for carebearing, maybe...but that's about it. And EWar, fleet sniping, and POS repping.
Sgt Blade Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.01.10 05:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Tatiana Wisla Since you ruin a cerbs tank if you're setup for tackling...nor is it fast enough to actually catch anything. Properly fitted, it is plenty fast, has a point so it can hold on to cruisers and up pretty well with enough of a tank to last you the fight(your speed also helps it to not take that much damage as well). what more do you want? a Doomsday Device?
MSC Darklord	Posted - 2009.01.10 07:40:00 - [28] What? Caldari not overpowered like they were for 3 years? Oh noes!
Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2009.01.10 07:50:00 - [29] Good lord. I disliked Caldari fleet roles/ships too. But rather than posting Yet Another Whinging *****fest on the forums, I crosstrained. It's that simple. Train. Something. Else. Expand your options. No-one is forcing you to use missile boats.
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2009.01.10 08:00:00 - [30] Heavy missiles are fracking awesome now. They hit every target wherever it might be. Rockets and standard missiles are great too. Next time you whine point out an exact missile type rather than the usual "missiles sux".

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