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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:20:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:which is why if i ever mined it would be in a covetor.
Do it in a Kestrel
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
139
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:11:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.
You Sir are a brilliant internet spaceships man!
Don't violence me bro! |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.04.17 03:08:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.
Let's see:
Assuming you mine 5mil/hour with a Hulk and that the Hulk costed you 260mil, it will take 52 hours to recuperate the ISK spent.
Assuming one only spends 2 hours on average per day, assuming you have a life, it will take 26 days or less than one month to complete the 52 hours of mining at 5mil/hr.
One month doesn't sound so bad.
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1120
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Posted - 2012.04.17 03:13:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you. Let's see: Assuming you mine 5mil/hour with a Hulk and that the Hulk costed you 260mil, it will take 52 hours to recuperate the ISK spent. Assuming one only spends 2 hours on average per day, assuming you have a life, it will take 26 days or less than one month to complete the 52 hours of mining at 5mil/hr. One month doesn't sound so bad.
Fit tornado, scan haulers at gate, target, shoot and make a few billions per hour instead. Stop being lazy, stop mining 
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
673
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Posted - 2012.04.17 03:13:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Aqriue wrote:50 hours to replace a hulk, 5 minutes to replace a destroyer and the only thing that makes it longer is the 15 minute GCC window (you cannot dock, reship, and then undock expecting to warp off - ANY ship you jump into during GCC cannot warp and gets station gunned to death). so yeah, good reason that the hulk could use a buff since its more investment to replace then a destroyer but blows up even fast then it takes to replace a destroyer. lol fit tanking mods to your hulk next time dumbass Or mine aligned. Problems solved. Zero percent chance of aligning saving you if I am the one ganking. Just saying.
I would be gone before you finished coming out of warp.
I've been chased plenty of times by some determined gankers. You're no different. Except you look better. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
673
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Posted - 2012.04.17 03:17:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Aqriue wrote:50 hours to replace a hulk, 5 minutes to replace a destroyer and the only thing that makes it longer is the 15 minute GCC window (you cannot dock, reship, and then undock expecting to warp off - ANY ship you jump into during GCC cannot warp and gets station gunned to death). so yeah, good reason that the hulk could use a buff since its more investment to replace then a destroyer but blows up even fast then it takes to replace a destroyer. lol fit tanking mods to your hulk next time dumbass Or mine aligned. Problems solved. Passive alignment doesn't do anything except show your enemy where you want to warp off to. From 0 velocity you will warp in any direction at the same speed. If you meant active alignment, then consider that most miners will not even stop being afk nevermind constantly change flight directions around an asteroid. c: Pet Peeeeve about passive alignment, too many FCs telling people to passive align to something makes you :c inside.
For the record, when I say aligned, I mean moving because that is what aligning is (in EVE).
And yes, the whole passive align thought that goes around annoys me greatly... as much as miners whining when they lost their ship because they were afk. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
472
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Posted - 2012.04.17 03:26:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Aqriue wrote:50 hours to replace a hulk, 5 minutes to replace a destroyer and the only thing that makes it longer is the 15 minute GCC window (you cannot dock, reship, and then undock expecting to warp off - ANY ship you jump into during GCC cannot warp and gets station gunned to death). so yeah, good reason that the hulk could use a buff since its more investment to replace then a destroyer but blows up even fast then it takes to replace a destroyer. lol fit tanking mods to your hulk next time dumbass Or mine aligned. Problems solved. Zero percent chance of aligning saving you if I am the one ganking. Just saying. I would be gone before you finished coming out of warp. I've been chased plenty of times by some determined gankers. You're no different. Except you look better.
Not with my "neutral alt" SB bumping you you wont.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Kestrix
UV Heavy Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:28:00 -
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For myself I'd estimate about 10 hours to mine the minerals to raise enough ISK to buy a new Hulk.
Quote:Or mine aligned. Problems solved.
Hulks are quite slow even when aligned, try warping out after the gankers land ontop of you in a belt, I bet they can lock you and press F1 before you enter warp.
Quote:fit tanking mods to your hulk
This, I have yet to lose a Hulk to gankers. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:34:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you. Let's see: Assuming you mine 5mil/hour with a Hulk and that the Hulk costed you 260mil, it will take 52 hours to recuperate the ISK spent. Assuming one only spends 2 hours on average per day, assuming you have a life, it will take 26 days or less than one month to complete the 52 hours of mining at 5mil/hr. One month doesn't sound so bad. Fit tornado, scan haulers at gate, target, shoot and make a few billions per hour instead. Stop being lazy, stop mining
Get off the gate camp and go to low-sec for REAL MEN's pvp. Stop being lazy, stop camping
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:36:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:For myself I'd estimate about 10 hours to mine the minerals to raise enough ISK to buy a new Hulk. Quote:Or mine aligned. Problems solved. Hulks are quite slow even when aligned, try warping out after the gankers land ontop of you in a belt, I bet they can lock you and press F1 before you enter warp. Quote:fit tanking mods to your hulk This, I have yet to lose a Hulk to gankers.
Thank you for the announcement. Now every ganker who read this will find you and put your claim to the test.
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Ch3244
Azule Dragoons
Sspectre
77
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:37:00 -
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if you don't wanna get ganked, fit a tank. stop assuming u can just afk mine 23/7 |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
668
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:40:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Zero percent chance of aligning saving you if I am the one ganking. Just saying.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15468128
indeed how could a hulk be fit to tank over 4100 damage
clearly this is a game balance problem and not an ID 10 T problem |
Kestrix
UV Heavy Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:55:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Kestrix wrote:For myself I'd estimate about 10 hours to mine the minerals to raise enough ISK to buy a new Hulk. Quote:Or mine aligned. Problems solved. Hulks are quite slow even when aligned, try warping out after the gankers land ontop of you in a belt, I bet they can lock you and press F1 before you enter warp. Quote:fit tanking mods to your hulk This, I have yet to lose a Hulk to gankers. Thank you for the announcement. Now every ganker who read this will find you and put your claim to the test.
It's ok I carry a spare hulk in my Orca anyway... I know I will lose one sooner or later.
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Dyniss
BloodLust Enterprises
Apocalypse Now.
15
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Posted - 2012.04.17 05:02:00 -
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Join a 0.0 corp then you don't need to worry about griefers plus mining ABC ore will pay for your hulk in a few hours |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
473
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Posted - 2012.04.17 06:32:00 -
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He wasn't aligned pick a different one.
You try to help people and all you get is harassed...
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
472
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Posted - 2012.04.17 06:42:00 -
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Not really a good comparision because the Hulk really is built for 0.0 mining which can pay it off much quicker. Where as the covetor is built more for high-sec/some low-sec mining and can't survive on its own in 0.0.
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
593
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Posted - 2012.04.17 08:29:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.
Yeah, it takes actual effort and risk to pay for the stuff in EVE.
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Joran Dravius
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.17 12:03:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.
Try mining high end ore in your high end mining ship. What you're doing is basically like complaining about how long it takes to pay for a marauder doing level 1 missions. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.04.17 12:16:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:Kestrix wrote:For myself I'd estimate about 10 hours to mine the minerals to raise enough ISK to buy a new Hulk. Quote:Or mine aligned. Problems solved. Hulks are quite slow even when aligned, try warping out after the gankers land ontop of you in a belt, I bet they can lock you and press F1 before you enter warp. Quote:fit tanking mods to your hulk This, I have yet to lose a Hulk to gankers. Thank you for the announcement. Now every ganker who read this will find you and put your claim to the test. It's ok I carry a spare hulk in my Orca anyway... I know I will lose one sooner or later.
Thank you for telling everyone what you have in your Orca. Now they will know what you lost if they decide to go for your uber hauler.
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
675
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Posted - 2012.04.17 12:32:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:Quote:Or mine aligned. Problems solved. Hulks are quite slow even when aligned, try warping out after the gankers land ontop of you in a belt, I bet they can lock you and press F1 before you enter warp. .
If aligned (which in EVE means moving towards something) you warp the instant (give about a second for server tick) you click "warp". So no, I will be in warp before they finish dropping out. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.04.17 12:48:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Kestrix wrote:Quote:Or mine aligned. Problems solved. Hulks are quite slow even when aligned, try warping out after the gankers land ontop of you in a belt, I bet they can lock you and press F1 before you enter warp. . If aligned (which in EVE means moving towards something) you warp the instant (give about a second for server tick) you click "warp". So no, I will be in warp before they finish dropping out.
Agreed. Even insta-lock frigates take time to lock because they have to finish warp as they land. It's about a 2-3 second window of opportunity for the miner to get away. Of course, this requires *gasp* attention *gasp again* on the part of the miner.
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Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
1
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Posted - 2012.04.17 13:10:00 -
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Try undestand this point... Covetor vs hulk is like active drake with 5 missile laucher vs passive drake with 6 missile launcher... Also hulk as t2 ship is underpowered. |
EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.17 13:21:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Not really a good comparision because the Hulk really is built for 0.0 mining which can pay it off much quicker. Where as the covetor is built more for high-sec/some low-sec mining and can't survive on its own in 0.0.
covetor cant survive on its own either.
nothing can. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
832
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Posted - 2012.04.17 13:26:00 -
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It doesn't take 50+ hours for a hulk to pay for itself, because you (hopefully) still have the hulk when you get bored with mining and can sell it.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Francisco Bizzaro
22
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Posted - 2012.04.17 13:35:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.
Plus, the chance that you will be targeted is much higher in a hulk than in a covetor. This further increases the expectation value (cost times probability of incurring the cost) of the cost of a hulk beyond the straight dollar-for-dollar comparison.
Since hi-sec hulks are very common, we can only assume that the average hulk lasts much much longer than 50 hours, in which case it seems like suicide ganking isn't as much of a problem as some make out. |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
280
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Posted - 2012.04.17 13:36:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.
everybody knows that people buy GTC's to sell for isk so they can pimp their mining rides. Noone cares about profit :P
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Subdolus Venator
State War Academy
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.04.17 14:40:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Subdolus Venator wrote:What's with all the Covertor luv / Hulk hate..?
And really, WHY do people keep bringing this up? WHO CARES?!
Mostly, no one cares.
Go away. Clearly everyone who replies cares deeply, or they would not reply. At this point, I only care because I'm tired of this mini-meme. 'Tis a waste of perfectly good electrons.
EVE is EVE - Feaces will eventuate. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
474
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Posted - 2012.04.17 15:06:00 -
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Joran Dravius wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you. Try mining high end ore in your high end mining ship. What you're doing is basically like complaining about how long it takes to pay for a marauder doing level 1 missions.
If you think I am complaining you have zero reading comprehension.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1524
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Posted - 2012.04.17 15:38:00 -
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What I think is that you really, really don't want people to fly more Covetors. 
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Dark Matter Coalition
1017
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Posted - 2012.04.17 16:49:00 -
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Based on dodixie mineral prices you can make almost 20 mill an hour on mining pyroxeres (these numbers are a couple days old though)
Hulk is a little more then 300 mill atm
It takes a bit more then 15 hours of pyro to make a hulk back. OP fails
Oh and also these numbers are using T1 ships with exhummer 3, T2 strips with crystals and exhummer 4 or 5 does even better.
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