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Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.11 23:27:00 - [1] A quote from a post taken from IRC blah blah blah blah... Quote: (15:58:59) (+Maarud) when is the T3 stuff gonna be around for testing? (15:59:18) (&Oneiromancer) Not earlier than mid-February (15:59:31) (&Oneiromancer) Art is hard at work on the models Isn't that cutting it a bit close? I speculated a long time ago that 'surely they have all the art done for all the assets' if they're going to hit their M10 deadline. If the above quote is true, those art guys must be freaking out right about now pulling 80-100 hour weeks if it's still not done at this point and they're the ones that CCP is waiting on before they release the patch to SISI... Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2009.01.11 23:31:00 - [2] Originally by: Bellum Eternus those art guys must be freaking out right about now pulling 80-100 hour weeks if it's still not done at this point Thought that was software industry standard, tbh. As long as we don't geta repeat of boot.ini om nom nom, Im fine: Never log into Sisi anyway.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.01.11 23:33:00 - [3] 80 hr work weeks used to make me sick, and it was the kind of work that could get you killed if your not paying attention either. Pre Order your Sisters of Eve ship today
Zaknussem Caldari Intrum Industria	Posted - 2009.01.11 23:54:00 - [4] I think mid-February is actually kinda optimistic. I'm not expecting to see Apocrypha on SiSi until March.
keepiru Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.12 00:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Zaknussem I think mid-February is actually kinda optimistic. I'm not expecting to see Apocrypha on SiSi until March. With the track record being what it is, probably this. Massive gameplay additions/changes + nowhere near enough time to test them == recipe for win, apparently.
Xailia Unsteady Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.12 01:21:00 - [6] I imagine they already have the shelf commitment for the boxed version though, so something will come out March 10.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.12 01:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Xailia I imagine they already have the shelf commitment for the boxed version though, so something will come out March 10. I'm not saying it won't. I'm just shocked that they don't oh, I don't know, don't even have the art done by now for a release that is due in less than eight weeks.
Xailia Unsteady Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.12 01:30:00 - [8] It's not that surprising considering they are using Scrum software development.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.12 02:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Xailia It's not that surprising considering they are using Scrum software development. How so? Cutting it this close doesn't really leave a lot of room for mistakes. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Vricrolatious Caldari Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.12 03:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Xailia It's not that surprising considering they are using Scrum software development. How so? Cutting it this close doesn't really leave a lot of room for mistakes. Sure it does. You put a box on the shelf and have a patch waiting to download that day. The CDs / DVDs are probably already being stamped and packaged. If not, they will be soon. The client on that disc will not be the client that gets downloaded on the 10th of March, but it will be very close and a small patch to bring it up to date will be waiting for anyone that buys the box. That's usually the process for a boxed launch like that, well, roughly.
Elaron Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.01.12 03:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Bellum Eternus How so? Cutting it this close doesn't really leave a lot of room for mistakes. Your point? :P
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.12 03:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Vricrolatious Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Xailia It's not that surprising considering they are using Scrum software development. How so? Cutting it this close doesn't really leave a lot of room for mistakes. Sure it does. You put a box on the shelf and have a patch waiting to download that day. The CDs / DVDs are probably already being stamped and packaged. If not, they will be soon. The client on that disc will not be the client that gets downloaded on the 10th of March, but it will be very close and a small patch to bring it up to date will be waiting for anyone that buys the box. That's usually the process for a boxed launch like that, well, roughly. I'm not talking about the retail pressing of the game. I'm talking about being able to deliver it at all on M10. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.12 03:53:00 - [13] I think it is cute that people think this expansion will be out on time. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
chatgris	Posted - 2009.01.12 04:33:00 - [14] If it's just the art that is taking time, that is great! The game code is where the bugs would reside. They have/are testing with ****ty models probably already. Even if the art isn't 100% up to where they would like it, it can still be released in a reasonable fashion and upgraded easily without changing gameplay. Also, art would be left to last until they are sure how many ship pieces there will be, where the ship pieces will connect etc. And that can be influenced by balancing etc. Art is last, and it makes sense to do so. I think that mid feb is plenty of time, they can always dump the models in at the last minute without recompilation of the code and a very quick test to see that they actually load.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.12 05:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Vaal Erit I think it is cute that people think this expansion will be out on time. I can't really remember the last time an expansion wasn't on schedule. That's not to say that certain features from expansions have always been on schedule, but the expansions themselves have stuck to schedule for quite a while now. And this time, CCP doesn't really have a choice. The retail re-release of EVE will have the new expansion on its DVD. CCP has to have the new expansion ready before the re-release ships, and the re-release is coming sometime this March.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.01.12 07:41:00 - [16] IRC is where all the cool dudes gets their dev buddies talkin' about upcoming stuff so they can manipulate market <3
Minud Distr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.12 07:44:00 - [17] My memory isn't what it used to be... Was CCP ever late at releasing extensions? I'm not talking about Sisi mind you, but the actual releases.
Sigma Epsilon	Posted - 2009.01.12 08:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Minud Distr My memory isn't what it used to be... Was CCP ever late at releasing extensions? I'm not talking about Sisi mind you, but the actual releases. The last few expansions have been on time or as near as damn it. However many items scheduled for deployment in a given release never seem to make it. I figfure this is what will happen in March. Eye candy aplenty will be released but not everything promised will be ready, it never is. For this release and the pre-marketing hype I will be more worried about how the server(s) hold up with the expected influx of 1000's of new players.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.12 08:09:00 - [19] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 12/01/2009 08:10:08 Yeah...no. Art guys don't do overtime in games. I should know, used to be one of 'em. This just means that the art department starts working the FULL time they're at the office
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.12 08:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 12/01/2009 08:10:08 Yeah...no. Art guys don't do overtime in games. I should know, used to be one of 'em. This just means that the art department starts working the FULL time they're at the office Just a little facetious there SJ?
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.12 08:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Just a little facetious there SJ? Just a tiny bit, best ones have a hint of fact My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.01.12 08:20:00 - [22] I wished I was one of those guys working for art. I got ways to go though. Pre Order your Sisters of Eve ship today
Ocih Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.12 08:23:00 - [23] Test Server is good for propaganda Fraps. I suppose if they catch me on, I will go blow up some junk to help them out but for me, it's a Propaganda studio.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.01.12 08:38:00 - [24] Originally by: Nova Fox I wished I was one of those guys working for art. I got ways to go though. I'll see you there mate
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.12 09:28:00 - [25] It's not so fatal if the textures are a bit bonkers, but if the modules don't work as they should :) Las time I checked the texture didn't so squat to statistics :) Also remember that there is no way the graphical designers work on code. That would be like...chaos :D
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.12 09:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer It's not so fatal if the textures are a bit bonkers, but if the modules don't work as they should :) Las time I checked the texture didn't so squat to statistics :) Also remember that there is no way the graphical designers work on code. That would be like...chaos :D Actually i believe it's the game designers(or designers in general) who change the values on the items. Looks=graphics. Work at all=code. Work as intended=design. If they have coders balancing items, well, that's rather molyneux of them
Louis DelaBlanche Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.01.12 09:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer It's not so fatal if the textures are a bit bonkers, but if the modules don't work as they should :) Las time I checked the texture didn't so squat to statistics :) Also remember that there is no way the graphical designers work on code. That would be like...chaos :D Actually i believe it's the game designers(or designers in general) who change the values on the items. Looks=graphics. Work at all=code. Work as intended=design. If they have coders balancing items, well, that's rather molyneux of them Well they seem to have studied at his school for overhyping content. Anticipating T3 to be EVEs That Dog & the new map the bread crumb trail.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.12 09:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche Well they seem to have studied at his school for overhyping content. Anticipating T3 to be EVEs That Dog & the new map the bread crumb trail. Actually if ambulation hits this year, EVE will become the "biggest expansion ever in one year" MMO out there. "4000" "new" ships, and from one genre(spaceflight) to another(walking) is quite a feat and as such, should be used in PR. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Mister Flibble eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.12 10:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Looks=graphics. Work at all=code. Work as intended=design. Changing definition of "intended" at last minute=design. Reimplementing it all=code. Fixed that for ya
Xailia Unsteady Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.12 10:05:00 - [30] making it all work=hampsters
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.01.12 10:15:00 - [31] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Nova Fox I wished I was one of those guys working for art. I got ways to go though. I'll see you there mate There you are, been a while since I seen you last, sorry about changing the entire design on the pixie on you the new version is findable in my gallery.
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2009.01.12 10:16:00 - [32] Nothing wrong with overworking ,art guys should be fired if they complain .Remember overvorked hamsters we are losing everyday for eve . Originally by: Bellum Eternus If the above quote is true, those art guys must be freaking out right about now pulling 80-100 hour weeks i
Zaknussem Caldari Intrum Industria	Posted - 2009.01.12 13:25:00 - [33] Since no-one has mentioned these things here... March 10th is named as when the expansion arrives. Whether that means the patch will be deployed on that exact date has not been said. Assuming that March 10th is used for deployment, it's safe to say that Apocrypha won't go live until March 11th. Why is this relevant? Because retail copies are out on March 12th, not March 10th. That gives CCP about 24 hours (possibly as many as 48) to find the critical post-deployment bugs and have them fixed before the purchasers of retail copies log in to try the game...assuming nothing else goes wrong. (On a small sidenote, it would be great from a PR point of view if the retail package contained a small note somewhere informing the purchaser when exactly Downtime occurs. People totally new to the game will be completely unaware of this fact and may not react kindly to their first play experience being ruined by DT, even though it's (normally) just 1 hour.) Which reminds me...an older player can propably answer this question for me: Has CCP ever announced an expansion 4 months in advance and given an exact date? Could be important in regards to the discussion here.
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.01.12 14:02:00 - [34] When was the last time CCP missed a ship date by more than a few hours? It's been a while. I think they have some idea what they are doing. Far more interesting: If you rearrange the letters in 'Bellum Eternus', you can spell 'Men Rue Bullets'. Which is nice. You can also spell 'Rebel Mule Nuts'. I think I'll call my next ship that.
EvilSpork Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.01.12 22:34:00 - [35] boo.. i would much prefer to get to play with the new T3 stuff with crappy/incorrect/filler models. hell, even no textures.. as long as they still work properly i dont care how they look for testing.
Blastil	Posted - 2009.01.12 23:59:00 - [36] Originally by: Xailia I imagine they already have the shelf commitment for the boxed version though, so something will come out March 10. Why is the assumption that this mechanic hasn't been in development until after fanfest 2008 showed it? This game mechanic has LIKELY been in development since spring of LAST QUARTER, if not when trinity began development. A month of beta play for a change like this is probably more for bugs than balance. Will the T3 ships be pwnmoblies? maybe. They'll certainly cost something on the order of 500 mil to buy one AT LEAST (100mil for each part.) and they won't even be in the game until mid month April at the best given invention times, the times it will take to acquire new resources, and the time you have to assemble all the parts. At best your looking to see them in general circulation some time before ambulation. By then there will likely be a patch out to balance the things. I really don't feel like CCP is rushingit.
insidion Caldari Last of the Technocracy	Posted - 2009.01.13 00:44:00 - [37] Believe it when you see it, and not before. Until then the cake is a lie, and so is M10. For now. =)
Acrel Amarr makaveli Inc	Posted - 2009.01.13 00:56:00 - [38] March 10th is a Tuesday, CCP has already stated that almost all expansions and patches are released on a Tuesday.
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.01.13 01:13:00 - [39] im not sure wat I have to say about this. 1. Ok it was pushed forward a bit... march is unusual. but they kind of didnt do anything in QR. 14 features in QR 2 werent anything 6 are useless; yet so far. 4 were fixes; not features. 2 were actually good. Kind of the definition of a booster pack. 2. I was reading dev posts... and a dev(not anyone particularly bignamed) said that we could expect tech 3 in mid to late january. That's reasonable i think. Given still that it is pushed forward; with "holidays" being over. but damn... mid to late february... possibly even march? Whole thing could be completely broken... scratch that... it's going to be completely broken. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Acrel Amarr makaveli Inc	Posted - 2009.01.13 01:18:00 - [40] I have never considered EvEs expansions as true expansions only either booster or big patches. They are usually adding a couple things, balancing issues, and a buttload of bug fixes. Though iam not complaining there free so eh.

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